Jeremy Hronek

11 minutes ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:

When guys call people things like clown and chief online. 
 

I never called him a clown.  Sorry if it came across that way.  

I thought what he said in that specific instance was clownish but I usually try not to insult anyone directly like that.  

23 minutes ago, Captain insano said:

Buddy thinks Lindholm is a 1c because in Calgary he played there 

Find me a quote where I said this.  

Can't find one?  What?  Can't find one?  What?  

That's what I thought.  

Thanks for coming out Chief.  

11 minutes ago, BabychStache said:

Why not Lindholm? 
 

1st line winger is much more important than 3C for this team. 

Buddy thinks Lindholm is a 3C because he played one game there.  

6 minutes ago, Dom said:

Idk if it's Guentzel, but me thinks a trade is incoming!!!!

I’ll be happy if it doesn’t involve Lindholm moving.  

53 minutes ago, tas said:

the whole point of bringing in top 6 help is so that you can put hoglander back down on the 4th line. he gave them their identity. 

Agreed, I love Hoglander.  Unfortunately, he might be the asking price (amongst other pieces) if we want Guentzel (which is ultimately why I’m hesitant in wanting to trade for Guentzel).

9 minutes ago, tas said:

they won't rob peter to pay paul. 

I hope you're right. 

2 minutes ago, Metal Face Doom said:

Yes it is.  When you're on pace for 90-100 points, large chunks is a stretch.

Pettersson's point totals this year has come in bunches, relative to the superstars that the above poster cited.   

Pettersson's consistency, or lack thereof, is definitely a significant concern.  The young man has a lot of talent but he's going to have to step if he wants to be full value for his contract.  As of this writing, he's not quite there. 

Just now, tas said:

they want nhl ready. 

Hoglander is probably a goner in that case.

On 3/5/2024 at 7:11 PM, 43isprime said:

 

Looking at 10-game rolling averages over the entire season, Pettersson has 16 such stretches where he averages under 1 point per game. MacKinnon has 2. McDavid has 6. Nylander has 5. Matthews has 8. Pastrnak has 1. 

 

Star players can go pointless in particular games, but they don't go long stretches with subpar play.

I hate to admit it but everyone in this thread should be paying attention to this post right here.  This is absolutely one reason why I’m a bit nervous about this contract to Petey. I like the player and I like the term, but he’s not a franchise player as of this writing and the statistics above is living proof.

On 3/5/2024 at 6:05 AM, Metal Face Doom said:

"Large chunks' is a stretch.

No…..it really isn’t.

7 hours ago, ABNuck said:

I understand what they are, I just don't understand "WHY" they are. Is the intention to force all people in a certain geographical area to become a fan of a certain team? They call it "protection"...but what exactly are they protecting? There's zero revenue stream to be protected. Basically if I can't watch the Canucks, I'm not watching other teams, so they lose my money...so what are they protecting?

 

I live in Alberta and CANNOT watch Canucks games no matter how much I pay. I purchased SportsNet+ and have been able to watch exactly ONE Canucks game since January (not counting the ones they graciously stream on Saturday nights that I can watch for free on CBC anyways). So I've cancelled my subscription...they lose, not me.

 

If there was no blackouts I'd gladly pay whatever they want to charge so I can watch...so technically they're losing money. I just don't get the business decision by the NHL.

 

Can anyone explain why they do this?

I'm in the same boat.  

Living in China and haven't been able to watch much games due to "regional blackouts" despite having paid a hefty price for Sportsnet 360+.  

Trust me - if Terrorists decide to blow up Sportsnet 360 one day and the executive team, you will not see me shed a single solitary tear.  

@43isprime has pretty much said everything that I’ve wanted to say in this thread.  
 

My work in this thread is pretty much done, nothing to see here folks.

On 3/3/2024 at 10:37 PM, MeanSeanBean said:

That's certainly an opinion 

A logical opinion based on very good reasoning.

41 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

nope my goal is next 5 season. we are desperate for a top 6 star semi star to play along side of EP.. top 6 star forward don't appear on market often.. there's only reinhart and guentzel this coming season that's notable.. and a 34 year old stamko.. you either get those thru trades or home grown.. we don't have any home grown that's ready for top 6 anytime soon that u can say will guarantee have success..if u can get one u get one otherwise next season we are still going to be lacking a top 6 winger.. 

How would this work from a cap standpoint?

Letting Myers go would be a given obviously but who else do we let go?  We sign Guentzel and Hronek but who else would we be able to retain?  This plan could work but would it be contingent on guys like Hirose, Raty, and Podkolzin cracking the line-up on ELC’s (assuming that POD isn’t moved in a potential Guentzel deal).  

