Jeremy Hronek

3 minutes ago, Pears said:

We'd 100% have to add more futures for Couture alone lol but I think I would do it for sure. 

 
That might not necessarily be the case given Couture’s age, cap hit, and term.

#WhoSaysNo

To San Jose:

-Kuzmenko (5.5 million)

-Myers (6 million)

-non 1st round pick

-B level prospect

(11.5 million)

To Vancouver

-Couture (8 million)

-Rutta (2.75 million)

(10.75 million)

Pettersson-Miller-Boeser

Suter-Couture-Mikheyev 

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland

Hoglander-Aman-Lafferty

PDG

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Soucy

Cole-Rutta

Juulsen

Demko

DeSmith

-Rutta can play both sides and is a stay at home guy.  Can further add to our PK.

-That 2nd line of Couture, Suter, and Mikheyev would have three elite defensive players and could be a legit shut down line (with some half decent offensive potential).  

4 hours ago, HKSR said:

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.  $3.75M for 2 more years after this one?  Would be a fantastic value pickup for 2C.  I'd try and unload Mikheyev on them to get the cap space we need.

That’s one of the reasons why the Jenner rumour gave me a 4 inch erection.  Yes, Jenner isn’t the greatest player in the world and is a little bit injury prone, but that acquisition cost would be very reasonable (in contrast, guys like Guentzel, Lindholm, and ErikssonEK would cost a boatload).  

14 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

 

 

To piggyback off @Viking, Boone Jenner's exposure and trade value has never been higher.  And of course, guess which city's media has started to write articles about him?  That's right - Toronto.  Jenner will never be under the radar again.

 

@Jeremy Hronek, if you were Columbus, what would you want for a cheap, top-six power forward?  Surely you'd expect something more than an "under the radar" return.

I heard rumors that the asking price for Jenner was a 2024 1st, a 2nd rounder, and either a “B” level prospect or a 3rd rounder. 
 

@Viking

For me, a guy like Boone Jenner is someone that qualifies as being “under the radar.”  3.7 million cap hit + signed long term + wouldn’t cost us any of Podkolzin, Lekkerimaki, or Willander.  
 

Jenner could help our PK, and his expectations to help kickstart the 2nd line wouldn’t be nearly as lofty.

1 minute ago, HKSR said:

We would need cap space though.  Where do we subtract from to fit in a 2A/3 calibre defenceman?  Are we creating a hole elsewhere to fit in an insurance policy?

I would do Myers++

6 hours ago, HKSR said:

I dunno, I feel like Kuzmenko is starting to heat up.  Think about how many shots Suter has missed from direct feeds off Kuzmenko.  If our 2nd line is impotent, we can't just walk into the playoffs and expect to go far rolling 3 effective lines.  We need every line contributing.

 

Anyways, I do agree we need another defenceman, but maybe not at that level.  A #2A/#3 would be very expensive both from a cap and trade assets perspective.  I'd rather find another solid 3rd pair guy for depth.

I feel like we are already stacked with #4-#7 calibre dmen in Myers, Cole, Zadorov, Soucy, and Juulsen.  While all of these defensemen are more than capable of playing alongside Hughes or Hronek (incase of injury to one of Hughes/Hronek), I don’t think such a pairing would “tilt the ice” like Hughes-Hronek currently do.  
 

That’s why I think we need another #2A/#3 calibre guy so that we could still ice an elite defensive pairing just in case one of Hughes/Hronek got injured.  
 

In 2019 - many hockey pundits claimed that our team was too dependent on Jacob Markstrom.  In 2024 - I would argue that our team would no longer be elite if Hughes got injured for an extended period of time.  
 

As a result, I would absolutely be willing to consider moving assets for a 2A/3 calibre dman. Maybe Chychrun would be overkill but perhaps Tanev could be had at a reasonable price?

2 hours ago, HKSR said:

With that reasoning we really shouldn't be acquiring anyone then lol

I just don’t think we should be acquiring forwards (unless the plan is to break up the Lotto line).  
 

Even Auston Matthews would be hard pressed to create a formidable second line with Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Suter, and Hoglander as linemate options.   
 

