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fans are calling forbot and desharnais as turn over machines but in the same breath say they were excellent penalty killers. how do those 2 statements, compute?
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^ what they said, plus "turn over machine" is more a function of transitional play (ie. moving from defensive zone to attack the opposition) and attacking (ie. keeping control of the puck in the offensive zone), while penalty killing is all about reducing or squashing the chances the opposition gets in attacking the net. They're not mutually exclusive.
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the stats don't back that up whatsoever: https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=realtime&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20232024&seasonTo=20232024&gameType=2&position=D&sort=giveawaysPer60&page=0&pageSize=50
they are just fine in terms of giveaways per 60.