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6 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

 

really happy to see tocchet put away the blender and is letting his lines build chemistry

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

 

Good.   They beat us so badly in the 80's we never got to play them in the post season.   Aside from 1986.   Our record is 2-7.    Fuck the Oilers and their stupid mall.    6-7.    And all that crying in central Alberta would be nice to see. 

 

Edit:  As for the Oiler apologists on this site, who cares if your "right"  ... go take a seat with them at this stage of the game.  Pick a side and STFU.   They don't have a Gretzky or Furh, or Coffey (ok on the bench, which is a little scary), just McHouse, DryDick and  a horse kicked RHD plus well a couple good players.     We stay out of the box not a problem.   And they are going to feel the pain tomorrow night.  

Remember too that if God loved the oilers or Edmonton fans he wouldnt have put them in Edmonton

we have this in the bag

7 minutes ago, PeteyBOI said:

i know im gonna catch heat for this post and i dont care, Oilers are better than the predators by a mile, this will be a very tough match up.

ask yourself how often do we win the pucks when its dumped in? this is why we HAD to have hughes and our D join the rushes vs nashville.

we are one of the slowest teams in the league... only garland and miller can attack with any resemblance of speed... i would say mikeyhev too but he is a enigma, whenever he touches the puck its guaranteed to hit the goalie right in the crest.

im pretty sure we lose in 6

Lindholm and Hoglander can both attack with speed too

we are definitely not one of the slowest teams in the league, nowhere close

yes the oilers will be a tough matchup but they are still a very very beatable team. they did great against bottom feeders but weren't dominant against playoff teams down their "best" stretch. They were 9-8 against playoff teams since January 1st, and worse than that before the new year. 

they had a very hard schedule early in the year, and a very easy schedule towards the end. sort of the opposite of our schedule. 

the x factor is going to be our goaltending. can silovs stand on his head until demko gets back? if so, id say we have a more than 50% chance of beating them

13 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

EP falls a lot. 

not on purpose. which is even more concerning though lol. 

30 minutes ago, CanuckMan said:

Oilers are a lot more than just Mcdavid and Draisatl.

The additions of Kane and Hyman along with RNH really rounded out their top 6. 
Along with additions like Henrique and Perry plus others and they have a solid forward group. Their forward group might even have an edge on our forward group.

 

Our defence is a lot better than theirs though. And hopefully better goal tending as well. 
 

It will not be easy, should be a pretty fair series.
 

Ceci, Desharnais, and Kulak wouldn't crack our lineup. Their D is garbage beyond comprehension. They got lucky with LA - LA was the perfect matchup for them.

Their D will melt when our forwards attack their zone with speed

2 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

Roman was born in Ukraine.

 

He, and rightfully so, like all of us, condemn Russia's annexation of Ukrainian land.

 

He is also Jewish.

Yet he sees no problem with Israel annexing Palestinian land.

 

The word for that attitude is hypocrisy.

well at least theres something that i can agree with him on - Putin deserves to hang for his crimes in Ukraine.

5 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

Yeah that's why I continually state, that it's a circle of hatred that both sides contribute to.

 

When are you going to address my question in regards to Israel annexing Palestinian land, and why that is any different from Russia annexing Ukrainian land ? 

 

 

 

 

 

awesome, i get accused of anti semitism because i would have the temerity to say Israel has done some bad things and should right some of its wrongs. 

i have that poster blocked, but i had to read the comment anyway. wish there was a way to ignore quoted replies too. 

Going to be hilarious when we sweep the series

2 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Israel was attacked on all sides in 1948.  @Ilunga catalogued a host of terrorist activities by Israel's founding fathers. Others have posted Islamic pogroms on Jews.

 

I am not sure I called the displacement of Arab (Palestinian) civilians as blood thirsty.  I did call it posturing.  Most displaced, I read, were asked to leave by Arab sources.  That they could come back in a few days when all things political were settled. This was negotiating by Arab groups who postured for this land.  Then when it was not resolved in their favor; they attacked Jews, not Arabs.

