Canuckleheads Fan Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Keep PDG away from Hogs. When Tito was on that line with Laffy and Hogs in the first the we're buzzing, as soon as Tocc moved PDG to that line, their offense dried up. I like PDG, as a 13th forward, he has no offensive game at all. I'd prefer they called up an Abby player to get a look, there are a few down there lighting it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10096805-ranking-the-nhls-top-25-players-for-2023-24.amp.html Lol. Hughes and Miller not even in the top 25 , and this was written in November? They have Pettersson at 17, that's it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusm Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Didn't see the game, but just watched the Manson/Boeser situation. What kind of asshole do you have to be to check someone in the face with a stick and then mock them like that? The guy lives up to his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Kragar said: That was awesome game management tonight. Manson deserved the 5-and-game, except he should have already been in the box for tripping Boeser. I don't necessarily mind the calls against Beau and Myers that ruined the rest of Manson's major, but there were plenty of opportunities, especially with Nichushkin, to put the Canucks back on a deserved PP. I disagree with the major penalty. A double-minor is not possible in this situation but it should be. That was way too harsh of a punishment for that kind of play. There needs to be an option between a 2 and a 5+game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, cusm said: Didn't see the game, but just watched the Manson/Boeser situation. What kind of asshole do you have to be to check someone in the face with a stick and then mock them like that? The guy lives up to his name. The general consensus among the wider hockey community is that it was an obvious penalty but the major was a bit too harsh. Also, everyone seems to think Manson was funny as hell here. I agree. It was hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: I disagree with the major penalty. A double-minor is not possible in this situation but it should be. That was way too harsh of a punishment for that kind of play. There needs to be an option between a 2 and a 5+game. Don't crosscheck people in the face. It's not a hard concept. And if the refs had any balls, Manson would have already been in the box for the trip, and made it a non-issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Was it worse than Hogs 5, game and fine though last game 3 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: The general consensus among the wider hockey community is that it was an obvious penalty but the major was a bit too harsh. Also, everyone seems to think Manson was funny as hell here. I agree. It was hilarious. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: I disagree with the major penalty. A double-minor is not possible in this situation but it should be. That was way too harsh of a punishment for that kind of play. There needs to be an option between a 2 and a 5+game. I was about to say that I could get on board with a double, but honestly, in this case, he deliberately did it. Maybe heat of the moment, but it was not an accident that Boeser got hit in the face. And the BS antics from the box... what a tool. Not surprised, but it is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ballisticsports said: Was it worse than Hogs 5, game and fine though last game ? No. Hogs deserved his penalty too. Easy slewfoot to call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Kragar said: Don't crosscheck people in the face. It's not a hard concept. And if the refs had any balls, Manson would have already been in the box for the trip, and made it a non-issue. You can't try to justify a major penalty and complain about a missed minor infraction in one go. It was a missed call. It happens. I really can't complain about it since we got a very favorable call in the subsequent play. The severity of an infraction should determine the punishment. Why there isn't an in-between option (ie. a double minor) is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sxqhfeh Posted November 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Qwags said: Petey isn't worth $12M if he keeps playing like that. Looking like Mason Raymond out there. Petey needs to stay on his fucking skates, Right now it’s JTM looking like the 12 million dollar player 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ballisticsports said: Was it worse than Hogs 5, game and fine though last game ? I think Höglander's penalty was worse than Manson's. Not way worse or anything. Both are dangerous plays but one deserves a greater punishment. 14 minutes ago, Kragar said: I was about to say that I could get on board with a double, but honestly, in this case, he deliberately did it. Maybe heat of the moment, but it was not an accident that Boeser got hit in the face. And the BS antics from the box... what a tool. Not surprised, but it is what it is. Again, you have to lighten up here. Everyone is okay, and we got the favourable call here. Fanbases across the entire league thought it was funny. Like Bieksa mocking the call, or even Vern Fiddler cracking Vigneault. It's funny. I don't get why this forum is so upset over that. RDT_20231122_232306.mp4 Here is a hit by Lindell on Poitras earlier tonight. I think it was far more egregious than Manson but all he got was 2 minutes. Edited November 23, 2023 by Miss Korea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Miss Korea said: You can't try to justify a major penalty and complain about a missed minor infraction in one go. It was a missed call. It happens. I really can't complain about it since we got a very favorable call in the subsequent play. The severity of an infraction should determine the punishment. Why there isn't an in-between option (ie. a double minor) is beyond me. Why not? It should have been an easy call to make (the trip) but that would have given us a 5-3 advantage. Anyhow, all I meant was that he should have been in the box for that (if it was missed, fine, shit happens... if it was ignored, then that's BS) and not been in a position to get the major. I don't have any issue with being an auto 5 and game for a crosscheck to the face. At all. The only way I can imagine having a two tier penalty for face cross checks is if blood is involved. I don't think that's a good enough differentiator, but then I don't really like blood being the difference between a minor and a double for high sticks, cuz some high sticks are nasty and deliberate and just don't happen to draw blood, while an accidental nick can get you a double. