Jeremy Hronek

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

What country are you living in?

I'd prefer not to say but it's an Asian country.  

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

They should have a safe place to provide this, the world's oldest profession.

 

What country do you live in?

Agreed.  Street corners are not one of these places however.  

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Did you just read those things after watching sucker Carlson?

Do you live in Vancouver?   If so, how can you *not* agree with what I'm saying? I lived in Vancouver last year and made frequent trips to Vancouver throughout the 90's and 00's.  Compare Vancouver to what it was 15-20 years ago.  

Want to see something even worse than Vancouver?  Take a trip down the I-5 down to Seattle. I was there in September 2022 to watch the Seahawks home opener against the Broncos.  Drug needles on the streets.  Homelessness, the city smelling like a combination of vape, weed, and human waste.  Open prostitution on street corners during the day and night.  Numerous examples of rude and aggressive customer service due to workers themselves being stressed over tough living conditions.

This is just personal observation.   How many times do we hear about someone getting shot and murdered in Vancouver now?   And now this crap in Philadelphia.   I'm proud that I live in another country now........a country that prioritizes having a strong military, strong police, and having a huge investment in technology and infrastructure.  No homelessness, drug use, etc, in sight. No vape aroma ruining the city. Young adults are very respectful here for the most part.  Little to no crime because people fear and respect the police.  Clean air.  Affordable rent.  Relatively low cost of living. LGBT issues, while respected and addressed, are not seen as the most important issue in the country.  

People that support Green technology do so because they genuinely want to see us address Global Warming.........as opposed to numerous "fake environmentalists" in North America that only pretend to support green initiatives because they see it as a vehicle for punishing rich and successful people (i.e.  "let dem big corporations pay for it!").  It's a collaborative effort over here.  50% of the cars here are battery operated now.  

Those thugs in Philadelphia that chose to loot all of those stores would have never even dared to do that here because they would have had the living shit kicked out of them by the State Police and would have rightfully so been tortured.

Compared to this, I absolutely stand by my comment.  America and Canada are turning into 3rd world country trash, and they'd better step up their games fast.   

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier

Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser

Suter-Bluegar-Garland

Podkolzin-Raty-Hoglander

Hughes-Soucy

Cole-Hronek

Hirose-Myers

Demko

DeSmith

23 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Tanev is perfect. He was perfect when Benning  didn’t want him and chose to bring in a more expensive Schmidt and then an even more expensive OEL to fill the void. Stupid Benning. 

Agreed.

In retrospect, Benning's post bubble off-season was quite disastrous.  I think Benning got too obsessed with puck-moving defensemen and didn't fully consider the fact that guys like Edler and Tanev were the ones putting their bodies on the line on the PK and on defense. Guys like OEL, Schmidt, and Myers were pegged as "two-way defensemen" by Benning (which is why Benning believed that they could fill the void of Edler and Tanev), when in reality, these guys were stylistically closer to being "offensive defensemen."   None of those three guys are willing to sacrifice their bodies in the way that both Edler and Tanev did for us, and also did not provide that stay-at-home presence like those guys.  OEL did for his first 2/3's of his 1st season here but had a porous season last season since he couldn't train properly in the Summer.

In retrospect, here is what I would have done differently if we could do the 2020 off-season all over again.

1) Toffoli over Holtby 

2) Tanev over Schmidt

3) Markstrom over Demko 

4) 1st rounder as a sweetener to move Sutter and Virtanen

5) Sign cheaper back-up

6) Trade Demko for a 1st rounder to recoup the pick lost in the above Sutter/Virtanen deal

7) Use Podkolzin and the 1st rounder as part of a packaged deal to try and trade for Hampus Lindholm at some point.  

I don't know if my above idea would have worked given that Markstrom's body is and was starting to break down, but that's loosely what I would have tried to do.