 

My belief is they thought it would be a slaughter. They would own the territory; you pick which Arab group? The settlers could return under their rule. 

 

It just did not work out that way.  My point is when they could have accepted a territorial settlement. Had a homeland for Palestinian Arabs? It was rejected and the Arab groups attacked.  They lost that war & 80 years later are asking for territory back? 

If you really want to understand why people were displaced, in 1985 the IDF published their own summary of the causes, in order of importance. You'll notice the first 3 are direct action against the Palestinian Arab population. https://www.akevot.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1948ISReport-Eng.pdf

My issue is that you claim the primary reason they fled is because Arab leaders asked them to (0 evidence of this), when theres very real and documented evidence of Arab towns being depopulated at gunpoint by Lehi/Irgun/Haganah prior to Israel declaring independence in 1948 (Deir Yassin, Jaffa, Haifa as examples). 

You also seem to hold those Palestinian civilians to a completely different standard than Israeli civilians. We can both agree that Israeli civilians should never be targeted, regardless of what crimes their governments commit. The Israeli government building settlements and bulldozing Arab homes doesn't take away from Israeli civilians rights to their own homes and safety in other parts of the country. So even if you're right that Palestinian civilians fled because they were told by Arab leaders, why does that make them responsible for the actions of the other Arab countries? Should their rights as civilians still not have been protected, just like the Balfour declaration demanded?

You also say "80 years later theyre asking for land back". Well they (and the UN) have called for their right to return from day 1 of the 1948 war ending. This isn't something that is just conveniently popping up now as an excuse to bully Israel. The reason I asked you the question about which compromise was fair, is that in ALL negotiations in recent history, the Palestinians have been willing to compromise as long as some right of return was acknowledged. 

Please also draw a distinction between "stealing land" and removing the native population from a piece of land. These are two separate things. In 1948, it was ethnic cleansing of many towns and cities. In 1967 it was stealing land. The reason I say this is you are treating them interchangeably. The process of removing the arab population from an ever increasing amount of illegally occupied land is the problem, and its being done intentionally to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state. When you look at a map and see the areas where settlements are being built, do you not see that pattern? 

regarding the atrocities in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, Yemen etc there are major differences between the civil wars vs the open persecution of minorities (like the Kurds) vs proxy conflicts etc. I think its safe to say that Iran is several orders of magnitude worse than any Israeli government since the formation of Israel. But we can go tit for tat all day long with whataboutism. Israel is a lightning rod unlike other countries at this moment because it's committed crimes against a population its essentially held hostage for 80 years, has refused to make any real attempt to address the injustice it inflicted against them, and that continues to this day, while being supported by our own governments. You named a whole bunch of civil wars which are incredibly tragic yes, but in several of those conflicts you named (Sudan, Yemen as examples), its civilians as victims caught in the crossfire between two warring factions. Not a civilian population being intentionally targeted. Whenever a civilian population is intentionally targeted, we see a similar response that the world has had to Israel, but especially when our own governments are complicit. These protests have nothing to do with Israel being Jewish, theyre about the fact that our government has supported Israel unconditionally despite obvious and open crimes against the Palestinians. See examples in history: Civil Rights protests in the 1950s, Vietnam protests in the 1960s, LGBTQ rights protests in the 1970s, Gun violence protests in the 2000s, Occupy wall street, BLM, just to name a few. People tend to get really upset when their governments openly support ongoing injustice, it gets them a whole lot more fired up than other things like wars that happened in the past or civil wars that they dont have anything to do with. 

I think its insane to boil that down to "muhh everyones anti semetic". 

Edit: I guess I need to address all of the conflicts you mentioned or I'll keep getting accused of anti semitism.