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kragar said: Why not? It should have been an easy call to make (the trip) but that would have given us a 5-3 advantage. Anyhow, all I meant was that he should have been in the box for that (if it was missed, fine, shit happens... if it was ignored, then that's BS) and not been in a position to get the major. I don't have any issue with being an auto 5 and game for a crosscheck to the face. At all. The only way I can imagine having a two tier penalty for face cross checks is if blood is involved. I don't think that's a good enough differentiator, but then I don't really like blood being the difference between a minor and a double for high sticks, cuz some high sticks are nasty and deliberate and just don't happen to draw blood, while an accidental nick can get you a double. And yet I don’t see this as a particularly violent play. Obviously Toronto did see it that way (or is it just the refs?). So you are in agreement with the league on this instance. I think Manson could have been much more violent and retaliatory with his intent and therefore the greater punishment should be reserved for that situation, IMO. Do you know who did express surprise? Shorty and Ray to a mild degree. The radio men on SN650 to a greater degree. Our own broadcast teams were surprised by the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: I think Höglander's penalty was worse than Manson's. Not way worse or anything. Both are dangerous plays but one deserves a greater punishment. Again, you have to lighten up here. Everyone is okay, and we got the favourable call here. Fanbases across the entire league thought it was funny. Like Bieksa mocking the call, or even Vern Fiddler cracking Vigneault. It's funny. I don't get why this forum is so upset over that. RDT_20231122_232306.mp4 419.71 kB · 0 downloads Here is a hit by Lindell on Poitras earlier tonight. I think it was far more egregious than Manson but all he got was 2 minutes. Lindell got him under the Chin, not square in the face. Not more egregious at all, IMO. With Manson, we got the right call. Not favorable. Favorable would have been Boeser not getting any (not saying he should have got away with it). It was favorable to the Avs in the first, where the Av player should have got embellishment for grabbing and hauling down our guy (who fully deserved the interference call). Manson's a goof. His antics would be funny, if Boeser had faked it. Manson deserved what he got, and deserves scorn for the acting out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Have tried to be patient seeing Petey out there obviously struggling through something but growing concerned that he has played what? 10 games or so not improving. Now is this something the player has to play through because it won't heal without intervention and recovery time ? or is this something that can get better with a little more time while he plays through it? A healthy Petey in a game like tonight could have been a difference maker, the type of player at full health who maybe pops a goal or sets up a play to take the lead. Trying to be ok watching this unfold but the longer he looks compromised here and nobody is saying anything I worry its more than a " playing through it " injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, cuporbust said: https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10096805-ranking-the-nhls-top-25-players-for-2023-24.amp.html Lol. Hughes and Miller not even in the top 25 , and this was written in November? They have Pettersson at 17, that's it. Need to make them eat their words... I hope it lights the fuse on Miller, and he goes even higher, than he already is... He showed his true qualities yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kragar said: Lindell got him under the Chin, not square in the face. Not more egregious at all, IMO. With Manson, we got the right call. Not favorable. Favorable would have been Boeser not getting any (not saying he should have got away with it). It was favorable to the Avs in the first, where the Av player should have got embellishment for grabbing and hauling down our guy (who fully deserved the interference call). Manson's a goof. His antics would be funny, if Boeser had faked it. Manson deserved what he got, and deserves scorn for the acting out. They are acting like spoilt babies... The refs were more than kind to them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keslers Ghost Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Pretty close until the third. Miller is a gamer. Between the Petey line not producing and sustaining some key injuries (including losing another two defencemen tonight) we are hard pressed to win that game. I liked the patience through the first two, that's a step in the right direction. GCG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JamesB Posted November 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2023 Some comments. 1. This game is balancing out some earlier games when the score flattered the Canucks. Tonight was the opposite. In Natural Stat Trick the Canucks had slightly more high danger chances and slightly more expected goals. The Canucks had more shots and a higher fenwick number. That Avs had a slightly higher corsi (57 to 55). But, in terms of the underlying stats, it was a close game and, if anything, the Canucks were the slightly better team. 2. As Tocchet said after the game, the Canucks had a lot of good chances, both at 5-on-5 and on the PP. It is not like the PP has gone cold. They are generating lots of good looks. The pucks just isn't going in. People worried about the PDO being too high to be sustainable might be happy that the PDO is dropping pretty fast and is now back in reasonable territory. Their 5-on-5 PDO is now essentially tied with Boston (1.041 vs. 1040). 