In my opinion, the current Canucks are actually pretty close to being a Top 12 calibre team IF they get another top Pairing RD

Ideally, it would be on a short-term contract since we already have Willander in our system.

Here is how I see our current roster under 100% full health.

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier

Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser

PDG-Suter-Garland

Podkolzin-Bluegar-Hoglander

Aman

Hughes-??? 

Soucy-Hronek

Hirose-Cole 

Wolanin

Demko

DeSmith

So looking at my above line-up, you might be asking yourself (or me I guess) two questions:

1) Why do you have a ??? beside Hughes?

2) Why isn't Tyler Myers in your line-up?

1. I've put a "????" beside Hughes because I don't think anyone currently on our team is worthy of playing on the top pairing with Hughes IF we want to be a competitive team. Soucy, god bless him, is a solid defenseman, but should be playing as a #4 on a good team. Therefore, I think Soucy-Hronek would make for a very strong second pairing.  Same thing with Cole. Cole should be playing as a #5 on a good team. As it currently stands right now, both Cole and Soucy will be slated to play higher than they should.....and this is with a fully healthy defense!   And as we all know, no defense is 100% healthy most of the time...meaning that even more defensemen on the Canucks could be playing higher than they should.

2. In a perfect world, we would simply wait for Myers' contract to expire at season's end and then go after another UFA to make more efficient use of that extra cap, but the truth of the matter is that the Canucks need to take a significant step this season given management's plan and what's in front of them.  Pettersson has already more or less stated that he'll make a decision about his long term future here after this season. On top of that, not only are guys like Beauvillier and Hronek RFA's at seasons' end, but guys like Kuzmenko and Demko are only signed for 2-3 more years respectively.  Peak Miller probably only has around 3 seasons left as well.  So basically, given management's plan, we basically need to start being fairly aggressive with our short term moves.  

Since we have Tom Willander in our system already (a guy who has a reasonable shot of being a top pairing RD in 1-2 seasons), my solution is that we target a top pairing RD that has one year left.   I think the Canucks should trade for Matt Dumba, and then let Dumba walk at the end of the season (to which we then sign Chris Tanev).  Tanev then plays with Hughes on the top pairing until Willander is ready to take the reigns.  Tanev then becomes what Cole (should be) to us right now and moves down to the 3rd pairing to help anchor that pairing.  

So,

Step 1:   2023/2024 season:   Trade Myers + ??? to Arizona for Matt Dumba

Step 2:   2024 off-season:  Let Matt Dumba walk and then sign Chris Tanev

Step 3:   At some point in the future:   Willander replaces Tanev on the top pairing with Hughes, to which Tanev moves down to the 3rd pairing.

Why not just trade for Chris Tanev right now?

1. Although inter-divisional trades are not impossible, they are extremely rare......and we are not 100% certain if Calgary wants to rebuild just yet.  

2. Tanev will probably be expensive to acquire.  Better to just wait for the off-season

3. Unlike Calgary, AZ is basically a non-rival team and are looking for future pieces.  Myers + A future piece might make sense for AZ.

Updated post:  

Another idea that I have is for Seth Jones.  Yes, I am aware of Seth Jones' warts.  He'll be turning 29 in a few weeks and his AAV is $9.5 million. The guy gets paid like an elite franchise defenseman and yet he is probably closer to being a #2 defenseman on a good team.  I get all that.  BUT.....given all of that, his acquisition cost would very likely be much lower than someone like.......say.......Dahlin or Devon Toews per se.  Or a Brett Pesce (all three teams by the way which are competitive teams and will not be looking to sell off pieces for futures).  

In other words, Seth Jones could realistically be had in my opinion if Seth Jones would be willing to waive his NTC/NMC.  

Hughes-S.Jones

Soucy-Hronek

Hirose-Cole

That's pretty good no?   Jones plays here until he's 35 and then a hopefully elite Willander takes over the reigns from Jones at that time (to play with what would hopefully be a re-signed Quinn Hughes).  