 Saddams regime, the Ayatollahs in Iran, Assad, Bin Salman, several Turkish regimes, have all done horrible things and they all deserve(d) to hang for their crimes. I would hope that any endorsement of these criminals by western countries would be met with protests and resistance on at least the same level as those leveled against Israeli treatment of Palestinians. I am still bewildered that we give the US government a free pass for its support of the saudi royal family. Fortunately, our governments stand opposed to many of those criminals, including the ayatollahs, assad, hezbollah, and others. 

13 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

It's the Singhgasms.

 

MiiiikDaaaaaviiiiiddd!!!!!

 

Someone get him a wet wipe.

this is all im gonna be able to think about when i watch game 1

Just now, Sophomore Jinx said:

That is it right there. Nashville is a bugger of a team to play against, so structured, albeit boring, but disciplined and skilled too....any team would have had it tough against them...it was a great team building series for our guys, and well earned in moving on, and IMHO it will serve them very well against the Oil....they won't know how to contend with our big D...and outside of the obvious ones, guys like Lindy, DJ, Zadz, Blueger, Suter, are going to be difference makers.

 

 

edmonton is also way easier to bait into taking dumb penalties

if big z lays a few hits you better believe kane and nurse are gonna come and try to play stupid games and get take penalties

1 hour ago, DrJockitch said:

Dak and Zad have to be priority.

Then we need to sign a third line centre, nobody coming to fill that spot.  If Lindholm wants to stay that will be a squeeze. 

That will likely mean DeSmith and Blueger going. 
Doubt there will be enough left for Myers, Juulsen should have that third pair right D locked down at near minimum. 
Then we need some wingers. 
‘On the farm we have some wing possibilities, Karlsson, they moved Ratu to left wing and he is a fairly nasty winger so may be good fit for EP, Podz probably in a spot in the regular lineup too, Bains is another good shot at bottom 6. 
Ultimately have faith in PA, what he has done this year is remarkable. 
‘Bring me big Daddy Zaddy back PA. 

Agree with all of that 

I really hope they figure out a way to keep Lindholm though, with Miller/Petey/Lindholm we would have arguably the best center depth in the league

Raty and Bains both looked so good in abbotsford this year, i wouldnt be surprised to see both of them come in and deliver great value on ELCs

Cole is definitely gone, but i wonder if we could squeeze Myers in at 3m. Hes been great in Tocchets system. 

48 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

despite what the fan base and local media says, the mcbabies can't put out the same level of defensive effort that Nashville did. 

correct

On 4/19/2024 at 3:34 AM, Komodo0921 said:

I thought this might be an interesting thread to discuss ideas on who fans want to keep and who they're ok with trading or letting walk to free-agency, as well as replacements for lost or traded players.

 

Absolute keepers:

Dakota Joshua- his breakout season has been an absolute key to Vancouver's success. His mix of two-way play and physicality have propelled him to another level.

Nikita Zadorov- the big defenseman really showed he belonged here since his arrival. His defensive play has been has, vastly, improved and his physical presence is badly needed here.

Teddy Blueger- Joshua, Blue, Garland. Don't think much more needs saying here.

 

Non-returnees:

Elias Lindholm- unfortunately, things haven't worked out for him here. His rumored asking price may also be too much.

Sam Lafferty- been ok here but, imo, he doesn't bring anything that can't be replaced.

Ian Cole- same as Lafferty.

Casey DeSmith- time for Silovs to get an opportunity.

Mark Friedman- an irrelevant player, really.

 

Those I would re-sign at the right price:

Tyler Myers- has shown he can still play. 2 yrs x 3 would be my comfort zone. Otherwise I'd let him walk.

Filip Hronek- really think 6.5 would be my ceiling for him. A quick look at his career really shows how dependent he is on the success of Quinn Hughes.

 

NHL Tradeable:

Pius Suter- the emergence of the Joshua, Blueger, Garland line and the, vastly, improved play of Hoglander has really made him a redundant, expendable player, imo. Unfortunate because I really like him but, can't keep them all.

