Jeremy Hronek

"the initial 2004 riots"

"the Canucks were up 3-1 in the series?"

These people (and the anchor) need to get their facts straight,  

7 hours ago, gwarrior said:

I remember that night. And I remember saying to my mom, "win or lose, there will be a riot". Then I sat in my living room, and watched it all unfold. It was like nobody learned ANYTHING from '94.

Why would anyone learn from 1994? Relative to most other countries, people in Canada do not respect the police or the military guard because they know that in all/ most instances, the police will act timidly.  Police are also under-staffed in Canada.  

4 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

 

Not sure how I feel about taking on that contract. That said, I am of the unpopular opinion that he's probably underrated due to how much flack he gets due to his contract. Still, that kind of massive money for a #2/3 level guy could hit the rest of the team's cap management really hard.

It would be a risk for sure but the Canucks have pretty much tied their fate to Pete's happiness and so we pretty much need to take a significant step this year......otherwise Petey may not sign here long term.  Boeser's cap hit will come off the books in two seasons and so that should help us substantially, but yeah, other than that, I'll have to admit that I haven't studied our cap situation in too much depth.  The Canucks will need to give long term deals to both Pettersson and Hronek and so perhaps Myers' contract falling off the books is a huge part of that plan.  

2 minutes ago, Truefan99 said:

Pretty bad take here regarding Garlands cap hit. He’s getting 2.5$ million too much for what he brings to the team. 

I'm going to disagree with this.  Give Garland Boeser's ice-time and deployment and you'd definitely see more production from Garland.  Garland got a lot of points with the Coyotes on the PP and was given ample time on the top 6.  

31 minutes ago, NHLer said:

Not sure if they're trying to move him though? Somebody needs to get the puck to golden boy Bedard. 

In that case, the asking price might be Tom Willander as a starting point (i.e. Myers, Willander, and Hoglander?)

On 9/27/2023 at 11:07 PM, -AJ- said:

Honestly, counting on Willander to become the 1RD is a gamble. Even more is assuming a short term deal will be enough time for him to become that player. Even if he becomes that good, it's likely he doesn't make the NHL until at least 20 or 21 and even then, it would likely take until 22 to 24 to hit his potential. Even if he becomes that player, it's probably at least four years away.

In that case, maybe making a move for Seth Jones makes sense?  (assuming of course that he'd be willing to waive his NTC/NMC).  Yes, Jones is a #2 calibre defenseman that gets paid like a franchise d-man at $9.5 million AAV.  Yes Jones will be turning 30 in a few weeks. But.....

1) That cap will be more palpable as the salary cap continues to increase.

2) Given the "warts" of Seth Jones' contract relative to his value, he could, at least in theory, be much easier to acquire than someone like Devon Toews, Brett Pesce, or Rasmus Dahlin.  

3) Seth Jones' underlying numbers were actually pretty good last year once Chicago's coaching staff moved Jones away from Jack Johnson.  

Myers, Hoglander, and a 1st? (or instead of a first, Chicago might ask for Tom Willander because they'll need someone to get the puck to Bedard from the back-end in the future).  

In terms of your timeline for Willander (i.e. possibly becoming elite 5 years from now), Seth Jones' timeline would likely fill that gap [or if Canucks move Willander as part of that package, then we'd have to keep drafting and developing obviously.  

Just now, NHLer said:

For sure. But top pairing RD are hard to get, especially since they missed out on Severson. I think the hope would be to find a diamond in the rough a la Luke Schenn but younger and have Hughes carry. 

I hear ya.

My biggest frustration in how we've handled Hughes for the past three seasons, is that we've had this mindset of allowing Hughes to carry mediocre defensemen so that we can artificially create depth for our other pairings. Can Hughes carry weaker d-men?  Of course he can.  But instead of doing that, why not try and acquire the "Brent Seabrook to Quinn Hughes' Duncan Keith?"   Now to your point, the answer to that question is because, "Top pairing RD are difficult, if not impossible, to get."  You are absolutely correct.  There is one guy that I have mind however. Seth Jones.  Yes, Jones is significantly overpaid, but his contract, in theory, should allow for his value to be lowered enough to the point where he could be realistically had.   While Jones has struggled at times in Chicago, he actually had pretty good underlying numbers last year when the Hawks finally moved him away from Jack Johnson.

Maybe Myers, Hoglander, and a 1st?  

On 9/28/2023 at 5:28 AM, Snoop Hogg said:

We have plenty of cheap options we can try before having to do something so drastic. I heard McWard’s name being tossed around and I think that’s an excellent idea. 

McWard is a good future piece but he's likely a #6 at best for this coming season.  No way a guy like McWard should be playing on a top pairing with Hughes right now.

3 hours ago, NHLer said:

With waivers opening up today and our RD still up in the air, thought I'd start a thread flagging potential waiver claim ups to help shore up our RD.