Updated post #2:  

Another idea that I had was the following:

1) Trade Andrei Kuzmenko for a #2A or #3 calibre defenseman that can play with Hughes.

2) With Kuzmenko gone, take a calculated gamble on guys like Garland, Hoglander, Beauvillier, etc., "stepping up" with more responsibilities and ice-time.  

Now obviously, it's not ideal to move Kuzmenko but lets face facts:

-Guys like Garland, Boeser, and Beauvillier aren't going to fetch you a right-handed defenseman that wouldn't look out of place on a top pairing.  

-The Canucks are in no position to be moving prospects and/or draft picks to land a short-term piece.  

Update:  

-Islanders need scoring and could probably use better wingers than Palmieri and Engvall.    

-Pulock (6.1 million cap hit) has been replaced by Dobson as the Top RD.

-Kuzmenko for Pulock would make sense would it not?   

Update:  

-Kuzmenko to Calgary for Rasmus Anderson?  

Just now, Sabrefan1 said:

 

 

Ouch.  My timing is bad.  Apparently the Philadelphia city council just slashed the police budget by $33 million in June because they're facing a huge city-wide deficit of almost 3/4 of a billion.  At least it has nothing to do with social pressure.  Although either way, that's gonna hurt in their efforts to fight crime.

 

https://www.okayplayer.com/news/philadelphia-city-council-removes-33-million-from-police-department-budget.html

So I stand by my original argument.  Neo-liberalism and the radical left have destroyed, and are destroying, North America.  

4 minutes ago, Truefan99 said:

 

Trudeau and Biden seem to be nice enough people (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt), but neither guy should be Prime Minister/President.   

9 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

You just lit a match in a tinder box.  I'm taking the cowards way out and staying out of the upcoming fight that you're about to face tonight and mostly tomorrow. 

People have a right to express their opinion and I don't mind if people disagree with what I've said, but what exactly will their defence be?   Take a look at the city of Vancouver (of which used to be my hometown).  Gangs, violence, people 'shooting up' and doing drugs on public transit, the embarrassment of East Hastings, legalized marijuna use, vaping, and just all around pure stupidity.   

Philadelphia is a perfect example of why we need to #RefundThePolice.  Neo-liberalism and this entire stupid "woke" movement has crippled, and is crippling, North America.   

51 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

Huge Liquor Store:

 

 

Apple Store:

 

Lululemon

 

 

Foot Locker

 

 

Target

 

 

Here's a group of looter cars planning on who to hit next

 

 

America and Canada are turning into 3rd world trash countries.    Senseless crime, liberalization, homelessness, decriminalization, #defundthepolice, lax drug policies, etc., etc.  

On 9/20/2023 at 10:31 AM, PunjabiCanucks said:

With the trading of Pearson and with Poolman on LTIR- give me your 2023/2024 Canucks NHL Roster for opening night

Are the Canucks one Top Pairing RD away from being a Top 12  NHL Team?

I'll try and add a different element to this thread rather than post a line-up which will likely be similar to other line-ups in this thread. 

Without the risk of sounding homeristic, I think the Canucks would actually be a Top 10 calibre team this season if they had another top pairing defenseman.  

Lets have a look:

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier

Hoglander-Miller-Boeser (Mikheyev replaces Hoglander upon returning)

PDG-Suter-Garland  (Bluegar moves to 3C + Suter moves to wing if Raty makes team)

Podkolzin-Bluegar-Joshua (Hoglander replaces Joshua + Maybe Raty makes the team).  [pretty decent up front overall]

Hughes-???

Soucy-Hronek [very strong 2nd pairing]

Cole-Myers [very strong 3rd pairing]  Hirose is NHL ready and should be playing with Cole.  

Hirose, McWard, Wolanin, etc. [very good depth]

Demko [elitę starter]

DeSmith [good back-up]

For me, the only real weakness is our defence. 

