Jeremy Hronek

8 hours ago, kilgore said:

I hope Gaudreau is happy. As long as money buys happiness I guess.

 

He's the epitome of a player who's just in it for the greenback. So glad we never picked him. He got his big contract, and signed it for a team that will be below the radar, and he'll be able to make his fortune and walk down the street hassle free. Just pop in the occasional goal to not get run out of town (ha ha they couldn't if they wanted to now).  Chillax and float for the next 6 years @ almost $10 mill per in a low tax State, close to family.  What more do you want?  Oh.....that......meh, the Stanley Cup is overrated.

A part of me suspects that a large part of Gaudreau’s poor play stems from guilt over leaving Calgary. I could be wrong though.  Matt Tkachuk on the other hand could care less about having left Calgary imo (happy as hell to be in Florida and hasn’t looked back).

4-2 Canucks

Miller

4 hours ago, Hammertime said:

So Minni is finally taking their lumps. They appear to have a really good strat in place to be very good when those buyouts expire. Their D however is in shambles with really only Lambos Faber in the pipe Addisson is meh. I think they would listen if we sent them a package of prospects that line up with their timeline to rebound.

 

To Minni 

Hoglander or 2025 2nd and a roster player + Hunter  Brzustewicz + Aiden McDonough(Judd pick)

 

To Van Ryan Hartman

 

Hartman is in the final year of his 1.7m contract next season he bumps up to 4m. Minni somehow also needs to find cash for a goalie to split starts with Gusto and some D to dress next year. Hartman is a right shot C/RW who has scored 30+ and is a royal pain in the arse to play against. 

 

Obligatory roster to flame on.... 

 

Pete Miller Brock

Dakota Hartman Garland embrace the hate

Mik Suter Kuzz

Laff Blueger PDG/Aman  

Fond memories of the helmet heads at HF Canucks “bragging” about how the Minnesota Wild would be powerhouses now that Judd Bracket had signed on with them.  Lots of mediocre prospects over there biting boners on the farm.  Perhaps it’s safe to say that Judd Bracket wasn’t the second coming of Jesus Christ? 

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

He at least provided some stability in the regular season after a true goalie graveyard between McLean and Cloutier. 

I’ll give you that much. 

1 hour ago, Coconuts said:

Who aren't we interested in at this point?

Anthony Beauvillier.  

On 1/13/2024 at 1:46 AM, HKSR said:

Let's take a moment to appreciate the fact we have not had to worry about that position for nearly 2 decades.  Big kudos and respect for Ian Clark.  Thank goodness we kept him.

 

Here's a reminder of what things looked like in 2005-06 (pre-Luongo, Marky, and Demko):

 

Alex Auld - 67 GP

Dan Cloutier - 13 GP

Mika Noronen - 4 GP

Maxime Ouellet - 4 GP

Rob Mcvicar - 1 GP

Good god Dan Cloutier sucked a lot of balls when we needed him the most.  

In assessing this Vancouver Canucks team, the only real weakness I see is that this team is likely doomed if Quinn Hughes went down with injury for the long term.  We don’t have that #2A/#3 

calibre defenseman that could “step up” to the top pairing and still maintain that we have an elite top pairing even if one of Hughes/Hronek went down with injury. 
 

Now - here is what’s going to happen: Some people are going to respond to my post and say, “Soucy, Zadorov, Cole, or Myers would all do just fine playing alongside Hughes or Hronek……and to that, I would say, “Yes, those players are more than capable of playing with Hughes or Hronek and being decent………….,BUT, they wouldn’t be elite. They wouldn’t drive play or “tilt the ice” in our favor just as Hughes/Hronek are currently doing.

Quinn Hughes is the one player that the Canucks cannot afford to lose to injury. Think about it.  Mikheyev or Kuzmenko would easily be able to join “the lotto line” and keep the line fairly elite if one person got injured.  Similarity, Suter could fill in anywhere on the Garland line if any of that trio got injured.  
 

Then, you have all of Hoglander, Podkolzin, and Raty that could fill in on all lines except for the first line in a supporting role.  
 

Even in net, the Canucks wouldn’t sink if we lost Demko since we still have DeSmith.

