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Sure, but the old narrative of D taking longer to develop has stuck around for a reason Oil also have limited trade chips I think bottom feeding teams with D they can move will be very interested BJ's could flip any of Provorov, Boqvist, or Peeke for example A team looking to turn over it's D like Washington could give up pending UFA Edmundson Anaheim has Lyubushkin who's a pending UFA

Still a young D who was recently drafted high, 8OA in 2019 and only 22, could very well go on to have success elsewhere Thing is, if they don't have a space for him in their top 4 sooner than later he's only going to lose trade value imo Could end up being a savvy acquisition for whoever lands him, particularly if they're a team who can afford to be a bit more patient with young D than the Oil can afford to be Oil should be trying to go for it now, Draisaitl and McDavid extensions loom on the horizon What they'd actually get for Broberg is anyone's guess though

Tough news for the Sens

Tough news for the Flames, it'll be interesting to see if they can stay afloat without him

He's the Slovenian captain America, they just haven't been able to replicate their scientific success and step towards international hockey dominance

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He deserves some of the credit though, Pettersson and Hughes blew up last season partially under Boudreau's watch for example. He's also the coach who actually put Pettersson and Hughes and the PK if I'm not mistaken, something that didn't really happen under Green. He does deserve some of the credit for Pettersson and Hughes's development. Miller also blew up under Boudreau's watch. One can argue it was simply players taking the next step, but you've also got to credit their coaches to some degree. Boudreau was also instrumental in our getting Kuzmenko, as well as Kuzmenko being put in positions to succeed. Horvat also blew up under Boudreau, which resulted in us having Hronek. I've no issue with Bruce saying his piece, our team record wasn't rosy while he was here but he did contribute to the team we've watched this season.

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Absolutely, top end players always eat up larger chunks of cap increases. If anything this will bolster what Pettersson and Hronek can ask for. It's not the job of players to manage the cap of the teams they play for, it's the job of their agents to secure them the largest bag possible.

Yup, a rising cap doesn't necessarily mean the Canucks will have more cap space to fit other players in, more than likely it just means the players they need to extend will be asking for more. Player asks rise alongside the cap, so do their contracts.

So not killing penalties makes you one dimensional? Not how I see it, Pasta's a true dual threat who is integral to the Bruin's success and he's paid as such. Boston's never needed him to kill penalties, they've always had other players, including Marchand and Bergeron, to do that. If you personally view any NHL forward who doesn't play PK as one dimensional, sure, can't argue with that. For the most part I think you and I actually agree about Pettersson's value, in this thread no less, I just thought you were underselling Pasta, who belongs to be right there with Pettersson imo. Thing is, Pettersson needs to keep doing it whereas Pasta has done it, Pettersson looks to be doing it again but Pasta's track record of production is longer. Despite playing different positions they're closer than you think in value imo. As for the age bit, when you factor in Pasta stepping into the league at eighteen they're not that far off. If I'm not mistaken Pasta was closing in roughly point per game by his age 20-21 season, his third season, during which he put up 70 in 75. Age 21-22 was 80 in 82, 22-23 was 81 in 66, 23-24 would have been his 95 in 70 season. Pasta had put up two seasons of being on pace or roughly 100 points or better by the end of his 23-24 year-old season, plus two seasons of being roughly point per game prior to those two seasons. The next couple seasons he went back to roughly point per game before blowing up last season, and again thus far this season. It's hard to project whether Pettersson will have years where his points lull a bit given he's in his sixth season whereas Pasta's in his tenth, but at the same age they were pretty comparable players pointwise. I'm of the opinion that Pettersson is extremely valuable, at similar points in their careers they weren't really all that different as far as their season totals went, although Pasta blew up a year earlier. You can argue that Pettersson is a center, but he hasn't been the center he's been this season or last his entire Canucks tenure, he's had to grow into that. You could also point to Boston having better teams, but I'd argue that despite the team's records throughout Pettersson's Canucks career the top end supporting casts he's worked with have been pretty respectable as well. You've also got to credit Pasta for putting up the numbers he has, not every player capitalizes on their chance to step in and become an impact player in a team's top six. As for which type of player is worth more, I'm of the opinion that their value is closer than you probably think it is despite their positional differences. Pasta isn't benefitting from Krejci and Bergeron anymore, he's making do with Zacha for a center, the same Zacha who broke 40 points for the first time last season, and he's still on pace for 50+ goals and 100+ points. Would I take Pettersson over Pasta because he's a center? Yeah, but folks taking Pasta over Pettersson wouldn't shock me either. He's a legitimate gamebreaker, they're both arguably top 10 NHL forwards. Will Pettersson end up earning more? There's a good chance, he'll benefit from a rising cap that's just been projected to rise 4.2M. https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2784964