17 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

nope my goal is next 5 season. we are desperate for a top 6 star semi star to play along side of EP.. top 6 star forward don't appear on market often.. there's only reinhart and guentzel this coming season that's notable.. and a 34 year old stamko.. you either get those thru trades or home grown.. we don't have any home grown that's ready for top 6 anytime soon that u can say will guarantee have success..if u can get one u get one otherwise next season we are still going to be lacking a top 6 winger.. 

It’s a fair enough point but then be prepared to say haastellavista to Lekkerimaki.  I don’t think Pits is going to want Podz or any prospect at or below that calibre.  
 

Nils Hoglander is quickly working his way up the ranks imo.

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser (Sc1)

Mikheyev-Lindholm-Suter (shut down)

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland (Sc2)

Podkolzin-Lafferty-Hoglander (Hogs consistently producing and driving this line just as he has all year).

Hughes-Hronek

Soucy-Myers 

Cole-Zadorov

Juulsen

Demko

DeSmith

This is and was my vision of this team when we initially traded for Lindholm but management (and the fans) decided to turn heel on me it seems.

5 hours ago, Hammertime said:

Suter Miller Brock

Hog Pete Pod I'm here for it. I hope it's tried. Could Pete be a mentor? I think we can get them some pretty prime ice.

Dak Blueger Garland don't touch it. 

Malenstyn Lindholm Mikheyev" sit down shut up and listen line".

 

Another suggestion would be 

Lafferty Pete Mikheyev they've been very good together. 

 

I would love to see 4 lines each with an identity depending on the game situation could be the go to line. Instead of hard matching Miller maybe there's more to be gained by getting our top 6 fewer and better quality minutes.

-Put Suter on that Lindholm line

-Put Petey on Miller/Brock

-Lafferty or maybe even Raty between Hog and Podz

6 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

So, I'm not about to call this trade a bust at this point, but I do feel like I need to see the Lindholm that we paid for, emerge tonight.

 

The guy that I've seen so far, I think of as worth Kuzmenko and maybe a 3rd rounder.

 

I want to see the guy we really paid out for start to emerge again and not just for a flashes, I want to see a whole game where he drives the play at both ends.

 

The Canucks brass, for whatever reason, created a problem that never existed in the first place.

Prior to the Lindholm trade, we already had two lines that could consistently score (Lotto Line and Garland’s line).  Three lines when you consider that Hoglander was driving the 4th line and consistently scoring.

Yes our 2nd line of Mikheyev, Suter, and Kuzmenko was completely useless but it was a non-issue given the above.

In theory, Lindholm should have been an excellent addition for us because he could have taken that Suter/Mikheyev line, and turned it into a supreme shut down line.  Mikheyev and Suter, despite their offensive impotency, are among the best defensive players in the league.  Ditto for Lindholm even when his offense isn’t up to par.

USE THAT!

Instead, our coaching staff became obsessed with Pettersson and Lindholm forming a man on man penis on penis relationship with one another in hopes of creating a baby (to address an issue which never existed in the first place).  
 

Even now, it’s not too late.  
 

1. Reunite the Lotto Line

2. Podkolzin with Bluegar/Garland until Joshua comes back. 
3. Let Hoglander continue to dominate on the 4th line.  
 

Mikheyev-Lindholm-Suter, much like me during my college days, probably won’t be able to score much, but this line would be among the best shut down lines in the league.

26 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

well the management is already signed miller who's even older to long term so it's pretty much all in the nxt 5-6 years anyways. edmonton is hot and cold.. they look good some night they look horrible other night.. and rely on their PP.. take away their PP int he playoff? they are not that scary.. vegas?? stone prolly won't be back till the 2nd round at least.. and their goaltending is still a question mark.. at this rate thy might end up as the 1st wc and play colorado winnipeg or dallas

My concern with Guentzel is that he might not age well since he’s diminutive in nature but tend to play bigger than his size…..and he already has some minor issues with frequent injuries.  
 

Lindholm’s exceptional defensive play and faceoff abilities would be far handier for us, nevermind considering the fact that Lindholm can also play center (just in case one of Petey or Miller go down with injury).

Maybe you’re right about Vegas and Edmonton, but I still think there are too many other teams better than us (Colorado, Winnipeg, Florida, etc.)

To your idea however - if the goal is to make an aggressive push for this season, then I’d be willing to bring in Guentzel but keep Lindholm…..perhaps using Mikheyev and possibly Lekkerimaki as starting points (I personally wouldn’t want to go down this route however).    
 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser (primary scoring)

Mikheyev-Lindholm-Suter (elite shut down line taking on tough defensive match-ups)

Joshua-Bluegar-Garland (secondary scoring)

Hoglander-Lafferty-Podkolzin 

Move Lindholm to the top line if someone from Lotto line gets hurt.

