Jeremy Hronek

31 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

where the State Police will kick in your door and execute you for rolling a fat one...

The way it should be in my opinion.  

11 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

You too.

 

One more thing though, are you Smokes?

No, I am not.  

10 hours ago, 24K said:

Man you setting your bar low. If you go barbaric, go full barbaric. Try the Saudi method. Cut off the hands. 

 

/s

Canada at its core is still a democracy and so "the Saudi method" would be too extreme here.  I know you're being sarcastic here but I thought I'd address this.

My suggestion is that we emulate democratic countries that have a strong police and military presence and implement very strict punishments for law breakers.  Singapore is a terrific example in my opinion.  People there respect authority and you would never ridiculous looting like what we saw in Philadelphia.  I'm not overly familiar with South Korea and Japan but I don't see things like that happening over there either.  

8 hours ago, stawns said:

If that were the case, tyered be no murder in states with capital punishment, no?

There would still be murders but it would be significantly less.  

Maybe 'capital punishment' isn't even the answer since a lot of criminals out there don't fear a quick death.  

Maybe create more Guantanamo Bay's so that criminals know that more hells on earth exist?  (and hence, further deter criminals).   

Or, just keep it simple.  Find out what Singapore is doing (a democratic country by the way), and just emulate their style when it comes to policing and the justice system.

Again, I'm not saying that "they're better than us."  We do many things better than them.  In this one aspect of society however, perhaps we can agree that a country like Singapore is absolutely on top of things.  Even China (socialist/authoritarian, yes) which has over a billion people is very on the ball when it comes to controlling the people.  

Max Lapierre might be my vote.  

Our 4th line noticeably improved when he originally came to our team.   

Tremendous agitator and spark plug and scored some big goals for us when it mattered most.  

Lapierre was a dickhead but he was our dickhead.  

5 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

Don't get me wrong.

I'm from Canada and am Canadian - and proud.  

I'm extremely unhappy over what's going in North America, and am particularly disgusted by what I'm seeing on the West Coast.  

Seriously, take a trip to Seattle and you'll see what I'm talking about.  Vancouver isn't that far off from Seattle in terms of its problems and that makes me sad as a Canadian.  

Yes I'm living in an Asian country right now and I'm not trying to speak from a high horse. They have their own sets of problems....many of which we are superior at.  I can only comment on what I see unfortunately.  

If I make a statement that the Tampa Bay Lightning are better at hockey than the Vancouver Canucks, and cite concerns over our defensive depth, that doesn't mean I dislike Vancouver or am waving the pompoms of the Tampa Bay Lightning (from a high horse).  

Have a great day gentlemen.

29 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

You're asking more from the courts while expecting the wait time to be less. 

As posted, so that they can do their due diligence, to get a fair trail and process ...10 years for death row.

More police budget

These ideas would cost a lot

 

Do all drug users get killed in your world. Gotta be careful about those gray areas though right? addicted to opioid due to perscriptions and pain ....now on death row?

If you dont hate drugs then why target users? if it wasn't illegal then they aren't criminals.

 

 

Follow the same system that they use in Singapore.  Even China.

3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 

 

If you're that enamoured with state control cool.  We aren't.

Is South Korea a communist regime or is it Democratic?  What about Singapore?   Is it completely state-controlled or do they have a significant presence in certain important aspects?

I feel like we're running around in circles with these arguments and so I'll post one final thought before returning to the magic world of the Vancouver Canucks.

People in Canada and America do not respect authority and the police nearly as much as they should.  The laws need to be stricter in all facets. There needs to be a significant change.   Otherwise, you'll see more bullshit looting in places like Philadelphia.  But hey - if you guys are happy with higher crimes, cities smelling like vape, weed, toilet bowls, while littered with drug needles and "tent cities," then more power to you.  Perhaps it's ignorance on my part, but I don't see any of these issues going on in places like South Korea, Singapore, and China.   

#DefundThePolice #Weed4Lyfe 

Cheers.

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

I'd hate to see his music playlist if he's excluding anyone who's ever done drugs.

Lots of popular bands and musical talents in China and Singapore that many people over there admire.  Ditto for Japan and South Korea.  

The Mass majority of those artists have never done drugs.  Within their respective countries at least.  

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

 

I am curious why you hate drugs so much. So much that you want to kill those that use.

 

Will you be killing those that abuse perscriptions or get unintentionally addicted to some of the legal opioids?

 

 

I don't hate drugs as much as I strongly dislike many people in North America having little to no respect for the police and for the laws in our countries.  

In both Canada and America, we need

1) A few bigger police budget

2) Far stricter laws

3) Far stricter punishment.  

As for your last question, that's not a black or white issue.  It's a grey issue obviously and that's something that the courts would have to decide.  My only hope that is whatever the courts decide,

1) The wait for trial will be far less

2) Far less people in our prison systems wasting tax payers dollars

3) A right to a fair trial, making absolutely sure someone is guilty, and then giving them very severe punishment.  

Something similar to what they do in Singapore and China.  

2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Let's suggest a Canuck gets caught with some white powder (pretty popular with rich, young athletes).  You're advocating for the government to execute the player with little to no oversight?