Ideally, 

1) Soucy would be a #4

2) Cole would be a #5.   

So, if we could somehow bring in another Top pairing RD to play with Hughes, we'd be at or close to the Top 12 in the league in my opinion........which ultimately results in the Canucks having taken that "next step,"..........which ultimately convinces guys like Pettersson and Hronek to sign long term with us (which is ultimately what all of this is about).   

The good news?   The Canucks likely have that RD within our system in Tom Willander.  

The bad news is that Pettersson is going to make his long term plans dependent on how we do this season + the Canucks need to start winning NOW if they want to maximize the years they have Kuzmenko, Demko, and Hughes under contract.

So long story short, I think the Canucks still need to find a way to move and upgrade on Tyler Myers while simultaneously bringing in a (superior) defenseman that has a cap hit equal to or lower than Myers and is signed short term......so that we can walk away from said player once Tom Willander is ready.   

One guy that I have in mind is Chris Tanev but I can't see Calgary trading us such an important piece.  So - basically someone like Chris Tanev? (i.e. an aging top pairing d-man that can be with us for 1-2 years until Willander is ready to replace said d-man).   

D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Smyl

Adams-Linden-Bure

Miller-Pettersson-Mogilny

Naslund-Kesler-Bertuzzi

Burrows

Hughes-Edler

Ohlund-Salo

Jovanovski-Tanev

@PunjabiCanucks replaces Lumme (7th dman)

Luongo

McLean

4 hours ago, RWJC said:

What does the Vancouver Canucks’ lineup look like if Aatu Räty makes the team?

 

 

After a 10-0 blowout loss in their first preseason game, it’s hard to say that the Vancouver Canucks’ year is off to a great start. But even at the worst of times, there are always those who stand out, and at this very early juncture in the season, that player is Aatu Räty.

 

Nobody looked good against Calgary on Sunday night, but of all the players on the Vancouver side of the ice, Räty was probably the best. That continues a trend that saw him put up one of the best performances of any of the prospects present at the Penticton Young Stars Tournament.

 

On the one hand, Räty is playing up to expectations as the highest-ranked prospect remaining in Training Camp. Tom Willander, Jonathan Lekkerimäki, and that other Elias Pettersson are all off with their own 2023/24 teams already, leaving Räty at the top of the heap for the time being.

 

Even then, however, few gave Räty much chance of cracking the Canucks’ NHL roster this year. We already published a piece entitled “Is the Vancouver Canucks’ forward lineup pretty much already set?,” and based that thinking on the fact that the Canucks have four veteran centres, seven veteran wingers, and both Nils Höglander and Vasily Podkolzin all pencilled-in to forward jobs.

 

But if anyone is going to force their way into the conversation, it’s going to be Räty, and he may have already got a head-start on that process.

So, what happens next? If Räty does in fact push his way into and onto the 2023/24 opening night lineup, what would that lineup look like?

 

There are a few interesting scenarios to consider.

 

Räty as a winger

 

Let’s get this one out of the way right away.

 

If Räty makes the Canucks this year, it’s almost certainly as a centre. That’s his natural position, he’s the team’s top prospect at that position by a mile, and it’s arguably the position of greatest organizational weakness at this point.

 

Plus, there’s those aforementioned nine other wingers who are all-but-guaranteed NHL jobs. There’s simply no room at the wing, and certainly not enough to justify playing Räty there out of position.

 

In the past, this might have been considered the ‘easier’ path for a forward to take in cracking the big league roster. This time around, Räty is going to have to do so as a centre or bust.

 

Räty as third line centre

 

The most likely place to Räty to enter the lineup is as the 3C. The Canucks would want to put him in a position to succeed, and all those wingers we just talked about give them the perfect ability to run a scoring top-nine and slide a couple of talented scorers on either side of Räty.

 

What happens to Pius Suter and Teddy Blueger, the two UFA signings currently competing for the 3C job, in this scenario?

