eeeeeeeeergh

8 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

Again, that is a nice thought, but it is 100% fantasy. Israel will not move to have that happen. The hope that the 1.2 million Gazans born in Gaza over the last 25 years can reclaim thier grandfathers homes is a false hope. I am not the bad guy for saying the truth, it is simply not possible, Israel will not do that.  What we need is a real solution to save lives on both sides, quickly. 

they'd settle for just being able to move back within the borders of the state they were forcibly removed from

if israel isn't going to let people do that, while they openly invite europeans/north americans to move to israel by "birthright", the state will experience ongoing violent resistance. 

israel expecting otherwise is a fantasy as well. 

if we have any shred of humanity, we'd back up the people who just want to go back to the villages and towns that they were chased out of, not the criminals that chased them out. the rest of the world understands this, its really just western countries that dont. 

4 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

I don't understand this post. Can you elaborate a bit? How do you come to this idea?

Ive got a long thesis on this ill write up tonight, standby

Just now, Optimist Prime said:

We both know that simply won't happen. I am not against it happening, I am a realist without a time machine. Is there any real option to stop Hamas from killing Israeli's other than rooting them out and forcing their population to give them up? 

I don't see one.

Let the arabs who were depopulated go back home to their villages and towns that they were cleansed out of by israel. thats the only answer, or violence will continue. 

8 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/15/which-countries-have-criticised-israeli-attacks-on-gaza

 

https://apnews.com/article/colombia-israel-petro-suspend-defense-exports-a92effbb531ea4631d25a8c1d32ede28

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/former-bolivian-president-evo-morales-criticizes-bolivia-israel-for-situation-in-gaza/3011174

 

Earlier this year

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/brazil-argentina-chile-and-mexico-jointly-condemn-israeli-settlement-announcements/

Most of the world has known has been trying to advocate for justice since 1948. Every year, since 1948, there has been a UN resolution to recognize Palestinians right to return to their homes 

it’s really just western countries on the wrong side of history on this one 

4 minutes ago, Provost said:

Did you even bother to Google this guy?  He is by all accounts a complete fraud and scam artist.

 

He made up a political party on the internet that doesn’t exist in reality and appointed himself leader.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudar_Zahran

 

 

 

 

yeah he kinda reminds me of mohammad tawhidi

calls himself an "Imam", but also claims to be Shia, yet Imams are borderline Divine figures in Shia, and there are only twelve of them in history..

both guys trigger my bullshit radar 1000%

14 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Thanks for this post!

 

The Hashemite Kingdom, BDS (a coalition of groups calling for sanctions on Israel), Palestinian Authority, Hamas;

 

All corrupt according to this Palestinian. Addressing the EU for supporting BDS & the PA.

 

The other side of Israel?  They have Palestinians cross the border for well paying jobs, at European standards. Of course Israeli do not cross to work in Gaza? He suggests they get shafted and not paid working in Gaza, by BDS & EU supported initiatives. By the Palestinian Authority which I guess implies they pocket the money.  That Hamas, nor the Hashemite (Jordanian) Kingdom provide support or represent Palestinian people. He thanked the EU for good intentions, encouraged them to stop supporting these organizations as it worked against peace for Palestinian people.

 

Specifically implying the Jordanian King took bribes so Palestinians would move, provide land, when Israel was formed. In a historical statement. This coincides with @RomanPer 's, actually he called it ''our version,'' or Israeli version that Palestinian leaders made deals to make way for Israel.

 

Thoughts @Provost ?

 

 

 

I retain the exact same opinion that some reparations would / should be made to Palestinian traditional land owners. That Israel should act within the law in occupied territories, and in providing security. Even after the provocations of brutality last week. Including restraint from bombing attack in populated areas. Not because Hamas deserves their concern, Palestinian people subjugated by these bastards do. Its Hamas who holds Palestine hostage, not the other way around... 

 

I challenge people to get behind Palestine, not the terrorist leaders who take domain without regard for its people. To also call out the murderous attacks Provost.

 

Hamas needs to be held to account, not hidden in basements or tunnels.  

While none of us know exactly what happened day to day in 1948, it always gets my back up a bit when Romans version gets brought as the explanation for why the Nakba occured. While its definitely true that arab countries were meddling, and some local deals were made, I feel that it seeks to muddy the proven historical record of what actually happened in those 500 villages. I understand that muddying the waters helps Israelis feel better about their history, but insofar as this is used to justify the modern-day treatment of Palestinians, we cant let anyone forget about how we got to this point. 