 

Stealing the list below from the HF boards - presumably we can ignroe our old friends Rafferty and Fedun. Coghlan and Miromanov are on my wishlist. Any others? 

 

NAME	TEAM	AGE	H	W	CAP	GP	G	A	+/-	PIM	XG(rel)	NHLGP	NOTES
Alec Regula	BOS	23	6'4"	203	775k	AHL: 51	5	16	+1	69		22
Nick DeSimone	CGY	28	6'2"	190	762k	AHL: 65	8	38	+28	38		4	4 NHL games last season
Dylan Coghlan	CAR	25	6'2"	190	850k	CAR: 17	0	2	-1	2	+0.36	105
Marcus Björk	CBJ	25	6'3"	203	775k	CBJ: 33	3	8	+11	42	+0.10	33	AHL: 44GP; 7G 8A; -4; 18PIM
Brogan Rafferty	DET	28	6'0"	195	775k x 2	AHL: 72	9	42	+28	42		3
Philip Kemp	EDM	24	6'3"	201	775k x 2	AHL: 71	6	15	+12	51		0
Steven Santini	LA	28	6'2"	205	800k	AHL: 64	2	8	+8	32		123	4 NHL games last season
Gustav Lindström	MTL	24	6'2"	187	950k	DET: 36	1	7	-16	20	-0.34	128	Last AHL game in 2021
Johnathan Kovacevic	MTL	26	6'4"	208	766k x 2	MTL: 77	3	12	+3	39	+0.30	81	Unlikely to be waived
Roland McKeown	NSH	27	6'1"	194	762k	AHL: 60	6	16	+9	40		16	6 NHL games last season
Grant Hutton	NYI	28	6'3"	205	775k x2	AHL: 39	4	6	+1	16		16
Ty Emberson	NYR	23	6'1"	195	775k	AHL: 69	7	20	+17	27		0
Taylor Fedun	PIT	35	6'1"	200	762k	AHL: 58	3	8	-7	22		131	4 NHL games last season
Leon Gawanke	SJ	24	6'1"	185	775k	AHL: 68	20	25	-6	51		0
Cale Fleury	SEA	24	6'1"	205	800k x 2	SEA: 12	0	1	+1	2	+0.36	62
Brayden Pachal	VGK	24	6'0"	200	775k x 2	AHL: 55	3	12	+5	90		12	10 NHL games last season
Daniil Miromanov	VGK	26	6'4"	202	762k	AHL: 31	9	13	-9	10		25	14 NHL games last season

None of those guys will move the needle for us. The Canucks already have enough bottom 6 defenders and already have a #4 defenseman in Soucy, and #5 calibre defensemen in Cole (and perhaps Hirose).  They also have a #2 in Hronek, but Hronek isn't a stylistic fit with Hughes and so Hronek needs to be playing with Cole or Soucy (ideally Soucy, to which Cole would move to the 3rd pairing).

What the Canucks really and truly need is another top pairing RD to play alongside Quinn Hughes.  Soucy is a good defenseman but he's a #4 calibre guy.  

None of those waiver wire pick up would help us in any way. 

8 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said:

No one is tethering you to this team. Ride or die baby. 

@Canuckfanforlife82 - you do realize that the Canucks won the Presidents' Trophy in 2012 as well right?  (11 years ago).  

We finished 6th or 7th overall in 2013, finished Top 10 in 2015, and made the 2nd round in 2020.     

So I disagree with you that "our last great team was in 2011."

6 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Coaching staff trying not to kick him when he is down, but also are committed because Podz is too.

 

I really hope Podz figures it out. 

Give Podkolzin 2nd line ice-time and give him the necessary ice-time needed to find his confidence and grow his game.  Put him with Miller and also elevate Garland to that line.   

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier

Podkolzin-Miller-Garland

4 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Vancouver will probably be first NHL city to ever riot after a poor preseason....

With the type of people that live in the lower mainland now, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened (although I know you're being sarcastic here).

41 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

In three games, Canucks have been outscored 13-2.

 

Man, really hope those veterans are just rusty.

One of those games was 10-0 in which we iced a bunch of AHL'ers and some bottom 6 NHL players.  

4 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Problem is quite a few weren’t local. In fact IIRC there were quite a few who came up from Washington State with the intention of causing shit

They should have been executed as well.  

2 hours ago, RWJC said:

Documentary explores riot that followed the Vancouver Canucks' Stanley Cup loss

 

Filmmakers Asia Youngman and Kat Jayme talk about I'm Just Here for the Riot, their documentary about the night the Vancouver Canucks lost Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final and the subsequent riot. The doc, which will be screened at the 42nd Vancouver International Film Festival, features interviews with Canucks players, fans and people who took part in the riots.
 

