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I suspect that each mod has their small group of favourite posters, I like to think I'm one of Ribs's favourites I envision them witnessing me stirring the pot every once in a while and just shaking their head On the other hand, I suspect I kinda toed the line between entertaining Vintage and driving them a little nuts

There's no escaping ghosts Mostly because @Ghostsof1915 is in every other thread at some point

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I'd argue that most stars probably get paid full value, and that many of them do in fact take the biggest pay day they can. MacKinnon did, Matthews did, Nylander did, Dahlin did. Hughes will, Makar will, Draisaitl will, McDavid will. The team knew going into the season what Elias's stance was, they can be frustrated all they like but it's not as if they weren't aware of what he stance was. I don't think Elias ever wanted to be captain, I don't think that has anything to do with negotiations. He's never been keen on dealing with the media, why would he opt to do it every other day as a captain? Hughes was the best option, he bridges the gap between vets and youngsters and straddles the line between being laid back and competitive better than either Pettersson or Miller. More than likely Pettersson didn't want it, and Miller is better suited being able to focus on hockey and not having the media burden that comes with being a captain in a Canadian market.

I think market value would dictate that he is probably worth closer to 12M imo, but that's because market value is always shifting. Nylander is the closest, and most recent, comparable and is likely the one Pettersson's agent will use. Market value for franchise players shifts, and what some guys get is also dependent on when their contracts expire. Matthews just raised the bar for franchise, top of the league players with his 13.25M contract. McDavid will shift it again his deal is up. Draisaitl will shift it before McDavid, his deal is up after next season. Some folks will point to Pastrnak, that's been an ongoing discussion within this thread as well. But Pasta signed last season on March 2nd, 2023. He didn't have the incoming cap jump to bump up his pay, Pettersson does. The rising cap will always disrupt past contexts, because contracts for top players will always rise alongside the cap. It's the same thing with MacKinnon, who folks also point to. But the context there is he signed under a Covid flat cap that wasn't seeing sizeable jumps back on September 20th, 2022. He didn't take a discount either. Folks will argue Pettersson shouldn't get more than either player as if things are black and white, when context will tell you than things aren't black and white. Folks argue that 12M is for top of the league, top 5 tier players. Pettersson is already in the top of the league bracket, but 12M may not be top of the league money 2-3 years into Pettersson's next deal. Pettersson will almost certainly get the same or more than Nylander whether folks like it or not unless his deal is like 2-3 years, and even then he might.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/mike-bossy-auction-stanley-cup-rings-htp9sz29 Mike Bossy’s first two Stanley Cup rings set records this past weekend as the most valuable Cup rings ever sold at auction, according to Heritage Auctions, which sold the rings at its Winter Platinum Night Sports Auction. Bossy’s 1980 Islanders championship ring brought $222,000. Then his 1981 ring surpassed it at $228,000. His daughter Josiane recently told Newsday that she decided to sell her half of the memorabilia she inherited from her father, who died of lung cancer in April 2022, but that her sister Tanya opted to keep hers. Tanya has her father’s ’82 and ’83 rings. The next-most-expensive item among the 144 in the Bossy collection was a signed, game-worn Islanders jersey from the 1983-84 season that sold for $49,200. “As much as he was the best dad he could be, when I look at the hockey things, I think it really belongs to the people who love hockey and who love him for the hockey player he was,” Josiane said. “That’s why I thought it would be best to get it to fans or collectors or people that would see the value of it.” The biggest-ticket item in the auction also was hockey-related. The only known sealed case of 1979-80 O-Pee-Chee cards, including Wayne Gretzky’s first card as an Edmonton Oiler, sold for $3.72 million. “We knew from the moment we heard this O-Pee-Chee case existed that it would get the attention of hockey card collectors worldwide,” Chris Ivy, Heritage’s director of sports auctions, said in a news release. “Those hockey collectors played an integral part in the success of this Winter Platinum Night event with world record results achieved for both the O-Pee-Chee case as well as the Mike Bossy collection.”

Not quite a Pettersson, pass

Nah, it's probably not. But value and what folks think market value is also happens to be subjective. I reckon 11M would be a discount, others would argue it's market value, others would argue it's an overpayment. My take is that the Leafs threw the Canucks a grenade by handing Nylander 11.5M per, I have a hard time seeing Pettersson getting less than that. Pettersson's camp was probably waiting for the Nylander deal to get done.

I reckon he ends up being either an Av or a Ranger

Pettersson laughs and says he ain't signing to stay in Edmonton

Probably, and that's fine. I think hockey fans in general often have unrealistic hopes and expectations regarding players taking team friendly deals in general though. Most star players don't take discounts, I don't know how a player being paid market value got spun into being a negative when it's actually the norm.

That depends entirely on a theoretical Kuzmenko return, but it didn't happen so that's an unending list of who could have been acquired And sure, but we wound up moving him anyway, things are easier to look back on in retrospect Thing is, it wasn't retrospect for everyone, I wasn't the only one arguing we should have traded him We got Lindholm out of it, and he's a very good player, I just we'd gone about it differently and acquired blue chip guys

Sounds like a guy who's often wanted to be a top six guy ain't happy when he's not in that position

Hard to say, but it certainly wasn't this season's Kuzmenko He did, which brings us full circle, I reckon we could have done better for him last season and was calling for him to be traded But one circle is enough for me

I didn't see his production as being sustainable, in part because of his shooting percentage I also saw him as more of a benefactor, how many tap ins did he have last season? Turns out I wasn't wrong

Loading up for this season, or the future. Kuzmenko's cap hit vs production would have allowed him to fit on any playoff team, his shooting percentage was unsustainably high, and Bruce bump or not we were in tough to make the playoffs. Could have returned picks, prospects, a young NHL'er, or some combination thereof. We're still extremely thin regarding center prospects for example. He was a sell high option, we could have done very well by trading him when his value was highest.

For real, I was one of the folks saying we should sell him off, we were never going to make the playoffs last season Would have gotten a great return

Dallas, Seattle, Florida, and Carolina jump out to me Maybe Boston or Washington, but I don't like their pieces as much

I explained my reasoning regarding Anaheim earlier I think he'll sign and remain a Canuck

As mentioned earlier, I don't view Anaheim as an organization Pettersson would sign with I reckon he'll want a more competitive landing spot

I agree we will be fine, I just don't view LA as an interested party which is why I didn't list them Dubois should be better, Byfield should be Kopitar's heir apparenr

I doubt Byfield is available, not sure they could fit Pettersson's extension in next season without moving significant cap out either Only way that'd probably work is by giving up Byfield and Dubois, given how Byfield has looked they may be better off standing pat Maybe Zibanejad would waive his NMC, but he's in control of that scenario