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8 minutes ago, HKSR said:

The counterargument would be that Garland already possesses immense chemistry with Joshua and Blueger.  If a quick and strong start is what we are looking for, it's not to acquire too many new guys so that the team is having to build chemistry before being a strong team unit.  My guess is Garland/Blueger/Joshua will be strong right out of the gate, and I think Suter will stay with Miller and Boeser to start for the same reason.  Eventually I could see Heinen or another making their way onto Miller's wing to have Suter back in a strong 4C role.

 

If we move Garland, we now have:

 

New Top 6 - Petey - New Top 6

New Top 6 - Miller - Boeser

New Middle 6 - Blueger - Joshua

New Bottom 6 - Suter - New Bottom 6

 

That would be all the lines, and half the forward group with new players.  Not the best way to be strong out of the gate. 

Keeping Garland and Suter where they are would ensure that 2 of the lines with strong chemistry are together to start the season.

i cant imagine moving Garland. Would be a wildly unnecessary risk. There are better places to free up salary if we end up needing to do so

2 hours ago, Jester13 said:

Okay, peeps, please stop derailing this thread with childish arguments and tiresome Benning bashing. Some of us actually want to discuss the thread topic. Ty.

my dad could beat up your dad

On 7/20/2024 at 9:07 PM, Optimist Prime said:

I am with you there, even if it doesn't come from defence: i have been pushing for 6 years now to get my paper on Guaranteed Living Income for Seniors in Poverty past the convention floor and into Government order papers for voting as a bill.

 

Last two times I got to the convention floor and first time was combined with another paper and then defeated, last time it was voted in by the delegates but not yet proferred as a party platform plank in an election: but i suspect 2025 it may be there.

 

In Canada at least, only 3.5 billion more will erase Senior Citizen poverty, yet every voter/taxpayer who doesn't have to resort to cat food casaroles to stretch their pension income will say its too expensive and they don't want to pay for it. (yes i did meet an old lady who did exactly that cuz a tin of Cat tuna was 40 cents versus 4 dollars for human grade)

 

 

This is great work youre doing. 

1 minute ago, flickyoursedin said:

While we’re at it OEL is the greatest Canucks dman ever. Only player paid by the Canucks to win the Stanley Cup!

some would argue that we technically won the stanley cup that day

OEL brought the cup home for us

Still cant believe we got Sprong for sub 1 million lmao

next task is to move out the poolman contract and accumulate a fk ton of cap space by the deadline

we could STILL add an elite piece if we go down that road

just unbelievable work by Allvin and the chipmunks

1 minute ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I think he came here on a show me deal because he must like what the brass and Tocchet are making here. 

he knows theres a top6 spot available. if he can earn that spot, pot 25 goals, he'll be in for 3.5-4m/year next year

good way to bet on himself, still young enough to make plenty of money if he can show off his abilities

6 hours ago, D.B Cooper said:

Word on the street is the dude was an asshole and deserved all he got.  
Race car driver might as well be a horse jockey.  
He shouldn’t have beaked off a 200lbs man balding early in his 20s. 
Hahahaha

Big testosterone fueled athlete vs little fella with a big mouth.  
Be the bigger man by shutting up and going away. 

Looks like we found our new zadorov

Big S

38 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

I mean as a depth piece not top 4 

think we're pretty set for depth, i wanna see them accumulate cap space and go after big fish at the deadline

10 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Fair enough & thanks for the reply. Its a very reasonable answer.

 

But while Iran and Turkey are backing Hezbollah / Hamas. While its the same network, source of training, information, funding. Same allied militants and countries trying to seize more power.  They need to be discussed as common subject matter. Here and everywhere else. As mentioned above; there is a common thread to almost all ME & even surrounding conflicts.  Its not Israel as much as the backlash is disproportionate.

 

 

Not to leave minorities overridden, almost slaves to militant groups who do not represent them.  I am arguing Turkey, Israel and other countries need to treat minorities, even ones neighboring countries, as co-habitants. 

 

Islamic fanaticism. The quest for power by militants and countries remains the bigger problem in the region, IMO.  Turkey ticks both of those boxes.   

 

 

10 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Fair enough & thanks for the reply. Its a very reasonable answer.

 

But while Iran and Turkey are backing Hezbollah / Hamas. While its the same network, source of training, information, funding. Same allied militants and countries trying to seize more power.  They need to be discussed as common subject matter. Here and everywhere else. As mentioned above; there is a common thread to almost all ME & even surrounding conflicts.  Its not Israel as much as the backlash is disproportionate.