 

One of them either bumps over to the wing or bumps out of the lineup as the 13th forward. Neither outcome is particularly ideal, but it could be doable for a short period of time as the Canucks let Räty roll for a while.

Flanked by, say, Conor Garland and Anthony Beauvillier, Räty would have a genuine chance to put up some numbers, and if it keeps working, there’s every chance he could just stay there. Suter and Blueger are fine players, after all, but not of the sort that should block the natural progress of a blue-chip prospect.

 

Räty as fourth line centre

 

You could take a lot of what we said in the last section and copy it here. Räty as the 4C bumps one of Suter or Blueger out of a spot as Räty slides in.

 

But the 4C spot is a far less desirable one when it comes to giving the young Räty an NHL job. For one, it would undoubtedly mean fewer minutes at a crucial point in his development path. For another, it would almost certainly mean a decrease in the quality of linemates.

 

We can imagine a fourth line of Räty flanked by Blueger and Dakota Joshua as a fine unit that performs well, but it wouldn’t be a great place for Räty to continue to develop the offensive side of his game. With alternative options already present on the roster, if the choice is between a 4C job and Abbotsford, Räty should probably be packing his bags.

 

Räty as second line centre

 

Now, wouldn’t this be something.

As a prospect, most have said that Räty probably tops out as a 2C. So, why not let him start there and see if he can grow into the role?

 

Obviously, Elias Pettersson and JT Miller are fairly locked into place as the Canucks’ top-two centres. But Miller has played plenty of wing in the past, and if coach Rick Tocchet is looking to really mix up his forward corps, perhaps a scenario in which Miller pops over to the wing for a spell might be of some interest.

 

This could mean a reunion of the Lotto Line, or it could mean Miller on Räty’s wing. Either way, it’s putting Räty in the best position to succeed imaginable, while at the same time allowing the Canucks to start having a more long-term outlook on the centre position.

 

In order for this to even have the slightest possibility of happening, however, Räty is going to have to post some serious numbers in the preseason. Looking good on the wrong end of 10-0 losses is not going to cut it.

 

 

Räty as a temporary Ilya Mikheyev replacement

 

And now we arrive at our most likely scenario.

 

We’ve yet to hear exactly when Ilya Mikheyev will return to the ice following an unexpected absence, and we don’t know when that non-contact jersey is going to come off. The team has indicated that Mikheyev will be ready to go by opening night, but it doesn’t look all the certain.

 

If Mikheyev does miss time to start the year, and if the team takes the option of placing him on retroactive LTIR and thus opening up enough cap space for a replacement, it makes ample sense for Räty to be that replacement.

 

We’d still probably slot him in at 3C in this scenario, and slide one of Suter or Blueger over for the time being. Give Räty a couple of talented linemates and as much ice-time as the team can muster, and communicate to him that he’s going down as soon as Mikheyev returns, no matter what happens.

 

A nice, little no-pressure audition with a planned expiry might just be the perfect way to reward Räty’s preseason excellence while not rocking the pre-established roster boat; giving a leg-up to his NHL development without pouring too many expectations on him too early.

Or, he might get cut and have to try it all again next year.

 

There’s still a couple of weeks left to sort this out. But the possibilities are exciting.

 

 

By Stephan Roget

 

https://canucksarmy.com/news/what-vancouver-canucks-lineup-aatu-raty-team

 

 

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauviller

Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser

Suter-Bluegar-Garland

Podkolzin-Raty-Hoglander

I'm happy for Quinn but I personally would have run with four assistants.   

1 hour ago, toochmahgooch said:

Say by mid December and podkolzin isnt performing up to where we think he can, we're looking at tinkering and upgrading the wing/center position. Not sure if Podz will be anything more than a top 9 winger and were focused on winning right now. 