Losing Quinn Hughes however, for an extended period of time, would single-handedly move us from being an elite calibre team to a middle-of-the-road calibre team since we don’t currently have a #2A/#3 calibre dman.  Soucy, Myers, Cole, and Zadorov are all solid defenseman, but they are #4 calibre dmen at best.  
 

That’s one thing about that 2011 Canucks team.  Losing any ONE player to injury wouldn’t have sank that team.  In 2019/2020, everyone knew that losing Markstrom (before Demko truly became Demko) would sink us.  Fast forward to 2024, and I now make this same argument with Quinn Hughes.

Using Myers++ to trade for Chychrun would help alleviate that in my opinion.

If you don’t want to pony up assets, for “Chych the bitch,” that’s understandable.  I would then suggest taking a look at Chris Tanev however and seeing if Calgary would give him back to us for cheaper (although at this stage of his career, I’m not even sure if Tanev would be considered a strong #3).

Remember how from 2011-2017, the media in Vancouver became obsessed with the Boston model and Boston’s sphincters?  Now might be a good time to temporarily go back to that mindset.  Boston are weak up front but are absolutely stacked on the back-end and there’s a reason for that).

Anyone feel a bit bad for Hodgson at this point?

I think we all know how his attempted comeback is going to go.  

29 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

@Bob Long@Jeremy Hronek @Alflives

 

So i had just enough time to dig into last season

2022-23

Jenner was on for quite a concerning amount of goals 5v5. 62GA however his expected goals against drop to 51. Hes a bit of a victim of bad goals… buuuuut….. then you look at the high danger goals scored against he has the 5th worst in the league that season of all players over 700mins with 40 high danger goals against. Thats 80% of the expected goals against being high danger. But then I look at his high danger attempts allowed and its only 220 and that puts him in the middle roughly. So how much of it is him? How much of it is goaltending? Cant say for sure…

I know +/- is a bit of a flawed stat because it doesn’t exactly tell the whole story typically…. But last year in his case, it kinda tells a bit of a truer story. -32 and LOTS of high danger goals against. But then again only 220 high danger attempts….What led to those high danger  attempts (dzone turnovers, broken sticks, bad coverage by anyone) is beyond me and wether or not goaltending played a bigger factor.

he has offensive upside, hes big, strong in the dots, seldomly turns the puck over… idk maybe Tocchet could work wonders on him, look at how Boeser has turned it around defensively. Jennercould just be trapped in a bad system with irresponsible players. He only makes us a deeper team with more scoring in the top 6 on a steal of a deal.

Good finds.  

I suspect it’s more of a case of Jenner being trapped in a bad system with irresponsible players.  Did he play with Laine much?

8 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Ooh I like Joel Eriksson Ek. 

I'd actually prefer him out of everyone. Only 26 yo. 

Plays the right way. Hard nosed game. Problem is salary @ 5.25m Locked up for several years though. 

I like Kuz but I'd trade him and a first for Ek immediately. 

You can even being Petey down and play him with Joel .

 

ErikssonEK would cost a helluva lot more than Kuzmenko and a 1st.  There lies within the problem.

Just now, AnthonyG said:

Its too bad we couldnt get one prime year outta him. Hes on the decline but would be a great placeholder to allow a little more development and slow integration for a C prospect to come up in a year or 2 and slowly work from 3/4C to 2C

Auty Raty.  

23 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Depends on the prospects. 

@AnthonyG

Pretty much this. If I'm Alvin, I hang up the phone and text sphincter pics if Columbus' GM's asking price involves Willander, Lekkerimaki, or Podkolzin.  2024 1st + B level prospect + 2025 2nd + 2026 4th is more than reasonable to me, given the nature of a seller's market.  The fact that we'd potentially have Jenner for multiple years without having to give up a Top 6 roster player would also be a huge advantage.  

13 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

At first glance His advanced stats arent too great…. The one thing that would be key is his FOW%. Jenner is one of those guys that I’m always like oh ya hes on this team. Aslong as it isnt a first, I’d be more supportive of it. But I’ll do a little digging and see what I find.

 

I think you'll be disappointed if you expect a 2024 1st to not be involved.  Deadline deals are always a sellers market.   