Filip Hronek- as stated above, 6.5 would be my ceiling. I did say in another thread that I felt PA will get something done with him but, as this is fantasy, I'm ok with the contradiction.

Nils Hoglander- only if the right deal were to come along.

Ilya Mikheyev- anyone? Anyone at all? Please?

 

Replacements:

Chris Tanev- bring our boy home. He's never looked right in another uniform.

Yakov Trenin- liked this player for a long time. A true fourth liner that brings a little offense but a lot of physicality.

Jett Woo- don't know that there's much more to Woo's game. Give him a 7/8 spot to see what he can do.

Arturs Silovs- has proven to be solid when called upon.

Noah Juulsen- time to put on the big boy pants and step up.

Guillaume Brisebois- a bit of a darkhorse here. Felt so bad for him. He was finally going to get his shot but injury kept him out for most of the season. Hopefully he does get a shot.

Tom Willander- another darkhorse pick but, he really proved himself in the NCAA. I am kinda hoping management sees him as ready.

 

Desired trade targets:

Brady Tkachuk- rumor has it, Ottawa might be, tentatively, shopping him.

Lawson Crouse- with the move to Utah and the new ownership, might they be looking to part with some pieces to bolster their prospect pool and take a new approach.

Both are Tocchet type players. I think either, or both would fit.

 

I would continue with trade ideas but this post is getting too long. I'll save other thoughts for replies.

Let the roast begin.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed we have to keep Joshua & Zadorov. 

Let DeSmith go, Silovs is ready to backup Demko and to do it really well. Saves us a million.

Let Blueger go, he's a great PK'er but save the 1m and lets try to keep Lindholm somehow. 

I want suter to stay - for his versatility, and i think we can probably keep him for around the same price he signed for. 

Myers at 3m would be great to have for a couple years. Hronek for 7.5. 

Juulsen should be ready to step in as defenseman #6, we can let Cole go. 

The only way i see us being able to keep everyone good that we want to is if management can somehow move on from Mikheyev though I really don't see how thats a possibility. 

Having Miller-Pettersson-Lindholm down the middle gives us incredible center depth and probably keeps us competitive for years to come if we can manage to keep Lindholm somehow. 

This is what id love to see next year:

Suter-Miller-Boeser

BAINS-Petey-Hoglander (I watched enough abby games this year, i think Bains not only makes the jump but makes an impact next year)

Joshua-Lindhom-Garland

Podkolzin-Aman-Raty

Hughes-Hronek

Soucy-Myers

Zadorov-Juulsen

Bring on the coilers.

I was wrong before, Silovs is god. 

Nucks in 5. 

On 5/2/2024 at 8:41 AM, RomanPer said:

I guess you ignore the expulsion of over 700,000 Jews from the Arab countries in the 50s and confiscation of all their properties and possessions… Do you know what the problem with the history books is? They are usually written by someone with certain agenda.

Some nice whataboutism to respond to me calling out your obvious lie. Reminder, this is what you said:

"And I will also add to it Israel - vast majority of land/properties now being claimed as “stolen by Jews” were in fact legally purchased from the previous owners. But that doesn’t fit into anti-Israeli narratives, so it’s usually being ignored by our Australian friend."

My response was to clearly disprove that. 

Anyone who wants to go home should have the right to do so - whether Jewish, Arab, European, Indigenous, etc etc. Including those people who fled and were expelled from Arab countries. 

Ive read enough of your posts though to know toxic nonsense when i see it, consider yourself blocked

On 5/3/2024 at 2:12 AM, Canuck Surfer said:

 

 

They also had a choice in 1948.  Popular opinion says Israel ran 700,000 out of the country and displaced them taking over to create Israel

 

  

 

 

Israel, however was formed by joint treaty resolution 181, by the UN & Britain; Britain who controlled British Palestine, including what is Jordan, large swaths of Syria, Iraq. 