On top of that, the Canucks are getting consistent secondary scoring despite their 2nd line impotence and so I don’t see a huge need in trying to acquire another top 6 forward.

If it was up to me, I’d try and get a legit #2A/#3 calibre dman to insulate ourselves if Quinn Hughes were to get injured for a long period of time.  

6 hours ago, HKSR said:

I think Novak would excel given more offensive minutes instead of 3rd line duties.  Clearly he's capable of more given his production last year.

 
I don’t doubt that Novak would excel with more offensive minutes.  What I do doubt however is that Novak + any combination of Suter, Mikheyev, Hoglander, and Kuzmenko would be a formidable second line (and hence, making it somewhat unnecessary to acquire him).

5 minutes ago, HKSR said:

What 3C?  I'm identifying guys in a 3C role on other teams that likely have more potential than that. 

 

Novak for example if coming off a 17 goal, 43 point season in 51 games.  That's 27 goals and 69 points over an 82 game pace.  Not saying that's what he will do, but being able to produce nearly 30 goals and 70 points 1 season ago, but being paid $800k right now is a huge value contract.

 

We've also seen that Kerfoot and Copp could put up over 50 points in a season as well.  Totally adequate as a 2C.  The way I look at it is we are not taking Suter or Blueger out of the lineup.  We're adding one of these guys and taking Aman (his 2 goals and 6 points) out of the lineup.

 Got it. . Sorry I was in the middle of editing my previous post as you responded.  I added a bit more thoughts.

Why would we need another 3rd line center when we already have Suter, Bluegar, and a more than competent Nils Aman?  
 

I like Novak but would any combination of him, Mikheyev, Suter, or Kuzmenko really move the needle in terms of creating an offensively dangerous 2nd line?

43 minutes ago, KingRaj91 said:

Would rather pay the extra penny and get an RD. Doesn't make sense to give up a chunk of assets to get a LD.

My line of thinking is that we already have Hronek + have Willander waiting in the wings.  Chychrun can also play both sides.

1 hour ago, Miss Korea said:

With a full year having passed, it's not a bad time to reflect on the chaotic season that was the 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks.  With Bruce Boudreau having been brought in before the new management regime, the relationship was destined to fail.  And when the Canucks began the season with a brutal 7-game losing streak, it became clear to both management and fans that he was the wrong coach for this team.  But surprisingly... he held onto the job for another 3 months, with little improvement and several public criticisms from Jim Rutherford.

 

During that December-January swing, the Canucks were truly the talk of the league.  It became abundantly clear what was happening - Boudreau knew he was getting fired, but had to continue on anyway as a lame duck.  Everyone in the hockey community had something to say about what was happening.  Everything else (ie. the Bruins historic season or McDavid's insane production) took a backseat to what was going on in Vancouver.

 

At the time, all the fans took sides.  Some supported Boudreau.  Others supported management.  Some believed the media fairly criticized the organization, while others believed they were unfair and not giving the new coach (Tocchet) a fair start.  It was a very emotional time for everyone - Boudreau, the players, and the fans.  Our captain would get traded just seven days later.  From there, things began to settle down with the new coach - the nightmare season ended quickly and mercifully.

 

And I'll leave it there.  Obviously a lot has changed, and so have our thoughts about what went down a year ago.  Some people probably haven't thought about it all since - understandable, given the way our year has gone.  So discuss: Who did you blame back then, and has anything changed your opinion over the past year?

 

 Aquilllini was the only man at fault.  The President and GM should have been hired first, and then they should selected their own coach.  Aqua put both Rutherford and Alvin in a very difficult spot.

Acquiring a top tier second line player won’t do us any good because said player will have to play alongside two of Suter, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, or Hoglander……which for a second line, is sub-par linemates.  
 

As a result, the Canucks would have to illogically break up the Lotto Line. 
 

Our 2nd line sucks but it’s not really a problem since all of our other current lines produce consistent offense.

The Canucks’ real need is a #3/#2A defenseman that can form an elite pairing with Hronek on the top pairing just incase Hughes were to get injured.  Jakob Chychrun is the guy we should target.

Double post

3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It was an honour to watch you play these past 6 years.  I hope you enjoy the rest of your career and your life in the Big Apple.  Cheers to you my friend...   