 

 

Not to leave minorities overridden, almost slaves to militant groups who do not represent them.  I am arguing Turkey, Israel and other countries need to treat minorities, even ones neighboring countries, as co-habitants. 

 

Islamic fanaticism. The quest for power by militants and countries remains the bigger problem in the region, IMO.  Turkey ticks both of those boxes.   

 

 

I had a great poli sci professor in university that opened my eyes to how the availability of extractable resources plays a huge role in the type of government and non-government organizations that pop up, and how they use their power.

basically the thesis was - when an ultra concentrated resource exists, you get militaristic organizations and warlordism. they get their power from their ability to extract and defend their resource (see Saudi government, warlords in Congo, taliban with opium as examples)

when theres no such resource, or if resources are more dispersed, you get organizations that incentivize submission and collaboration - running protection rackets while filling public service gaps, like the Medellin cartel, and Hamas for most of its history. They rely on popularity among their subjects to survive

we're way more easily fooled by the second type of organization. Propaganda that gets right to the heart of the grievance felt by young people is key to these organizations survival, because they usually need volunteers, they cant easily force an entire population to do their bidding. Ultimately the goal of these organizations is what it is for all organizations, to survive, and theyll quickly adapt from tactic to tactic to ensure that survival (FARC for a long time provided "alternative government services" to people ignored by the columbian government, and when their resources and recruits ran dry, pivoted to kidnapping and extreme violence to raise funds). 

the reason the propaganda is so powerful is because aside from drawing on things people are already feeling, it will often be rooted in a real grievance. The Looming Tower gave a fascinating description of Osama Bin Laden's childhood. His family was absurdly wealthy, western educated, etc. It recounts some of the earliest moments of his radicalization, one of which was one of his relatives (aunt i think?) saw him sobbing in front of the tv in his teens watching a news report about Palestine/Israel. 

grievances if left untreated are like wounds, they fester and become infected and can become the basis for an entire ugly evil violent machine. then once theyve been successfully exploited and you have evil with power, they refuse to let it go. 

and it doesnt help that every country in the world is simply acting in its own self interest. these organizations make themselves useful to governments and other non state actors in order to get funding. the saudi royal family embraces radical wahabism as an ideology, they have appointed one of the most backward, horrible grand muftis, whose radical and evil ideology is pushed all through saudi arabias mosques and schools. its well known that saudi arabia is the origin for many of the terrorist attacks that have been conducted on western soil. the fact that we not only do business with these people but actively protect them and keep them in power with weapons deals, etc. is insane, and until western foreign policy is conducted on the basis of righteousness rather than pure political realism, we have no chance of getting rid of this scourge. 

7 minutes ago, The King of Kings said:

 

I didnt like the fact that the Canucks ate up that 4M caphit.

 

It doesnt mean I dont like Hronek the player.  Of course he's important to the team.

 

i think detroit was just very much in the drivers seat

they knew they had a rare commodity

it was a take it or leave it deal

if we left it, its pretty unlikely we'd get a top-pair RD in his age bracket anywhere else

Edit: sorry i see you were refering to the islanders deal

38 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

And they moved him. So who cares? It had no effect on the season. 

 

Hronek is a legitimate top pair rhd.

exactly this

+ imagine if hughes misses games. Who are people expecting to fill in on pp1 if not hronek?

1 hour ago, boziffous said:

Toews has proven to be effective with or without Makar.

 

 

Hronek being effective away from Hughes is up for debate.

 

 

Surprising that Hughes had even better fancy stats away from Hronek this past season.

Drawing any kind of conclusion over 300 minutes of playing time is insane. 

If you need proof Hronek is effective without hughes, we have 4 full seasons worth of proof that hes a 0.5 ppg defenseman, and he didnt have quinn hughes for any of those. 

20 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

In our lifetime; nearly 5000 Kurds were killed in a day with gas attacks in Iraq. Outright genocide.  

 

That the PKK is less brutal than, say, Hamas, is no reason to be selectively less outraged.

 

Hamas, Hezbollah, PKK and other Kurdish groups, Turkey, as well as the US, Russia were all direct and indirect combatants in Syria's civil war. As well as ISIS, Iran and other groups with ideology contributing to why Hamas is directly supported.  Which killed almost ten times as many civilians as has occurred in the current Gaza conflict. This is conservative as some estimates are as high as 600,000 with 1/2 Syrian residents permanently displaced. This occurred in the last ten years & the obliteration of Aleppo ended up, although it took longer on a similar scale to Gaza.