Give him a fair trial.  If he is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then yes absolutely.  While tragic, doing something like this would send shockwaves throughout the country at first.  In a short amount of time however, how many young rich athletes (and regular people for that matter), will dare to get caught with this white powder?

2 minutes ago, Rook said:

So with the amount of people that spend years if not decades in jail only to be proven innocent after the fact?  Yeah let’s just kill them all . 

Legal system needs to be absolutely sure that they have the right guy.

Extreme punishment and consequences will deter a lot of the criminals from attempting to doing it in the first place.  

Does Singapore have any of these issues?  (to the extent that we do in North America?).  What about China?  

3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

you know people on death row spend more than 10 years on average in prison.

 

And you are suggesting this for doing something to their own damn body...

1. Change the law (far less time in prison as to avoid clogging cells).  

2. Yes, that is exactly what I'm suggesting.  

Just now, Goalie29 said:

 

In countries with human rights, capital punishment is far more expensive than life in prison as there are more available appeals (still incarcerated during process, more court time, more lawyers paid).

Change the law - get rid of this provision.

13 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Bang on!

 

The war on drugs has totally been winnable since it began and all we need is more police and to spend more $

No passive aggressive witty response to my 2nd point?    

I want my money back!

9 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art12.html

 

They should change this law in my opinion.

2 minutes ago, Rook said:

Or make these Asian countries where you live crack down on their own internal issues that allow the manufacturing of things like fentanyl to be shipped around the world. 

Agreed.

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

1)I agree to support the poilce. More funding needed. 

 

2)why not make it legal? it should be people's choice what they do with their bodies.

We could tax it, save lots of money on incarceration, free up our clogged legal system. 

Use that tax money for health care and more importantly on drug education, so that people make better choices and dont drain our health care system

re - 2:  Capital punishment (save lots of money on incarceration, free up our clogged legal system, etc.).   Re-invest tax money elsewhere instead of inordinate amounts of spending on drug education.  

24 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

Honestly, counting on Willander to become the 1RD is a gamble. Even more is assuming a short term deal will be enough time for him to become that player. Even if he becomes that good, it's likely he doesn't make the NHL until at least 20 or 21 and even then, it would likely take until 22 to 24 to hit his potential. Even if he becomes that player, it's probably at least four years away.

You might be right here.

If that's the case, then I would strongly consider making an even more aggressive pitch to bring in a Top pairing D.......like a Brett Pesce or a Devon Toews.  Normally, I would just say, "Be patient and continue to fill the pipeline," but this management group has made it pretty clear that they're trying to be competitive now (with their Hronek and Beauvillier trades, along with their UFA signings).   To complicate matters, this whole plan was implemented with Pettersson in mind and so the Canucks literally do need to take a significant step this season so that Pettersson wants to stay long term.  This plan is royally screwed if Petey pulls a Matt Tkachuk.  That, combined with the fact that Demko, Kuzmenko, Boeser, and "prime" Miller have 3 years or less left.

Just now, Rook said:

They’ve been shooting up and smoking crack in public long before the legalization of pot. 

And so why doesn't this nonsense occur in countries like Singapore, China, etc. 

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

 

You'll never stop it in Vancouver. A port city where 1% of the cargo is inspected. 

 

New designer drugs are too small and potent too. Hard to stop smuggling when one pill of carfentanil can do so much. 

You can significantly curtail it by......

1) Increasing the police budget

2) Increasing the severity of punishment so that criminals *truly* fear the consequences IF they get caught.   

Just now, stawns said:

Holy hyperbole batman.  I'm not denying Canada has some things they need to work on, but we're still one of the top places to look very in the world and we have some of the happiest people.

 

 

How long do you think this is going to last with the way inflation is going?   A 1BR/1B is what now?  2200 per month in Vancouver?    

Even our much vaunted medical system.  No country invests more into their healthcare than Canada and yet while we're "pretty good," in this regard, the ROI doesn't justify the investment.  Scandanavian countries, Australia, etc., all have significantly better healthcare systems than Canada.  Anyways, I'm getting off track here.  My bottom line here is that both Canada and America needs to step up.  Big time.   People down there don't respect the police anymore and this needs to stop.  

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Ok.

But I find that strange as you seem very proud of it.

 

Reading between the lines, you'll probably be able to figure it out if I continue to respond to posts in this thread.

Just now, Rook said:

The fact that you think gun violence is a work liberal problem is just asinine.  To top that off you think the problem with society is legal weed?? Are you being intentionally obtuse?? Or are you just a Freedumb supporter?  I haven’t met a smart one yet so I’m just playing the odds

I think gun violence is related to many things (both conservatism and liberalism are to blame).  Conservatives typically support the right to bear arms which often leads to school shootings, etc. Liberals typically tend to want a smaller police budget (which obviously gives way to more crime).  So no, I don't think gun violence is solely a liberal problem.  

And yes - I think legalizing weed was a colossal mistake because now that the envelope has been pushed, people will want to continue to push the envelope further. What's next?  Making Oxy over-the-counter?  Legalizing cocaine?   Less stringent rules, enforcement, and accountability.  Now we see people in Vancouver 'shooting up' on public transportation.