The way I see it, if the Canucks could acquire Jenner without having to move any of Willander, Lekkerimaki, Podkolzin, or a current Top 6 forward, then I think we come out with a win here......especially when you consider Jenner's cap hit ($3.7 million), and the fact that he's signed multiple years.

18 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I remember a few seasons back when Jenner came into Vancouver and dominated the game for a Columbus win. That said I think Higgy is right that at 30 years old the price discussed is way to high. I just don't know if Jenner is still a top 6 player.  PA has the advantage of waiting out the many deals he probably has cooking. 

The problem is that all of these guys are going to be expensive, whether it's Lindholm, Crouse, etc.   

In the case of Lindholm, not only would he be expensive, but we wouldn't be able to keep him beyond this season.

A lot of these other guys would likely cost us one of Lekkerimaki, Kuzmenko, or Podkolzin.  

So, in the case of Boone Jenner, if it only costs us a 2024 1st, a middling prospect, and a 2nd and a 3rd, I don't think that would be too unreasonable given the market.  

Jenner is currently 30, and his contract will expire at age 33.......which I don't think is *that* bad.  Jenner can help us on the PK and chip in some offence.  Furthermore, Jenner's presence would allow Suter to move to the 4th line.  It's also within reason that a 2nd line of Mikheyev-Jenner-Kuzmenko could possibly start 'clicking' and producing offence.  Jenner would also give us some options just in case we split up the Lotto line.

Pettersson-Miller-Boeser

Mikheyev-Jenner-Kuzmenko

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland

Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty

Aman

Hughes-Hronek

Soucy-Myers

Cole-Zadorov

Juulsen

Demko

DeSmith

1 hour ago, D-Money said:

For what it’s worth, Eriksson Ek’s name gets floated here: https://thecanuckway.com/posts/vancouver-canucks-trade-minnesota-wild-joel-eriksson-ek-rumor-01hkzqm4mpwk

 

I’ll start off by saying the article seems a bit low quality, and that I doubt Minny would trade him. That said…if there is any possibility at all that he could be made available, I’d sell the farm for him. He’s exactly what the Canucks need - a top-10 Selke vote guy, who can anchor a 2nd shutdown line, while the Lotto line does its thing. And he’s locked up through his prime for only $5.25M.

 

Kuzmenko + Lekkerimaki + Raty + 2024 1st

-for- Eriksson Ek

 

I’m not entirely sure if I’d make that deal since you’d pretty much have to break up the Lotto line to maximize the acquisition.  Why?  Because - if Miller, Pettersson, and Boeser are all playing on the same line (with Joshua, Garland, and Bluegar on another), then Eriksson-Ek’s only linemate options would be Hoglander, Mikheyev, or Suter……which, while would be great in terms of utilizing Eriksson EK’s defensive skills, would likely not fairly maximize his offensive talents (ie for example, would you expect a line of Hoglander-ErikssonEK-Mikheyev to be a dangerous 2nd line scoring threat?).

Minnesota are also already short at center depth and so I don’t see why they make this deal.

Hence, I’d likely be more interested in Boone Jenner (the rumored deal).  Jenner has a lower cap hit and his acquisition cost likely wouldn’t cost us Lekkerimaki or Willander.

9 hours ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

  

 

Just say no to Boone “I broke a nail, gonna be out for 5 weeks” Jenner.  

I was actually looking at Jenner’s cap hit ($3.7 million + 3 more years), and his games played per season. It’s not as bad as I thought. Yes he has missed about 10 games in multiple seasons but it’s not an awful amount.

I might have had a change of heart here.  That is an excellent cap hit and Jenner would definitely fill a need.  Hopefully, the rumored acquisition cost isn’t as high as we are making it out to be.

24 minutes ago, Crabcakes said:

Only that Minny has just re-signed him to an attractive 4 year contract with a NMC (as you have said).  He's 32 it'll see him to retirement.  He's definitely in their short/mid term plans (what ever they may be).  I don't see much desire on Minny's part to move him.

Basically this.  
 

I think this is why Alvin is interested in someone like Jordan Greenway instead.

6 hours ago, RomanPer said:

This is my first (and probably last) trade proposal. Actually, it's more like - "would you do it?" question. Would you ship Petey and D-Petey (perhaps + another sweetener) to New Jersey for Jack and Luke? While Petey is playing some of the best hockey of his life, Jack to me looks pretty comparable to him.