 

 

 

On 28 June 2022, the United Nations Human Rights Office (OHCHR) stated that at least 306,887 civilians had been killed in Syria during the conflict between March 2011 and March 2021, representing about 1.5% of its pre-war population. This figure did not include indirect and non-civilian deaths.

 

This is all part of the same regional conflict by the same combatants. The same militant groups trained in the same ideological control of populations, just 100 or 200 kilometers away from the West bank & Beirut! Which is also in a state of not completely passive civil war. Lebanon in a state of serial political breakdown after being a healthy functioning society as recently as the 70's and early 80's. Where factions of Hamas & Hezbollah were both trained for & participated. Where their leaders soaked in hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars in weapon sales, tax free black markets including the trade routes and suppliers now used in Gaza. People smuggling, drug sales, provision of mercenaries, even sex slaves. All which contributed to the ethnic cleansing for militant smaller groups to ascend to their current positions of power. All which help fund and supply the current conflict militant groups.    

 

Whom now want their 'justified' claim to Palestinian soil. These are not elected democratic officials running legitimized administrations and peaceful civilian life.

 

My opinion is you are absolutely delusional as to the contributions of such sources to the conflict. Its all the same conflict recycling.

 

 

 

The answer to one of your points is these groups started first infiltrating then taking over education and propaganda machines.  Hamas in the 1980's. The Muslim Brotherhood in the 30's and forties nearly 100 years ago. Then exporting their message overseas including in America, Europe, SE Asia. Each starting as aid and education, in the name of their religious beliefs. Then morphing to militant and where possible political control. All with the same tactics, message. Bin Laden, the leaders of Hamas, started as members of the Muslim Brotherhood. 

 

A second; Turkey is doing, more or less what Israel under Netanyahu & his coalition was doing. Using the malaise of terrorist activity and civil upheaval to sneak in stealing land & disposing of rivals. Letting them stir endlessly without legitimate governments just extends the opportunity, sell to their public they are just fending off militants.

 

Both are the same fucking thing waiting for an Oct 7 moment. 

 

The solutions are to help groups like Palestinians & Kurds, not leave them to be overridden by militant groups. Or wiped out.

I think youre misunderstanding me. Im not arguing that the Palestinian conflict is more worthy than the others you've mentioned. I agree with you that our outrage SHOULD be proportional. I think its completely fucking bonkers that the entire world gave more media attention, thoughts and prayers, and monetary resources to the lives of 5 billionaires on a submarine than the conflicts you mentioned + all of the other horrible human tragedies unfolding this moment. 

Im telling you that people dont show up for the Kurds and they dont show up for the Syrians like they did for the Iraqis and for the Palestinians because of how the nature of these conflicts can create, or not create, visceral reactions in people. theres a specific concoction of factors that creates outrage, and its NEVER been fair or proportional. Thats not new. Thats old. Mao killed between 40-80 million civilians. Hitler killed somewhere between 12-16 million. Yet what Hitler did creates a FAR more visceral reaction in most (i know it does in me). Is that racism against chinese people? Well no its not. Its a combination of: the truly grotesque ideology of Hitler and the Nazis, its his speeches and the way he talked about people he was exterminating, and probably MOST importantly its because in the here and now the antisemitism that fueled hitler exists and is everywhere we turn. 

So why is Palestine/Israel evoking more outrage and protest than the other conflicts? Again, im telling you its not because people hate the Jews. Its because of the unique concoction of conflict dynamics that i referenced in my last post - the immediacy of the catalyst AND the personal connection to the conflict AND the fact that there is a bitter bipolar-ness to this one, where ordinary people can find themselves in both camps. Go talk to 500 random people in Vancouver, probably 50% see themselves as pro israel, the other 50% see themselves as pro palestinian. If you applied that to syria, or turkey - how many here in the west would see themselves as "pro assad"? or "pro erdogan"? Guessing almost none. neither of those conflicts creates chaos at christmas dinner. Know what does/did? Palestine/Israel. Gay Rights. Gun control. The Iraq War. the vietnam war. 

8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Its related because its being ignored.  Which has a consequence, or consequences. It also has a root in this specific problem which makes it highly relevant.

 

Its speaks to the media, notably social media hype regarding extra importance to a solution for Palestinians. Specifically that the media storm has propagation by players with a stake in the conflict. Are happy that other conflicts take center stage.

