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Again, what does any of this have to do with the Palestinians, with support from the majority of the international community, wanting east Jerusalem as a capital for a future Palestinian state ? This is considered the best option for a peaceful solution to this never ending conflict. You either agree with this, or you don't. From memory you stated something along the lines of an open city. All these so called " sacred" sites. What's more sacred, human life ? Or building/s ?

I am well aware of the history of Jerusalem. As I have already posted, it has been captured and recaptured 53 times, attacked 44 times, besieged 22 times and destroyed twice What has any of this have to do with both the Palestinians and the international community wanting the Palestinians to have east Jerusalem as their capital of a future Palestinian state ? Unless you believe what Scotty from the Marketing tell you. You know that religious nutjob who was our last PM. The guy that recognised West Jerusalem as Israel's capital. The guy that believes the " seven mountains mandate ". " The seven mountains mandate is a global Pentecostal movement intent on taking over the pillars of society, notably including governments and defence forces, to bring on Judgement day, so Christ can return. " https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/morrison-courts-pentecostal-world-domination,16582 Thankfully the Albanese government has reversed Scotty's decision.

You are providing solutions. Practical solutions. I want to believe others are receptive to your idea's. Again, what are people's priorities ? Revenge or peace ?

First off, I am really sorry to hear about your nevvy. That's really fucked up. I hope the kids who assaulted him have been held to account for their actions. Secondly, I have no outrage against the Israeli/Jewish people. I have no rage at all for the human suffering both Israeli's and Palestinians have endured for decades. What's the point of rage ? Who has " raged " against the Isrealis/Jews in this thread ? I have empathy for both groups of people. I am saddened by event's before October 7, horrified by the events on October 7, and since then. Look at the place where the people who have rage/anger, have brought the Isreali/Palestinian people.

As I have stated before brother. You are one of, if not the most " balanced " poster in this thread.

In this article about his book he states https://www.npr.org/2010/03/31/125211864/from-son-of-hamas-to-agent-of-shin-bet " I was tortured by the Isrealis in one of the most scary interrogation facilities you can imagine, and I was held there for three months. " " It opened big questions in my mind, questioning if Isreal is really our enemies. I believe at the time and I still believe that occupation is a problem. Every nation has the right to establish and decide their destiny. But we had enemies more and dangerous than Israel and those enemies lived within us. " Now I totally agree with him that Hamas is an enemy of the Palestinian people. I also have no doubt that they have murdered/killed innocent Palestinians. They have no regard at all for the Palestinian people and they truly are a terrorist organisation. I believe sources/ information I can trust. The online Encyclopaedia Britianica is one of the most trustworthy sources there is. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hamas "Hamas, militant nationalist and islamist movement in the west bank and Gaza strip that is dedicated to the establishment of independent Islamic State in historical " Palestine. Now I a certain you are aware the difference between a nationalism movement, and a global/international movement. And why I bring up US and Western interventionism in the middle east is to illustrate that it is us that have gone over there and fucked with them. As opposed to Arab countries, no matter what a few nutjob state, them fucking with us.

I have asked Roman several times to state what his beliefs are in regards to a Palestinian state, he has refused to answer. He has also used a mythical religious text as the basis for his claim that Isreal " owns " Jerusalem. So on the basis of this, one can only presume that Roman does deny the right of the Palestinians to have a state of their own. So yes there is someone in this thread that denies the Palestinians a state of their own. As I stated I returned to this thread after weeks away due to the human suffering that is happening in Gaza. And guess what, the majority of the world agrees with me. More and more countries are coming out and criticising Isreal for the actions in Gaza, including their best friend the US, who took the unprecedented step of freezing arms shipments to Israel. If I seem to be fighting with everyone in this thread as you state, what I am actually doing is advocating for the rights of innocent civilians, especially the women and children. These people are starving. Their schools have been destroyed. This is why the majority of the world has had enough. And this was reflected in the UN vote a few days ago in regards to to Palestinian membership of the UN. 143 nations voted in favour of this. I am glad the society I live in actually had the courage to vote. Me " fighting " with everyone seems to evidence of the fact that people don't believe what I do. That human life is sacred. That women and children should be protected at all costs. There is never an excuse for killing them. And for causing for over a million more to face starvation. I post articles about forgiveness and peace. If Jesus was a real person and he was alive now, what do you think he would " say " in regards to this. We'rent we taught he preached forgiveness and peace brother ?