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2268009539597
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Just_Here_for_the_Riot
 

 

At VIFF, I'm Just Here for the Riot takes a nuanced look at the fallout of the Stanley Cup mayhem of 2011

 

Kat Jayme and Asia Youngman’s new documentary humanizes figures who met with social-media-fed vigilantism and snitching

 

BY ADRIAN MACK

 

I’m Just Here for the Riot screens on October 2 and 8 at the Vancouver Playhouse, and October 5 at the Park, as part of the Vancouver International Film Festival

 

LET HE WHO IS without sin cast the first brick.

 

This is one of the themes we find in I’m Just Here for the Riot, a new documentary by Kat Jayme and Asia Youngman about the events following the Vancouver Canucks’ seventh game loss in the 2011 Stanley Cup. The city was possessed by a kind of madness on that balmy June night, immediately seizing the attention of the global news cycle. Sociologists and half-baked media pundits will never go out of work trying to figure out why. Cascading social ills, booze, poor planning, the madness of crowds, the observer effect of new technology and priming by the media, which wouldn’t shut up about the 1994 Stanley Cup riot in the lead-up to the fateful contest—who really knows? Jayme and Youngman wisely place their focus elsewhere. As Youngman observes, this was “the most documented riot in history,” and the film certainly doesn’t skimp on the breathless footage captured that night. But the real story here is the aftermath.

 

“This was one of our goals,” says Jayme, in a call just prior to a screening in Calgary. “If you were there and you watched things unfold, it was black and white: these people were terrible and there was no leniency, empathy, or understanding of the situation at all. But if you watch the film, I hope some people are conflicted. We wanted even the harshest critics to question themselves. You know, ‘I wouldn’t have done that, but I wasn’t there that night.’”
 

"What was really heartbreaking to learn about during our research were those who are still being affected, whose lives are still being negatively impacted 10-plus years later, especially when they were just starting out..."

 

Former VPD chief Jim Chu is on hand to crystallize the mood on the day after, telling the filmmakers that “if you’re dumb enough to do something stupid because someone wants to take a video of you, then you’re dumb.” Circular logic aside, plenty of people shared the sentiment, and law and order subsequently received a lot of help from a shaken public. It was a citizen-built online database that aided the police in their subsequent arrests. In retrospect, however, the events of 2011 were like a test platform for the worst aspects of social media: vigilantism, tribalism, snitching, mobbing, groupthink, contagion. A mirror image of what happened in the streets, ironically enough. Twelve years later, where are we?

 

“I think it’s gotten way worse,” says Youngman, joining Jayme in the call. “Way worse. I think this is just an early example of what was to come and what is currently happening. It’s like there’s a new villain every day, there’s a new person that we’re all trying to cancel, until there’s another news story and we all forget who we’re trying to destroy. And I think there’s this disconnect when we’re going on our computers and our phones and writing things about a person we don’t know, or speculating based on a photo, or what somebody else has said about them. It’s so common now and it seems like people don’t stop to think about who this person is, or the backstory, or their life experiences leading up to that point, or what they’re going through.”

 

This ground was ably covered in the 2015 book So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed by journalist Jon Ronson, who invited the filmmakers to New York for his contribution to the doc. In the mimetic theory of Rene Girard, scapegoating on a societal level is ritualistic, and Jayme notes that history reveals a pattern of public shaming followed by remorse, until the cycle repeats. In the case of the 2011 riot, significantly, shaming gave way to criminal sentences.

 

“A lot of them were really young people, and they made a mistake,” says Youngman, who was 19 at the time, was downtown right before things blew up, and openly wonders what could have happened if she wasn’t whisked home by friends. “Do they deserve to have their whole life ruined for taking a hockey stick and hitting something, or taking a water bottle from a drug store? Sure, it’s not great, but there are worse things that can happen in the world and I certainly did some dumb things when I was younger. They just weren’t documented and posted online.”

The film’s great achievement is in humanizing figures who were presented to and eagerly received by the public as piñatas.

 

For some, like Mallory Newton, whose brief moment of infamy lends the film its title, the crime was simply being there for a snapshot that went viral. (Not only that: it was also doctored by mainstream news outlets.) The case of Alex Prochazka, meanwhile, introduces all sorts of subtleties to the picture. A contrite and soft-spoken figure, Prochazka was a 20-year-old mountain biker whose professional future vanished along with his sponsorship deals thanks, again, to a single image. Doing nothing out of character, the extraordinary experience of Alex Prochazka is that he was both rewarded and punished in a single lifetime for being an adrenaline junkie.

 

“There was a part of our interview with his mom that we didn’t include in the film, and she talks about that,” says Jayme. “She wasn’t excusing it, but she said Alex’s job is to fly through the air on a bike. That’s who he is.” In the end, viewers should be impressed that the filmmakers persuaded anyone to appear on camera. Jayme, in fact, was fresh out of film school when she took a camcorder downtown on July 12, 2011, hoping to capture a little history as it unfolded. “Nobody wanted to talk about it,” she says. Reviving a “dream project” as a fully-fledged filmmaker 10 years later with a new friend and collaborator, Jayme discovered that sensitivities haven’t abated. 
 