I was waiting for someone to say something, haha

What'd he do? Fight most of the other team?

He's also money come playoff time, 79 points in 77 games. 25OA pick. It'd likely have been a butterfly effect sort of thing though, have Pasta blowing up on the Canucks back then and who we draft going forward likely looks completely different. Fun to think about what could have been.

They're different players, but Pasta is arguably more dynamic and has a longer track record of elite production. I'm a big Pettersson fan but it's hard to not be impressed by what Pastrnak has developed into, he's been roughly point per game or better since 16-17. Pettersson is absolutely capable of being the same caliber of player, but I'd argue Pasta's been more valuable to his team thus far. Despite being known as a goal scorer Pasta has quietly put up 338 assists to go with his 315 goals over the course of his NHL career. 653 points in 616 games.

No he's not, Pasta's play this season is a huge part of why Boston hasn't regressed as much as a lot of folks though they would without Bergeron and Krejci. Pasts is still on pace for 50+ goals despite having altered his game to contribute to Boston's overall offense. He's distributing the puck more, he's the straw that stirs the drink in Boston's top six as demonstrated by his having 36 points in 24 games, with 22 of them being assists. For reference, the next highest Bruin is Marchand with 23 points. Pasta has more assists than most of his teammates have points. He's also one of four Bruins with more than eight goals, leading the way with 14. Pasta is getting 11.25M because he's the Bruin's most important player, he drives the Bruins forward. I was pretty sure the Bruins would falter, Pasta is the biggest reason why they haven't, he's exceeded everyone's expectations and proven he's more than a one trick pony. Bruins are much more dangerous up front precisely because Pasta's a bigger threat when he's willing to pass. https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/bruins/david-pastrnak-taking-game-to-level-montgomery-didnt-expect Given all the turnover around him, including the retirements of David Krejci and Patrice Bergeron – the two centers he’s had the most success with in his career – some sort of decline in production would have been completely understandable. Even his coach expected it. “I thought that he would have a harder time producing without Bergy and obviously Krejci to work with,” Jim Montgomery acknowledged Wednesday. “In my year-end meeting with him, I said, ‘There’s gonna be a lot more put on you next year.’ We figured they [Bergeron and Krejci] were moving on,” Montgomery said. “He just looked and said, ‘Yeah, I’m expecting it. Don’t worry about it.’ That’s what he said to me. And now I don’t worry about it.”

He may play center yet too, Kopitar won't be around forever Me either, Talbot has really been a good story for them, their D is solid, and they've got arguably some of the best center depth in the league

I think it's only a matter of time tbh

St. Louis taking on Garland also gives them an extra year of cap when they'd probably be better served freeing up that cap space sooner than later.

Yeah, Blues seem set on competing going forward while adding to their prospect pool, as demonstrated by their selling last season. Could be that they explore moving pieces if they slide, but if they're in the playoff mix closer to February I'd be surprised if they made a move like this, it makes their current roster weaker imo and I think that if they have to choose packing it in vs competing that they'll try to compete for a spot. Blues probably won't be rebuilding any time soon, their contract structure has them tethered to most of their current players. Particularly on D. They got a 1st+ for a retained ROR and a 1st+ for a retained Tarasenko, you'd think they'd be looking for something similar for Buchnevich.