The Authors are Colin P. Clarke, who is a director of research at the Soufan Group, an intelligence and consulting firm in New York City, and author of, After The Caliphate: The Islamic State And The Future Terrorist Diaspora. Michael Kenney, who is the director of the Michael B. Ridgeway center and professor of international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh. He conducts research on terrorism, political violence and high risk activism. Media Bias assessment for my source, Politico https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ Factual reporting High Overall we rate Politico Left-Centre biased based on story selections and editorial positions that slightly favour the left. We also rate them high for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. MBFC Credibility Rating High Credibility Now your source MEMRI ( Middle East Media Research Institute ) https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-media-research-institute-memri/ Factual reporting Mixed Questionable Source A Questionable source exhibits one or more of the following, extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and or is fake news. Overall we rate MEMRI as a questionable source based on the promotion of Isreali propaganda, poor sourcing and few failed fact checks. MBFC Credibility Rating Low Credibility Now even if we want to believe that BS rhetoric by a couple of nut jobs clerics who also talked about when " Islam ruled the world " If we are going to believe that those few clerics speak for all Hamas', do we believe that nutjobs like Smotrich and Ben Gvir speak for all the Knesset ? As I have stated many many times, there are nutjobs on both sides. They are religious nutjobs.

Who is dismissing why Israel exists in the first place ? Isreal exists because Isreali/Jews want a nation/state of their own, in a place they do have a historical connection to. This is their right. What saddens me is people who deny the Palestinians the same right that I, and they extend to the Israelis. The right to have a state of their own.

" UN has seemingly halved number of Gazan women, children killed " Seemingly ? Me, I believe in science, not propaganda, from either side " The Science is Clear. Over 30,000 people have died in Gaza. https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/

I " suggest " that all wars should be fought where the civilians are the primary tactical concern. Not just this particular conflict. This is what International Humanitarian Law " suggests ". If you want to compare IDF brutality to Hamas brutality, then I would say Hamas' actions on October 7 were far more brutal than any single act by the IDF. Slaughtering women, children, the elderly and men. Raping women. Mutilation of corpses. These are not only brutal acts, they are horrific. So advocating that civilians, especially women and children should be protected in any circumstances, in this case, a conflict, makes one a moral or intellectual coward ?

Don't understand how you can confuse a person who has consistently condemned all violence. Is the only person in the thread who posts articles about Palestinians and Isrealis forgiving each other, working with each other for a peaceful solution. For a person who would support a terrorist organisation. A terrorist organisation he has condemned countless times. As I have stated, I love factual information. I get tired of the same Bullshit. I present factual information and people deny it. Taxi, claiming Isreal didn't help form and fund Hamas'. Roman and his BS Greenhouse myth. Alf and his Hamas wants a world caliphate and wants to kill everyone. Hamas throwing gay people of buildings. I have debunked these claims several times. Hamas is fucked however the truth matters.

Kangaroo meat is readily available. Like a lot of meat that is " gamey ", it is not as popular as beef, pork or chicken. I basically don't eat meat. A few lips and assholes ( sausages ) every now and again.

I am getting really fuckin tired of insinuations like , I am OK with Hamas. I have condemned all violence of any sort on the old board and this one, long before this thread was started. I have also condemned Hamas'. Alf made a false claim, a very proactive claim that Hamas' wants to kill everyone who doesn't think like them, previous post, and they want a world Caliphate. I have provided evidence/facts, that those claims are false. I like facts Jim, not Bullshit. Provide some evidence/facts to back up your statement that " Given the chance, I am sure it would " What concerns me is that some people in this thread refuse to acknowledge facts, when they are presented to them.

Their stated aim is a Palestinian state, not a world Caliphate. That's a fact Jim. Source for that article Politico. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ Factual reporting High High credibility. And who said that the UN would hand over anything to Hamas ? Are you trying to claim that Hamas' wants a world caliphate ?