 

Palestinians were part of these discussions.  And these 700,000 Palestinians did get displaced. Large, PALESTINIAN, populations ended up in the Jordanian Kingdom as part of treaties & agreements. Jordan was formed in 1947. Palestinian in Jordan & Syrian administrations were awarded the largest properties. Those displaced were separated, or not represented in discussions depending on with whom u talk.  Further, they were largely moved by Egyptian & Jordanian leaders. Who also had eyes on these territories. Not moved militarily by newly formed Israel.

 

Even at that, Palestinians groups were also offered both in 1947 & 1948 tracks of more than 1/2 of what is now Israel.  This was rejected, demanding Jewish leave altogether. Just as Hamas now, perhaps they are trying to relinquish while getting their asses kicked again, in 2006/7 and several times in-between.

 

What really happened in 1948 is mathematically & semantically impossible to argue; Palestinians, allied with Jordan, the Saudi, Iraqi, Egypt and Syria attacked the newly formed state of Israel. All whom wanted their mitts on the holy land. Nobody blames Arabs for these displacements, but they were all complicit? Rather than negotiate, or form a co-habitat ant two state solution? These allies tried to wipe Israel off the planet & divide the spoils. This is history, well documented that Israel was surrounded & attacked. Israel calls it the war of independence. Palestine the Nakba; both are narrative of the same facts.  

 

Palestinians & their allies got their arses whooped. 

 

80 years later its still a tragedy?  It is, but you can only go back so far. My grandfather came from a family of ten brothers and sisters. Their family farm was lost in WWI; to our knowledge Gigi may have had a surviving sister whom he never met again. Can we go back to Ukraine & kick the Russians who displaced them out? Cough...

 

40,000,000 people were wandering around without a place to live surrounding WWII. Yet Palestinians should get back what they lost, in a pocket of war they started. 

 

I apologize for all tragedy, I also have time for accountability of crimes against but Palestinians also need to come to the table. Palestinians also serve up crime; see Oct 7. For 80 years they have taught their children they were robbed, rebuttal. Nothing said of how failed conquests, lack of compromise or reason is part of current circumstance.

 

Accept some responsibility. Accept some form of Jewish state. 

 

Then ask for help?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually your timeline of what happened in 1948 is wrong and provably so. Framing the Arab response to Israel's declaration of independence as a bloodthirsty and unprovoked act of violence is also wrong. 

Israel declared independence on May 15 1948. Heres a few things that happened before that:

January 4th 1948- Lehi (Jewish terrorists) detonate a truck bomb civilians in Jaffa

April 25th 1948- Irgun bombs Jaffa

April 27th- Haganah invades the villages east of Jaffa

May 14th- 95% of the Arab population had fled for their lives

May 15th- Israel declares independence

The same events happened weeks earlier in Haifa, and in several other cities and towns that had majority arab populations that would eventually be cleansed of most of their arab populations. 

Israel took many cities by force, and while yes, rolling back history and sending everyone back to where they came from is ridiculous dumb and impossible, your blame of the displacement of those civilians on the bloodthirsty arabs is a gross rewriting of history. 

People try to play the same game in 1967, framing it as Arab aggression, when it was Israel who invaded Egypt, not the other way around. In that war, Israel illegally took more Palestinian territory, and still holds it to this day. Why is nobody calling on Israel to unconditionally return it/stop building settlements on it before further negotiations take place?

Im also curious which of the proposed compromises you considered to be fair? Why should they have taken any deal in 1948 that did not include them being able to go back to their homes? Or any year for that matter? 

If you were thrown out of your house by force, would you accept any deal that didn't include being able to come back?

The idiot (and there are many out there) think that this is a fight between evil bloodthirsty primitives vs innocents. It isn't. 

The cycle of violence we see today has a specific and clear injustice at its root. Address that, and work outwards from there, and thats how this conflict is solved.