“We had to build trust,” she says. “I give all of them credit because it was a very brave thing for them to come forward. What was really heartbreaking to learn about during our research were those who are still being affected, whose lives are still being negatively impacted 10-plus years later, especially when they were just starting out, had just graduated high school, or were at the start of their university careers. And again, Asia and I didn’t want to deflect and not hold these people accountable, but it was sad to learn that it was still affecting them, still having an affect on their lives and their career choices. That’s really shitty.” 

 

 

https://www.createastir.ca/articles/im-just-here-for-the-riot-viff-2023
 

 

Anyone that took part in that riot should have been executed on grounds of treason.  It's that simple.  

On 9/27/2023 at 9:07 PM, Theo5789 said:

 

 

He feels old and he looks old.

Nice double chin you fat fuck.  

On 9/17/2023 at 12:10 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

Hoglander, Myers, and 1st?

LOL.

Gets you Seth Jones?

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier

Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser [Podkolzin is a peacock.....you gotta let him fly!]

Mikheyev-Suter-Garland

PDG-Bluegar-Joshua

Hughes-Jones [Jones is overpaid but given that, he's probably the only legit top two d-man that could be realistically acquired].

Soucy-Hronek

Hirose-Cole

Demko

DeSmith

Ty Smith is on waivers?  Seems like just yesterday that half the "Quinn Hughes to NJ" proposals had Ty Smith as one of the pieces coming back our way. 

22 minutes ago, stawns said:

All the well adjusted kids are on the honour roll.  

Yes, most are, and you are coming across as a guy that is butt hurt that he wasn't on the honour roll (no offence).

19 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Dumba is even more of a defensive liability than Myers.  You're in trouble if he's in your lineup, let alone the top pairing.

Good point and I'll admit that I didn't know that Dumba had fallen off this much.  

One thing going for Dumba however is that it's his contract year and so he'll definitely be playing for something.  In recent years, we've seen how guys like Matt Duchene, Tyson Barrie, and even Bo Horvat elevated their games with the hopes of getting a big pay day (and then falling back down to earth afterwards).    

Having said that, I think I'm inclined to agree with you here. 

3 minutes ago, Captkirk888 said:

Not that I agree with this or you, Just bring you into the loop…

 

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/overdose/decriminalization#:~:text=Under this exemption%2C adults (18,Crack and powder cocaine

I appreciate this link.  Having said that, I think the laws are too lax.

1 minute ago, stawns said:

Every city on the planet, in all of history, has those areas.  That's simply the nature of large population centres.  

 

The vast majority of Vancouver is amazing, but you choose to focus on one small sliver of the city and make a value judgement based on that small part.

 

To me, that says more about you looking at the glass half empty than it does about the city.  

Maybe but I can only comment on what I see and what I hear on the news.  So far during my time here, I haven't heard or seen anything other than Taxi drivers deliberately over-charging foreigners with cab fare (and escort services which the government is cracking down on).  

2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

That's f*cking disgusting.

 

Executing a person for enjoying a virtually harmless, infact helpful to many natural substance. 

 

 

If a medical Doctor has prescribed it to a patient for medicinal-related purposes, then I would not have a problem.  

20 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Seattle residents describing the dystopian hellscape they live in. I guess we know what news station old smokie watches. 

 

https://reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/4WQf0B8kIy

I'll refrain from the childish name calling that you seem to be so interested in.

Let me ask you a simple question.

Have you actually visited Seattle within the last two years?   Because I was there in September of 2022 for the Seahawks-Broncos game (Seahawks home opener).  I'm not a Republican nor am I a Democrat.  I'm simply a guy that believes in Police, Military, strict Law enforcement, and Science & Technology.  Seriously - go visit Seattle and see for yourself as to what I'm talking about.  Vancouver isn't that far off.  If you enjoy seeing streets littered with homelessness, drug needles, poo, urine, open prostitution, with a beautiful scent of vape and weed, then more power to you.  If you enjoy hearing about leaders of Sikh temples being assassinated and 17 year old kids being stabbed and assaulted on skytrains, then wonderful.  But for me personally?  I'm sick and tired of it.  

Just now, stawns said:

So torture is your preferred method of punishment?

If it gets results then absolutely.  

Again, look at Singapore.  They are a democratic country and yet they implement very strict laws and punishments to discourage criminals and criminal activities.  No looting, no open drug use, no one "blazing up" or "shooting up" on public metro systems, no girlfriend/boyfriend violence at clubs, etc., etc.  North America needs to wake up as far as respect for laws and respect for the police goes.  It's that simple.