Plan Dalet is what happened - arab villages were depopulated by the jewish paramilitary groups led by david ben gurion and menachem begin. Deir Yassin is a matter of historical record - irgun terrorists kicked down doors and threw grenades inside to kill residents and burn their homes down. The refugees that fled Haifa, Jaffa, Al-Kabri, etc. did not go willingly and happily, even though this is the narrative that Roman prefers. 

"In April 1948, the Haganah prepared an initial blueprint for an operation called "Ehud", which provided for attacks on al-Kabri, al Nahar, al-Bassa and al-Zib for "the destruction of the gangs [and] the menfolk, [and] the destruction of property".^[27] Yaacov Pundaq, a Haganah commander in the Carmeli Brigade's 21st Battalion, who was responsible for the area around Nahariya designated to be part of the future Arab state in the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, had repeatedly caused damage to the Kabri aqueduct nearby, the primary conduit for feeding Acre. In the face of successful repair work by Arabs, he contaminated the site's waters with flasks of typhoid, or typhoid and diphtheria bacteria. This was the most serious use of Israel's deployment of biological warfare in 1948.^[30]"

^{Plan Dalet, section 3 (this is public record, it was the plan given to Jewish paramilitary forces by David Ben Gurion}

Mounting operations against enemy population centers located inside or near our defensive system in order to prevent them from being used as bases by an active armed force. These operations can be divided into the following categories:

Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously.

Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state.

The villages which are emptied in the manner described above must be included in the fixed defensive system and must be fortified as necessary.

 

In the absence of resistance, garrison troops will enter the village and take up positions in it or in locations which enable complete tactical control. The officer in command of the unit will confiscate all weapons, wireless devices, and motor vehicles in the village. In addition, he will detain all politically suspect individuals. After consultation with the [Jewish] political authorities, bodies will be appointed consisting of people from the village to administer the internal affairs of the village. In every region, a [Jewish] person will be appointed to be responsible for arranging the political and administrative affairs of all [Arab] villages and population centers which are occupied within that region.

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The Israeli government is a coalition. They are controlled by Bibi and his far right faction. They just need to get rid of that part of the government. 

Benny Gantz is a step in the right direction. Hes not bloodthirsty and at least hes not an actual indicted criminal like netanyahu lol. 

2 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

You mean no wailing, nor on your knees? Just a sign like a protester for world peace? Hardly seems worth the effort.

Calling myself a silly silly goose would be the deepest humiliation I can envision

will always be haunted by it as long as I live 

Just now, Ray_Cathode said:

Jeez, take it easy, I don’t know if I could handle seeing someone publicly shame themselves… what did you have in mind?

might show up to a game with a sign that says "im a silly silly goose, sorry lads!"

Forcing myself to read the stories of these people who were murdered by Hamas

every single one of these people are human beings, we shouldn't ever let them become a statistic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/americans-killed-israel-names-victims/

Just now, eeeeeeeeergh said:

Forcing myself to read the stories of these people who were murdered by Hamas

 

every single one of these people are human beings, we shouldn't ever let them become a statistic

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/americans-killed-israel-names-victims/

Deborah Matias, 50, and her husband, Shlomi, 49, were killed as they shielded their 16-year-old son, Rotem, with their bodies, said Matias’s father, Ilan Troen. Rotem was shot in the abdomen, and for the next 12 hours, his family members guided him via text message on how to stay alive until help arrived.

2 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

I don’t need to look at it again. 
 

I posted it, which means I looked at it already. 
 

It was relating to having other Arab countries giving the Palestinians a place to ‘land’. 
 

And, at least for their security, if not some semblance of prosperity, as innocent Palestinians civilians are sure to be caught up in a war between Hamas and IDF. 

 

That should be paramount for anyone that cares about the Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip no?  Security and livelihood? 

We’re not talking about immigration. It was emigration for a livelihood. Maybe get a clue about the actual meaning of the tweet, instead of inferring your own one sided nonsense. 
 

I’m pretty sure you’re having battles that don’t exist with me and others. 

 

Maybe calm down a bit and sort yourself out. 

the biggest issue is the history - in 1948, jewish paramilitary groups cleansed 500 arab villages and the 700k+ refugees that fled, thinking that they'd be able to come home. Those people landed in Gaza, parts of the West Bank, and in surrounding arab countries. 