Is there a reason people are so sure Petey has an injury?

he doesnt look injured at all to me

he fumbles his zone entries horribly (overhandling the puck)

hes weak on his skates, falling down more than before

he doesnt shoot

what injury causes all of that?

he had a great summer of training leading into 2022-2023

it looks more to me like he didn't do the same leading into 2023-2024

2 hours ago, RomanPer said:

 

How can PURCHASING land violate international law? I’m trying to think you are simply not as smart as you are trying to prove to everyone around here. 

wanna tell me how this is "PURCHASING"?

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-we-need-to-speak-about-the-absentee-property-law/

or this?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/22/israel-seizes-800-hectares-of-palestinian-land-in-occupied-west-bank

9 hours ago, RomanPer said:

And I will also add to it Israel - vast majority of land/properties now being claimed as “stolen by Jews” were in fact legally purchased from the previous owners. But that doesn’t fit into anti-Israeli narratives, so it’s usually being ignored by our Australian friend.

I guess you could agree with this if you ignore the expulsion of 700 thousand people in 1948 and confiscation of their legally owned homes, the refusal of Israel to let them return despite UN resolution 194 demanding that they be allowed to return, alongside the illegal conquering and occupation of the west bank and the confiscation of the arab owned homes there

seriously people agreeing with the quoted take should take a moment to open a history book, its just embarassing. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/palestine-keys-return-home-israel-palestinians-a8398341.html

2 hours ago, Rook said:

My grandfather fought for the maple leaf and is sacred to me and many others like me, I would have walked up and taken it down myself instead of waiting for police. How do you think the protesters would have responded, yeah it would get ugly fast, definition of not being peaceful.. and who the F are those losers to fly that flag in our nation? Disgusting behaviour, they are terrorist sympathizers, they proven it with their chants, many supporting Hamas. While I worry about the innocent of Palestine, it’s not my problem to sort out, nor is it yours.  Those people need to take accountability for allowing Hamas to stay in power. You act as if nobody has ever overthrown a government before, the problem is there are too many that sympathize with Hamas.  Why are you so worried about just the Palestinian children?  What about the ones kidnapped that those barbarians refuse to release.  Trust me, take my people and I will level your whole block to get them back. No questions asked

"I'd murder hundreds of people to get my people back"

thats probably why the police handle kidnappings and not vigilantes with liam neeson delusions. 

9 hours ago, Alflives said:

Petey needs to get healthy. It’s clear he’s playing through something and has been for some time. The team won’t say anything, of course. 
There is zero chance JR traded his elite 1C. He knows there’s no winning a Cup without Petey. 

there is zero evidence of injury, silly to just make that up for no reason?

8 hours ago, spook007 said:

Lets get something straight here... in the end of the day, JR and PA dictate hat Petey gets paid... 

If they don't think he is worth it, they don't offer him the contract...

 

There is no guarantee in sport... If there were Lui Eriksson would never have played here...

There is such things as confidence... Petey is hardly the first to suffer a slump. We all know, what he can do, otherwise he hadn't been offered the contract in the first place....

 

And lets not forget, the ENTIRE FAN BASE and MANAGEMENT wanted him to sign asap... Petey wanted to wait until the summer in the off season. 

 

I, like everyone, am hoping he finds his mojo sooner rather than later, but hanging him out to dry for signing a contract, he was offered is nonsense.

He is the future of this franchise, and he will come good... book it.

sure but there are some alarming signs too - 

like petey falling down every other shift

and tocchet saying stuff like "hes listening to us now"

i hope he pulls it together. yeah it may be a mental/confidence thing, but hes spent years playing in the biggest sports pressure cooker, he should be able to handle the pressure. if he cant, thats on him to go get some therapy and sort it out. 

On 4/25/2024 at 6:46 PM, spook007 said:

Aye he did.... but not at age 25....

petey wanted franchise player gamebreaker money

gotta play like a franchise player gamebreaker or at least a difference making 1c

8 hours ago, arsenalian said:

April 13th says Hi

 

our chances of winning without demko are about the same as the oilers beating us without mcdavid