3. The Blueger, Joshua, Garland line was particularly good. Admittedly they faced weaker opposition than the top two lines, but they had an 8-2 Corsi advantage. They gave up nothing defensively and had some good chances. But the puck just would not go in for them. Beauvillier also had a good night and at least picked up an assist. Hogs was pretty good also and got a nice goal. So the bottom 6 is definitely pulling its weight. 4. If we want to identify weaknesses, aside from not getting the bounces, the most obvious thing is the Pettersson line. This is just a continuing story. Petey has not looked great for the last few games. Not bad, and even pretty good, but not like he did earlier. As for Kuzy, he is a good player, but not as good as he looked last year. This is probably just regression to the expected value (to the "mean"). 5. But, overall, the forwards are good. They did not get the bounces tonight, especially on the PP, but they will score at a fairly high rate. 6. The defence is more of a problem. First, both Friedman and Myers were hurt tonight. Let's hope those are minor injuries. With Soucy out for a while and Wolanin and Brisebois (remember him) both hurt, things will be looking desperate if Friedman and Myers both have to miss some time. Jett Woo might get a chance to make his NHL debut. And we might see Irwin. 7. In tonight's game, both Hughes and Hronek played heavy minutes again (28 for Hughes and 27 for Hronek). They are good, but it is hard for them to maintain their energy through a full 60 playing this much every night. Juulsen had another pretty decent night. He was -2 but I would not say the goals were his fault. His underlying stats were actually pretty good and he was up over 15 minutes. But Myers had a bad game according to the advanced stats and it looked to me like he was reverting to his more chaotic style of play. 8. I would add that Demmer did not have his best night. None of the goals were his "fault" -- cross seam tap in, deflection, screened shot that trickles through, and a breakaway. But on a good night (or a luckier night) Demmer probably stops one of those. 9. Just one day to rest and then a road back-to-back. This is an important weekend coming up. The Canucks need a bounce back against Seattle and them, despite being tired, they cannot let two potential points against the Sharks slip away. 2 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Can’t try and draw too many conclusions from a game with that many penalties. That was a wacky one. I thought we played well for the most part, but like previous coaches loved to say, that’s a pretty good team over there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Kragar said: Lindell got him under the Chin, not square in the face. Not more egregious at all, IMO. With Manson, we got the right call. Not favorable. Favorable would have been Boeser not getting any (not saying he should have got away with it). It was favorable to the Avs in the first, where the Av player should have got embellishment for grabbing and hauling down our guy (who fully deserved the interference call). Manson's a goof. His antics would be funny, if Boeser had faked it. Manson deserved what he got, and deserves scorn for the acting out. He is getting scorn from literally nowhere but here. All over X people are laughing about it. All over reddit people are laughing about it. It's funny. As for Manson's hit, I watched it again. He isn't even looking at Boeser when he retaliates. This is just another case of two guys cross-checking each other. Since one was worse and drew blood, you just give the extra two to that guy. Not 5 and a misconduct. Look at the video one more time. If I crosscheck you and you hit me back without looking, under no circumstances would I think you deserve a 5 and a game for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 If the Pettersson line plays like a 1st line we probably win that game. Pettersson -2 Mikheyev -2 Kuzmenko -3 Also what more does Hoglander have to do? Anyways, move on to the next game. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, J-23 said: If the Pettersson line plays like a 1st line we probably win that game. Pettersson -2 Mikheyev -2 Kuzmenko -3 Also what more does Hoglander have to do? Anyways, move on to the next game. What more does Garland need to do to get more ice time? Every shift where he had the puck he created some excellent scoring chances. Literally every pass to the slot turned into a shot. But those shots came from grinders like Joshua and Blueger. There was another play where a defender cleared the puck and Garly caught it mid-air before setting up another attack. Give him and Höglander some goddamn shifts. Not Anthony Beauvillier... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wai_lai416 Posted November 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2023 lol coming in here watching the EP bashing just shows how toxic this fan base is.. you want to know why EP line is struggling 5v5? coz the 2 defenceman he plays with majority of the time 5v5 creates 0 space can't push tempo can't get the puck up to the forwards.. JT miller spent 160 mins with QH and Hronek compared to EP only spending 80mins with QH and Hronek.. easy to do well 5v5 when your defenceman is creating so much space for you on offence. guess what.. Miller's line looks terrible 5v5 offensively whenever they are not playing with QH and Hronek either which is rare... EP can dominate with inferior defenceman when the other teams are bad which is majority of the teams we played this year.. and when the tougher team shows up.. he can't do it by himself without the 2 defenceman.. it's literally playing 3v5 right now 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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