Move Hog or Podz to Bluegar line if someone from that line gets hurt.

Lotto line and Joshua line get more offensive deployment if Lindholm line continuously proves that it can take on the most challenging defensive assignments (which I think they can).

36 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

 

This is why Vancouver should have just kept Dickinson 

seems like Dickinson > Lindholm at this point

Lindholm is a good player - we just haven’t been using him in the correct manner imo.  
 

Prior to his arrival, the Canucks had absolutely zero issue with secondary scoring, and yet created this entire false narrative that we needed to split up the Lotto Line long term.

Suter-Lindholm-Mikheyev should have been a shut dow line right from Day One.

OR

Putting Miller/Petey together with Lindholm/Boeser anchoring a different line.

3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

if we move all those asset for lindholm and then walk from it.. i rather just add a podz or something assuming they re-sign guentzel so we ain't walking away empty handed. we gave up way too much and say we get bounced in the first round and then lindholm walk.. it's kinda diasterous asset management wise

Perhaps management has a different view but I’m not seeing a cup winner with this team even with Guentzel.  I absolutely can’t see us getting by Vegas or the Oilers in the 2nd round, or a Winnipeg/Colorado in the 3rd round.  Even our first round will go 6-7 games imo with a realistic possibility of us being bounced. I know fans won’t like what I just said, and I’ll gladly eat Ryan Reaves poo if I’m wrong, but it’s just how I see it.  This team is fucked if any one of Miller, Hughes, or Demko go down with injury.  
 

IF we do Lindholm/Podz for Guentzel (signed before he arrives?) then I’d somewhat be on board with this, but we’ll have basically given up Podz, Hunter, Jurmo, and a 2024 1st all for Guentzel (29 years old……and will be looking for a long term deal).

I know Podkolzin has been slow in his development but I think there’s something there with him.  With OEL’s cap hit going to hit its peak over these next few years, we could use Podkolzin’s ELC.

1 hour ago, chris12345 said:

I'm the only human being alive that finds swift unattractive.

I think she’s “ok” but definitely not hot. I wouldn’t label her as unattractive however.  She’s more Brock Boeser calibre as opposed to a Connor McDavid or Nathan Mackinnon.

56 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

it doesn't matter if lindholm is excellent at faceoff or good defensively.. our 3rd line of bluegar garland and joshua did just fine when healthy.. if lindholm is not producing and not playing in the top 6.. canucks doesn't have the depth to be paying 14.55mil for 3 players to play in the bottom 6. 14.55mil is more than some teams top line in this league.. so when joshua is healthy.. you have lotto line with PDG? joshua bluegar garland.. mikeheyv lindholm suter.. who the hell is playing with EP? hoglander and laffety?? pdg and laffety in your top 6?? while we have almost 15mil in the bottom 6?? heck the mikheyev lindholm suter line cost more than the EP line with hoglander and laffety and we wonder why EP struggles at times.

I agree with everything that you just said.  My Lindholm argument (ie put Mikheyev-Lindholm-Suter together) is for this season and this season alone.  After this season, I think we should move on from Lindholm regardless (he basically becomes our 2020 Toffoli).

Also, under my above scenario, I’d reunite the Lotto line while putting Podkolzin with Bluegar/Garland until Joshua returns.

At the end of season, move on from Lindholm, Myers, and Cole.  Sign Hronek, Bluegar, Joshua, and DeSmith to long term deals (I’m not sure if Silovs is ready). Find a pathway to elevate Podkolzin, Raty, and Hirose into the line-up next season if they are ready.  Ditto for Lekkerimaki.  
 

I don’t like the idea of trading for Guentzel and I don’t like the idea of extending Lindholm.

For this season and this season alone, make Mikheyev-Lindholm-Suter a shut down line, and let the Lotto line and Bluegar/Garland be responsible for our secondary scoring.  Let Hoglander continue to chip in goals from the 4th line.

34 minutes ago, RWJC said:

And how much are you paying Lindholm to extend with the Nux?

How much would you be paying Guentzel?  

For me personally?  I don't trade for Guentzel and I walk from Lindholm at the end of the season (Lindholm being our version of 2020 Toffoli).  

Walk from Myers and Cole, + sign all of Bluegar, Hronek, Joshua, DeSmith, etc. to long term extensions.  

Preserve our newly built depth on the farm and look for ways to slowly bring in Hirose, Podkolzin, Lekkerimaki, and Raty into our line-up.  Willander as well.