 

Van: Hertl (15% retention ($6,916,875)

 

San Jose: Myers, Podz, 2024 1st

 

Doesn't hurt us too bad long term. 

 

Thoughts?

San Jose says, "omg lolololol", farts in the receiver, and then hangs up.

10 hours ago, Strawbone said:

This is pretty much Xmas morning levels of excitement knowing that Canucks hockey is back baby!

 

44 years I’ve been watching or listening to nearly every game. It’s part of my life, a sort of comfort food for the soul. Just the thought of settling in on the couch for the evening to watch a hockey game is enough to make my day. 

Head is saying Henrik but heart is saying Bure.  

2 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Personally I feel like we are a soft team and a couple of things are missing from this team. They are a power forward with some toughness and grit. I would love to get Anderson from Montreal or an Anthony Mantha. The other is a big defenseman with offense who who can strike fear and contribute on both ends. Of course they are two of the hardest positions to fill but I think until we can add those two pieces we aren't going to be contenders. I could see a McDonough or Bains fill that role. As well as a Pettersson on defense who is playing Sweden but until they arrive we are short those positions. 

This team is in dire need of another Top 4 defenseman........and I'd even go as far as saying Top 2.  We need to get to a point where

1) Soucy plays in a more ideal #4 spot

2) Cole becomes the "alpha" of the 3rd pairing.

By the sounds of things, Alvin feels the same way as he's rumoured to be in on both Devon Toews and Nikita Zadorov.  

Toews in particular would be a massive win for us and would be exactly what this team needs in terms of what this management group is trying to achieve (i.e. taking a significant step forward this year so that Petey wants to stay long term).  

Toews-Hronek

Hughes-Soucy

Cole-[Woo, McWard, Wolanin, Hirose]

And then somewhere down the road....

Toews-Hronek

Hughes-Willander

Soucy-[Woo, McWard, Wolanin, Hirose]

Don't get me wrong - getting Devon Toews here is extremely unlikely but if Alvin could ever pull that shit off, we'd definitely take that leap.  

Myers, Podkolzin, 2024 1st would likely be starting points, but again, given what this management group wants to achieve, it would likely align with their goals.

2 minutes ago, sashimi said:

^^^^^ buddy looks like Loui Eriksson, lol.

5 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

I think you are looking at someone else's D group.

 

With the summer signings and McWard looking great, plus Woo , Johansson and Hirose all knocking at the door.Our D group looks amazing for the first time in ages.

 

Not to mention EP d and others.

 

Goaltending looks great.

 

Forwards needs one more big scorer and we are there.

 

Good points.   

While guys like McWard, EP, Woo, Johansson, and Hirose all look very promising, time will tell if they are able to make the leap to being Top 4 defensemen.....or guys that wouldn't look out of place playing on a top pairing.  A few years back, guys like Rathbone and Juolevi also looked very promising. Cole Cassels was supposed to be the McDavid kryptonite.  Prospects all look good on paper but you can't 'pencil' anyone in.  Up front, even Podkolzin is a question mark right now.  

Goaltending looks great for now, but again, Demko will be 30 years old in three years and will be a UFA.  The guy has also battled injuries all throughout his career.  We saw how far guys like Corey Schneider and Jonathan Quick trailed off.  Could Demko follow a similar path?  Silovs looks quite promising, but again, we still don't know.  

To your last comment "Forward need one more big scorer and we are there," I guess it just depends on what you mean by "there."  Would we be a playoff team and possibly a 2nd round team if all of the above went to plan?  Yes, I'd say so.  Would we be up there with the Tampa Bay's, Colorado's, and Vegas's? In the immoral words of Al Borlin, "I don't think so Tim."

Theoretically, Vancouver and Columbus should be excellent trading partners.  

1) Columbus, with their current players, should be attempting to 'go for it' by bringing in more win now players.

2) The Canucks should be looking to bring in elite prospects that can be long term fixtures for the next core.  