Petey and Jack aren’t comparable since Jack has a sweetheart cap hit of 8 million that will be locked in for a long time.  Petey, on the other hand, will likely have a 10.5-11 million dollar cap hit from next season onwards.  
 

NJ has Jack and Luke and will likely try and make a big push for Quinn when Quinn becomes a UFA.

I have a better chance of dating Elton John than the Canucks do in landing Jack Hughes.

14 hours ago, Alflives said:

The fact remains Gillis was both president and GM during our club’s most successful era. This is not arguable. 

Very true but most of that team was assembled by Burke-Nonis.  That’s not to say that Gillis didn’t play a key role (ie Torres, Malhottra, Lapierre, Hamhuis), but most of those guys were Burke-Nonis drafted and/or acquired.

With our current team, all/most of our core players were drafted or traded for by Benning (Lotto line + Garland + Hoglander + Hughes + Myers + Demko + Podkolzin).  
 

My opinion is that both Gillis and Benning made some solid moves that were ultimately overshadowed by some concerning red flags (Benning with his pro scouting and signings / Gillis with his drafting and some questionable trades post 2011 SCF). 
 

But - to me, it’s like who cares?  Neither Gillis nor Benning are relevant to Canucks hockey in 2024.  About as relevant as my grandmother’s penis.

Ultimately, the Canucks have an excellent team and an excellent opportunity in front of us.  The first time since 2012.  Makes more sense for the conversations to revolve around this year rather than the GM’s of yesterday-year.

1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:

don't forget

 

Shirokov-Gaunce-Rodin

Connauton Subban

Lack

 

Should be back in the finals in no time. 

is that Hunter Shinkaruk or Pavel Bure?  

38 minutes ago, RWJC said:

That’s the rub. I can’t imagine we will keep the lotto line running through the playoffs though. Will need to balance out scoring or offset injury, hence likely why PA has openly discussed looking for a proven legit top 6.

 

Just throwing this out there but would not surprise me if we pursued Patrik Laine and Adam Peeke as a package. Laine might be a tough fit in a RT system and a high cap hit, but for the right cost to our asset pool, it may be something explored? He has skill, size, speed and can play all 3 F positions. Just lacking on D and commitment/consistency.

i think he has a huge ego and coming to a club like the Nux are now would allow that ego to prove himself on the ice. Could be another Hronek type acquisition in terms of value if he panned out.

Think we’d have to be sending back Kuz, 1st, and two solid prospects. 

all of that said, I would still pursue someone else. We will have ample cap space in addition to current status to go after whomever if we deal out Kuz. Exciting times

Laine would be interesting for sure but it would be quite risky.  Potential high risk high reward?

To CBJ:  Kuzmenko + Myers

To Van:  Laine + Peeke

Cap hits would work to be almost identical (I’m just doing some rough math).  

10 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Maybe we should try for Horvat at 50% retained instead! 

can’t see it. Jenner isn’t what we need as a priority. PA is looking for a top 6 that can finish and will pay accordingly for it. Jenner would be a pricey luxury that I think the assets spent would be better served on someone else. 

That said, could def see us attempting to secure Guentzel as a rental but he’ll likely go somewhere where he’s already interested in potentially extending. If not, the price point for him might actually be within our realm. 
 

Henrique would also be a decent option on an expiring contract and likely low cost of acquisition. 
 

 

Acquiring Guentzel would make zero sense if the long term plan is to keep the Lotto line together.  Guentzel, or any other “high ticket” forward, won’t be able to produce much of their linemates are any combination of Hoglander, Mikheyev, or Suter.

2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

only thing u can guarantee with jenner is he's going to be injured 10+ game every season and maybe more if he gets to the playoff

Just say no to Boone “I broke a nail, gonna be out for 5 weeks” Jenner.  

40 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Rather try for Lindholm, but what would Calgary want in return?

We can get Cody Hodgson for free. Send him to Abby and see how he does.

 
Lindholm will cost a pretty coin.  
 

I wish Hodgson the best but I don’t think things are going to work out for him.  Even if he was able to overcome that health defect, skating was never his strong suit and he’s much older now…..and the game is much faster.