Are you stating to get Hamas' claimed " Hamas, I like to kill and dispose of everybody, I don't think anybody else should allowed " Source for that please. Turkey killing Kurds for hundreds of years. I was the first to bring up the Kurds on the old board years ago. Everyone fucks them over including, the US. " THE US IS BETRAYING THE KURDS FOR THE EIGHTH TIME Nothing is certain in this world except for death, taxes and America betraying the Kurds " https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kurds-syria-turkey-trump-betrayal/ And as for what has happened in Iraq in the last 20 years ? We all know illegally invaded that country, and destabilized the middle east by doing so. You want to talk about people killing millions of people over hundreds of years ? British and European settlers in the Americas. https://hmh.org/library/research/genocide-of-indigenous-peoples-guide/ And guess who has fueled the conflicts in the middle east for the last hundred years ? The US, and Western interventionism. From supporting dictators when it suited them, Saddam and the Shah, to overthrowing democratically elected governments, Mohammad Mosaddegh, Iran. The west has a history of supporting of murderous dictatorships in the middle east and throwing them away when they have no further use for them. And guess where shitloads of the weapons in the middle east came/come from ? Americas Arms Sales Addiction: The 50 Year History of US Dominance of The Middle Eastern Arms Trade " https://www.juancole.com/2019/11/americas-addiction-dominance.html I could go on. Have middle eastern countries ever fucked with us in the last 100 years ? Yes they have...9/11 And the US sells billions of dollars of weapons to, and supports the regime from where 15 of the 19 terrorists came from. Saudi Arabia.

As I have already pointed out to you, you are incorrect in your assessment that Hamas' wants a world caliphate. You are confusing them with ISIS. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/21/hamas-isis-are-not-the-same-00128107 " A State vs a Caliphate " " Hamas is a nationalist organisation that seeks the destruction of Isreal and it's replacement with a Palestinian state. It is also a religious militant group, to be sure, styled in the Islamist mode of the Muslim Brotherhood, from which it originated. But it seeks a state that would be like any other in the international community, with a seat at the United Nations, and in regional organisations like the Arab league. ITS OBJECTIVES ARE LOCAL. The Islamic State on the other hand, has transnational goals, and is a fundamentalist religious organisation. ISIS SEEKS TO BUILD A GLOBAL CALIPHATE, grounded in its literalist interpretation of scripture. Rather than aspiring to be a member of the global community of nations, ISIS sought to conquer state's and subdue their citizens under threats of intimidation and death. Had ISIS succeeded in consolidating its territorial base in Iraq and Syria, it would have sought to undermine and destroy the United Nations, not join it. " So yes Alf, you are misunderstanding Hamas' goals in regards to a world caliphate.

Could you do what this 94 year old woman is doing ?

Yes, what Gavin did at the WJC this year was insane. And his season in the WHL. And he is only 16 years old.

I subscribe to the, treat others how you have them treat you, way of life. Especially when it's the hardest time to do that.

I wonder if the Edmonton fans will now be complaining about Connor, like some canuck fans are complaining about Petey ? But don't get me wrong, I hope Petey goes back to being the Petey we know and love. As I stated in the Nashville series, it ain't over till it's over.

There used to be three things you " couldn't talk about ", religion politics and money. Without endangering friendships. Now you can add the conflict in by the Israel/Palestine to that list. " I think that our kids will probably see The end of humanity, as we know it Cause this world's about to blow it Will we see what they saw in ancient Rome The destruction of the home WILL THEY SEE THE END OF CIVILITY Cause when morality's been blurred Procreation seems absurd AND HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM ARE JUST WORDS THAT HAVE LOST ALL THEIR MEANING In a world that is bleeding " Mike Burkett I think you have made your views pretty clear over the years. You don't support the giant douche or the turd sandwich. You support third party candidates, as I do. The difference with Australian politics is those third party Politicians actually have a say. As they hold the balance of power in our senate. I don't get how people place more importance on these issues, rather than on our friendships. We can't always see eye even with our wives/partners and closest friends.

Congratulations on the win DBR. Best of luck moving forward.

People say to military personnel, thank you for your service. Well I say to you, we need more humanitarians in the world. People like you. Thank you for your service.

I see the same pattern of nationalism. A nation going further down the same road. The Palestinian/Arabs that live in Israel say they face persecution. That they are treated like second class citizens. Apartheid " A policy is a policy that is founded on the idea that of seperating people based on racial or ethnic criteria " And as for the flag stuff. Here in Australia we fly both the Australian flag, and the flag of first nations people. From the senate and house chambers, to Parliament house. Everywhere. We have " welcome to country ceremonies " at political event's, sporting events. And what is the famous definition of insanity Jim, trying the same thing over and over again and getting the same result. Give the Palestinians what they want. Again if the rockets don't stop, that's definitely the end of any hope for a Palestinian state.