With the Hronek and Beauvillier moves however, it's clear that the Canucks want to move forward with their current core.  

The pressure is on.   Will Petey want to stay?   Realisitcally, how much of a leap can the Canucks take over the next few years with the following potential obstacles?

1) Demko has 3 years left on his contract before he becomes a 30 year old UFA.  

2) Kuzmenko and Boeser have 2 years left on their contracts

3) Peak Miller likely has about 3 seasons left before he begins an age-related decline.  

So even if the Canucks can become an elite team in three years, there's a chance that all of the above players will be no more...........and then you'll have Hughes with one year left.   

So while I'm supportive of the Canucks, I'm just not sure if I understand what the plan is.   

-Pettersson (fingers crossed)

-Hronek (fingers crossed)

-Beauvillier

-Silovs (???)

-Hoglander

-Podkolzin

might be our long term core pieces if all goes well but my frustration with the Canucks is that they seem to want to be competitive now AND rebuild which is almost impossible.  You can cater to both sides, yes, but you need to lean heavy in one direction or the other.   Before the 2020 post-season bubble, I fully supported Benning because I thought he was learning towards wanting to "win now,"........and then he let Toffoli, Tanev, and Markstrom walk (Markstrom was understandable since Markstrom's body was showing signs of breaking down).  The 2020 post-season was the time where we needed to be more aggressive in using sweeteners to move bad contracts and then having a mini-run with that core.  

Anyways - that's my rant for the day.  

With Management's current plan, we pretty much need to do whatever we can to keep pending RFA's Pettersson, Hronek, and Beauviller happy.   We need to find a way to make more efficient use of Myers' 6 million dollar cap hit, and then take a significant leap this season.   Our current defense is not good enough and is only one injury away from being one of the worst in the league.  

12 hours ago, Master Mind said:

Might as well take Jiricek and Fantilli too while we're robbing them.

Earlier this year in January, I absolutely would have done a Pettersson to Columbus type deal in which we would have gotten Jiricek, and Columbus' 1st.  I would have blown the whole thing up (Hughes, Kuzmenko, Demko for 2023 1st rounders at minimum, with Hughes and Demko landing elite prospects on top of those 1sts as well).  But such is life.

Prior to that at the start of the 2022/2023 season (before the train wreck of last season which should have prompted a complete tear down), I would have committed to Horvat and moved Pettersson for the simple fact that Horvat wanted to be here long term while Petey was noncommittal.  Trade Petey for a 'win now deal' that would have landed us a very good top four defenseman to play alongside Hughes, as well as a very good 3rd line center.   So, while rolling with Horvat, Miller and [good 3rd line C] wouldn't have been elite, it would still be pretty damn good.  But now, you'd have Hughes with an elite RD beside him which would be our version of Keith and Seabrook.   Canucks wouldn't have had the fire power up front with Petey gone, but they would have been far more well rounded with their new 3rd line C (that I would assume would be a strong PK'er), and an elite RD playing alongside Hughes.  

1 hour ago, RWJC said:

Avalanche Could Be Interested in Martin

 

Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman said the Avalanche might be interested in adding Martin. Colorado is looking for a goalie, as backup Pavel Francouz is out to start the season.

 

Meanwhile, Martin spent the past two seasons playing 35 games with the Canucks, posting a 14-15-14 record.

 

The 28-year-old previously played for the Avalanche, as the organization drafted him with the 63rd overall in the 2013 Draft. However, he only played three games for the club in the 2017-17 season, spending most of his time in the American Hockey League.

 

 

September 23, 2023 by Sartaaj Bhullar

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks-news-rumors-martin-pettersson-podkolzin/

 

 

To Colorado:  Spencer Martin

To Vancouver:  A bag of shit

Lets get errr done.

Just now, MeanSeanBean said:

Wouldn't this have more to do with the criminal charges pending over the NHL?

Ahhhh.

Yes you are correct.  My mistake.