To those who are living with the consequences of 1948, it feels familiar. They dont want to leave Gaza because they know theyll never get to return home if they do. 

10 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

And on that note Gillis was not our most successful either. Brian Burke and Dave Nonis did the vast majority of the heavy lifting to build that beloved team. Sure, Gillis made some great trades and signings to compliment what they had, but he inherited the bulk. People credit him way more than they should. Just another one of those Brackett type mythologies from what I've seen.

i think youre 100% correct about this

here are the acquisitions gillis made that were meaningful/impactful for us: Lapierre, Higgins, Ehrhoff

everyone else was Nonis/Burke

15 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said:

Found an interesting chart on Reddit that I thought would be fun to share. Given some of us like charts.

 

According to this chart the Miller, PDG, and Boeser line was by FAR the worst like last night. Like, absolutely awful. Lol. I am not anti-analytics but I'll always be skeptical whenever I see any chart. Maybe I'm just old now. 

My understanding is they were the matchup line against mcdavid last night which would account for that 

24 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Benson is a Smurf who skates slow. Those guys end up being elite AHL first liners. 

skating is the easiest trait to improve, elite skill/iq you either have or dont

the fact that he is so small and not fleet of foot yet has shown so well in the NHL already says it all

a couple years more of weight along with adding half a step to his game and he'll be a force to be reckoned with

like it or not this is now a game for smurfs

benson is brayden point imo. 

Just now, stawns said:

obviously they think that Willander will be an elite dman, as he was clearly their guy right from the first interview they had with him

i hope so, being wrong on this would make me incredibly happy

ill go ahead and shame myself publicly if we get a #1 D-man out of willander

18 minutes ago, stawns said:

Vancouver has no shortage of those

My view is Benson will probably be the better player, and I don’t think it will be close at all. 
 

Even if we have a surplus, benson at what I think he will be would have far more trade value than what I believe would be required to acquire a willander

but I guess we will see 

6 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=240680

 

I'm fine with him, still wasn't my BPA available though. Would have far rather gone with the offensive dynamo from Vancouver.

i couldnt hide my anger during the draft

ive loved what jr/pa have done but this is the one decision i see as unforgiveable

bensons gonna be an elite 1st liner and we'll watch wondering what could have been

1 minute ago, OldFaithfulcap said:

 

He's probably a lovely guy but if he starts narrating then i'll remind him he's in America and the awkwardness will lead us to a pleasant goodbye.

His response? “CONOR MCDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVID”

31 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said:

Now that the high of the win is off. Time to roast our 3rd pair. Juulsen was trying his hardest to go back to Abby, Hirose is decent but also probably should be in Abby. Our 3rd line got beat up a fair bit. Need size on that line. I know we're not 100%, but it also shows how our depth falls off after one or two injuries. But I am excited for getting Blueger and Mikheyev back up front and Soucy on the back end. But if we can move Garland for a RHD like being rumored, preferably one with size and can actually hang in the NHL. I'll feel more comfortable.

 

Edit: Said Soucy instead of Garland. I am stoop

3rd pair should be a couple of towering redwoods that can play D, like Soucy-Stanley or something like that 

Need size and strength that can also play a bit dirty in the playoffs when refs put the whistles away 

13 minutes ago, OldFaithfulcap said:

Thank fuck shorty is back for the flyers game. No more tv on mute.

Gonna pay Harnaryan to show up in your living room and narrate the game live for you 

5 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Pleaaaaaase

 

My fear is he'll perform just well enough for management to think he's worth keeping around

 

Really gotta find a way to slot younger, cheaper forwards into the lineup going forward 

i think they'll respect RT on matters of roster advice, and beauvillier is 100% not a tocchet type player

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yup... He basically replaces/is developing in to, our Garland replacement (at 1/4 the cap). That's a no to trading him IMO. Unless it's for a legit guy like Pesce or something, it just doesn't make sense.

agreed

side note, i just checked capfriendly for the first time in a while

and our cap situation is actually uhh... not horrible at all

with cap going up 4m next year, and EP getting a 4m raise

we also have 4m of beauvillier dropping off, 6m of myers contract expiring. we probably need to give a raise of 2m or so to hronek. OEL is going to eat up 2m more of cap as well

we'll have around 6m to play with next year, enough for a serious upgrade on Myers