 

To New York Rangers:

Elias Pettersson

 

To Vancouver:

Mika Zibanejad

Alexis Lafreniere

Braden Schneider

2024 1st round pick

 

Of course with Petey gone, we now have to trade his little buddy, Höglander...

 

To Minnesota:

Andrei Kuzmenko

Nils Höglander

Hunter Brzustewicz

2024 1st round pick

 

To Vancouver:

Joel Eriksson Ek

 

 

Lafreniere    Miller               Boeser

Mikheyev     Zibanejad       Lekkerimäki

Joshua         Eriksson Ek    Garland

Podkolzin     Suter              Lafferty

Aman

 

Hughes           Hronek

Zadorov          Schneider

Soucy             Juulsen

Pettersson     Willander

 

Demko     DeSmith 

 

Oh look, we still have an Elias Pettersson on defence, so I can keep my username...   

rangers wouldn’t give us that for Petey, lol.

29 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

they will ask for minimum 1st + willander/lekkerimaki as a starting point.. especially that 1st is going to be a late late pick as it stands

I think I would seriously consider Myers + 2024 1st + Lekkerimaki.  We already have Boeser as our sniper and we could always sign another sniper via UFA at a later date.

The Canucks have had a great season but we still don’t know how they’d perform if they lost Quinn Hughes. My gut says that losing Hughes would immediately drop this team from contendership.  Hence, we need that #2A/#3 guy that could mitigate a Hughes absence while still forming an elite pairing with Hronek.

To Ottawa:  Myers + ???

To Vancouver:  Chychrun

Pettersson-Miller-Boeser

Mikheyev-Suter-Kuzmenko

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland

Hoglander-Aman-Lafferty

Hughes-Hronek

Chychrun-Soucy

Cole-Juulsen

Demko

DeSmith

The Rationale:  

1. Although our 2nd line sucks, it’s not really a concerning issue since all of our other lines produce consistent offense.  In other words, we are still getting secondary scoring beyond our 1st line.

2. The Canucks are protected incase there are injuries to any one of Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Demko, or any of our 3rd line.  Kuzmenko or Mikheyev would still keep our top line relatively “elite” if there was an injury to the Lotto line while Suter could fill in for anyone on the Bluegar, Garland, and Joshua line.  Lafferty, Hoglander, Podkolzin, and Raty are capable of playing anywhere from the 2nd line to the 4th line.  DeSmith is good enough to fill in for Demko (unlike that thespian Spencer Martin)

3. The Canucks’ only weakness is that they will no longer be an elite team if Quinn Hughes gets injured.  .  If QH goes down, we will not be in the same conversation as Winnipeg, Boston, Vegas, Colorado, Florida, etc.  The reason is that all of Soucy, Cole, Zadorov, and Myers are #4 calibre dmen at best.  We don’t have a true #3 or #2A.  Hughes is a #1 and Hronek is a #2, but there is too big of a gap between Hronek and whoever is our 3rd best defenseman.

Hence - I like the idea of bringing in Chychrun.  Chych can anchor the 2nd line and also play with one of Hughes or Hronek incase of injury.  
 

Hughes-Chychrun 

Chychrun-Hronek

So, getting back to my proposal, Myers + ???? gets you Chychrun?

55 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Yeah, it closed down. That sucks

I remember watching Mayweather vs Pacquiao over there in 2015.  Ditto for Cormier vs Jones part I. 
 

Also watched some playoff games between the Canucks and Flames when Michael Ferland was butt fucking our defensemen.

On 1/18/2024 at 10:48 AM, Blue said:

I swear we could acquire Morts Sieder and someone would still say "we need another defensman bru" 

 

 

I wouldn’t be one of those people by the way.  You don’t seem to have understood my argument.

My argument is not that “we need another defenseman.”  We already have enough depth from #4-#7.  
 

My argument is that we need a legit #2A/#3 calibre defenseman since there is too big a drop off in talent between Hronek and whoever is our 3rd best defenseman.  Soucy, Cole, Myers, and Zadorov are all #4 calibre dmen at best. 
 

While any of those guys could play with Hughes or Hronek in case of injury (to Hughes or Hronek), such a pairing would no longer be elite……and hence, ultimately resulting in a loss of a massive strength for us.  
 