 

Turkey is only one example; also happens to have ruled 'Palestine' for 550 or more of the last 700 odd years. Is happy to squish a Jewish play which has been gaining power over the last 80 years. While it is attempting to re-establish its own power base. Has in fact been committing the same crimes against Kurds on a much more systematic basis. Has displaced more Kurds since 2000 than the entire population of the West Bank & Gaza. There are Kurdish refugees from Iran also, Armenia. Who are expelled or leaving, but here not allowed to re-settle in other locations, parts of the historic Kurdistan. Now currently including Turkey bombing residential villages. 

 

The lack of media attention?  If 'they' can operate with anonymity? Operations have higher success. So mentioning alongside a similar conflict is important.  

 

More so, these acts in Islamic countries of expelling & subjugating minorities is endemic & highly related the overall reach for power. Countries like Turkey, Iran stay in power by getting rid of opposition. Just like smaller militant groups, Hamas, ISIS, Houthi, etc..

 

A consequence to this is Jews, Kurds, Palestinians, others, consolidate. Or become victim?

 

These are actually common tactics of Middle East power struggles. 

 

I think your premise though needs to be challenged here

The underlying premise is this conflict gets more attention because the media prioritizes the Palestinians over other conflicts, some of which include far worse crimes being committed which comes from an inherent double standard people (maybe they hate Jews or something). 

If that were true, this media storm wouldn't have hit us for the first time on October 7. Western media has not prioritized Palestinians whatsoever over the past 2 decades. For many in the west, October 7 was the first exposure they had to a 100 year long conflict. 

theres a lot of reasons why some conflicts and movements get more attention than others, i think immediacy/recency + relatability of one of the involved parties + being personally involved e.g. your government being complicit in the injustice + situation that is easy for the media to sensationlize + extremely bipolar conflicts

think about other conflicts and situations that sparked huge protests and media coverage in the west

- Iraq War (immediacy + people knew people who were being sent to fight + it was western governments committing that injustice)

- BLM (immediacy + deep relatability)

- Vietnam

- Gun control marches

- anti abortion marches

Probably the single biggest factor causing these protests to be so large while people speak very little about Turkey is how bipolar this one is, like the others on my list. With Israel/Palestine, you have two VERY emotionally charged sides as evidenced by this thread. Im willing to bet if you asked 100 random people if they support the Turkish government oppressing the Kurds, youd get near 100 all saying they dont. So why would people get riled up and protest? All their friends, families, etc. all agree, if they are even aware at all. 

Now all of that was true even before Oct 7. So why did these protests kick off then specifically? 

See my point about recency. People protest about specific things that are happening this minute. Things that happened a week ago are already old news. Want proof of that? Where are all the BLM protests right now? Nonexistent because theres no immediate catalyst, like there was when it all kicked off (murder of George Floyd). 

My guess is people would protest for Kurdish rights with the same intensity as the Palestine protests if all of the following were true:

1. They were involved in it (e.g. their government was giving weapons to Turkey specifically to fight against the PKK)

2. A significant catalyst happened right now (The PKK launched a huge attack on Turkey with 1000+ casualties, or vice versa)

3. There was bitter disagreement in peoples classrooms, communities, and homes (half of people support the turkish government, half support the Kurds)

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

They can still do it without a trade with Kylington as a UFA 

I dont think Kylington would be considered a top4 defenseman on a decent team

Good third pair guy, though i do like him

best case scenario we move out the poolguy contract, do nothing else, and get to like 10m accumulated cap space by the deadline

then push chips in and add a top-4 defenseman and an elite winger for the playoffs

I tnink some of our ahl guys knocking on the door are probably better and more useful than yamamoto

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

Natural Stat Trick tracks all of this kind of info with their line tool.

 

this is pretty interesting

with conor mcdavid, dominates

without, 7 goals for, 7 goals against

1 hour ago, Fan Abroad said:

What is the possibility that he slots in next to Hughes and Hronek gets his own line with Soucy?

I think theres a pretty decent chance thats exactly what management had in mind

Thinking about hughes/hronek getting hemmed in their zone with no time or space..

One of the things desharnais already does well is breaking the cycle and puck retrieving in his own end, i expect the plan is for him to get the puck back, and distribute it to hughes for the breakout

they obviously expect to be able to coach him on his puck skills so he can keep up. He already showed he can handle high minutes each game, he did play some top-4 minutes in edmonton

im intrigued and cant wait to see it

edmonton has its eyes on the prize:

award for the smallest team in nhl history

1 minute ago, DrJockitch said:

I sincerely hope they hire Benning. 

Please god. i ask only for this.

1 hour ago, -dlc- said:

What's wrong with Silovs? I think he'll be just fine as a back up.

better backup than most teams have imo