So my argument is that if we brought in a guy like Chychrun per se, who could anchor that 3rd pairing, we could then elevate a guy like Chychrun to the top pairing and keep said top pairing “elite” even if one of Hughes or Hronek got injured.

My ultimate argument is that the Canucks, at current, won’t be an elite team is Hughes gets injured. While we could work around any injuries to Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, and Demko, we would be significantly hampered if we lost Hughes for an extended period of time.

While our 2nd line of Suter, Mikheyev, and Kuzmenko sucks, it’s not too big of a deal because all of our other lines consistently produce offense.

On 1/17/2024 at 1:27 AM, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Hey y'all! So, I'm originally from Vancouver (Burnaby), but moved to Toronto last August. I want to go to a bar here in Toronto to watch the Canucks vs Leafs on January 20th. I'm deciding between The Loose Moose which is an official Leafs bar or Crown and Dragon which is a small pub, but cheaper than Loose Moose. Both will have the game playing with sound. Help me Canuckians!

 

Thanks

Wayne Gretzky’s sports bar is pretty good.  A little bit southwest of Yonge and Queens if I recall correctly.  They serve pierogies!   I built up the courage to talk to a 190 lbs woman but got rejected unfortunately.

7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

To Anaheim:

Andrei Kuzmenko

 

To Vancouver:

Frankie Vatrano aka Frank the Tank

 

That's it.  Straight up.  Andrei for Frankie...

 

This trade has been 100% approved by Francesco Aquilini and Dan Riccio.  Bye bye Phil DiGiuseppe.  Hello Frankie.  

 

We can't win the Stanley Cup without our token Italian on the team.  Frankie is a major upgrade on DiGiuseppe.  He's having a career year and may hit 40 goals.  He is quick, fast, loves to get in on the forecheck.  He is a Tocchet guy through and through.  We also get almost $2 million in cap space to go after another forward this year to replace Aman on the 4th line.

 

Kuzmenko's value is almost zero.  We need to trade him before his value is negative and we have to add a sweetener...

 

Pettersson     Miller         Boeser

Vatrano          Suter         Mikheyev

Joshua           Blueger     Garland

Hoglander     Aman         Lafferty

 

Why would Anaheim do this?  What’s their incentive?

18 hours ago, Bobby Lou said:

With Sam Reinhart being a B.C native with family here and a capable C/RW coming up on UFA would you...

 

Let Myers walk and replace him internally with a Juulsen.

 

Let cole walk or resign on the cheap?

 

Move Kuz to accommodate EP40 and Hronek Raises... most likely one of Garly or Mikeyev gone as well to fit Reinhart in?

 

I think a combo of any 2 per line with whoever in EP40, JT, BB6 and Reino  be lethal for many yrs to come.

 

Does Reino take the JT sweetheart deal at 8AAV to come home and be on a winning team? 

 

Defense definitely suffers abit but we have a few guys in the pipeline. A guy can dream!!

Sign Reinhart to a Bo Horvat type deal and then trade Pettersson for massive picks and prospects to solidly our future.

:WAT: !!!!!!

Does Lekkerimaki and Willander get you Mason McTavish? [FYI - I wouldn’t do this, just pondering outloud].

To San Jose

-Kuzmenko (5.5)

-Mikheyev (4.75)

-Myers (6)

=16.25

To Vancouver

-Couture (8)

-Duclair (3)

-Granlund (5)

=16

Pettersson-Miller-Boeser

Duclair-Couture-Granlund

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland

Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty

Hughes-Hronek

Soucy-Zadorov

Cole-Juulsen

Friedman

Demko

DeSmith

Personally speaking, I’m not sure if I make the above deal since it might leave us too thin on defense.

Maybe just do Kuzmenko + Mikheyev for Couture + Duclair

Pettersson-Miller-Boeser

Duclair-Couture-Suter 

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland

Hoglander-Aman-Lafferty

PDG

Hughes-Hronek

Soucy-Myers

Cole-Zadorov

Juulsen

Demko

DeSmith

[maybe Podkolzin gets called up and plays with Couture and Duclair while Suter replaces Aman on the 4th line]