Warhippy Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 6 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: What are they going to say about him? ‘Klim has been a disappointing pick by our franchise and it doesn’t look good for him’. lol. The platitudes Work on the basics Has the size skill Up to him Needs to work on X and Y Taking our time with him Adjustment period Needs to pay attention to We have high expectations It's up to him Drafted him for a reason, needs to show up and justify it Has to work on Y and Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The platitudes Work on the basics Has the size skill Up to him Needs to work on X and Y Taking our time with him Adjustment period Needs to pay attention to We have high expectations It's up to him Drafted him for a reason, needs to show up and justify it Has to work on Y and Z Snd the thing is Klim O does have the size, puck skills and skating to be a good NHLer. It’s not exactly like those things you mention aren’t true for Klim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 12 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: What are they going to say about him? ‘Klim has been a disappointing pick by our franchise and it doesn’t look good for him’. lol. It’s not what they say about him, it’s what they talk about with him, who works with him individually at practices, etc. Again, you don’t have to believe me, time will tell. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: Snd the thing is Klim O does have the size, puck skills and skating to be a good NHLer. It’s not exactly like those things you mention aren’t true for Klim. Nobody is denying that. The truth is, less than .35 ppg at the AHL level is not exactly sparkling or elite. This is under 2 different coaches and soon to be 3 under malhotra. I'd suggest he has 2 more seasons before the org cuts ties with him or he's an add on for another trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Nobody is denying that. The truth is, less than .35 ppg at the AHL level is not exactly sparkling or elite. This is under 2 different coaches and soon to be 3 under malhotra. I'd suggest he has 2 more seasons before the org cuts ties with him or he's an add on for another trade. Again, you are stating the obvious. Klim O is 21 and we have him through 25/26. So two more seasons to prove himself. He’s also close to 210 pounds, skates great, and has elite puck skills. He’s the kind of package of skill and size that can’t be taught. He’s still learning how to play the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 28 minutes ago, Alflives said: Again, you are stating the obvious. Klim O is 21 and we have him through 25/26. So two more seasons to prove himself. He’s also close to 210 pounds, skates great, and has elite puck skills. He’s the kind of package of skill and size that can’t be taught. He’s still learning how to play the game. Large Can skate Elite puck skills. Wanna know who else this was said about? IIRC you may have said this yourself Jurmo, Woo, Gadjovich and the list goes on and on and on. Growing up playing hockey, playing professionally as a teen and young adult you're not "learning to play the game" as much as you're proving you belong in the show. Less than .35 points per game is not elite. It is pedestrian. You can repeat this all day long and it won't change a thing about him or his progress thus far. At this point he is underwhelming as a 2nd round pick period. As for others drafted in his year, there's I think 11 or so that have played in the major leagues and others finishing university programs that are showing the same or better promise. It's up to him to prove he belongs but I for one have tempered my expectations like I've had to do dozens of times in the past 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Large Can skate Elite puck skills. Wanna know who else this was said about? IIRC you may have said this yourself Jurmo, Woo, Gadjovich and the list goes on and on and on. Growing up playing hockey, playing professionally as a teen and young adult you're not "learning to play the game" as much as you're proving you belong in the show. Less than .35 points per game is not elite. It is pedestrian. You can repeat this all day long and it won't change a thing about him or his progress thus far. At this point he is underwhelming as a 2nd round pick period. As for others drafted in his year, there's I think 11 or so that have played in the major leagues and others finishing university programs that are showing the same or better promise. It's up to him to prove he belongs but I for one have tempered my expectations like I've had to do dozens of times in the past 100% agree. But it’s not arguable that Klim O has the natural gifts that can’t be taught. If he learns those parts of the game that can be taught then we have another big body on the big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, RomanPer said: It’s not what they say about him, it’s what they talk about with him, who works with him individually at practices, etc. Again, you don’t have to believe me, time will tell. As a current asset, it would be ridiculous to not try to improve on him…. And no, I don’t believe you. But that’s simply for the fact that most prospects don’t pan out, and he hasn’t been impressive at all since coming to NA. But, like with all Canucks, I’m rooting for him and hope for the best. I just don’t see it with him. Im also a huge fan of eating giant plates of crow. It’s great when I’m wrong about a prospect not working out! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, D.B Cooper said: As a current asset, it would be ridiculous to not try to improve on him…. And no, I don’t believe you. But that’s simply for the fact that most prospects don’t pan out, and he hasn’t been impressive at all since coming to NA. But, like with all Canucks, I’m rooting for him and hope for the best. I just don’t see it with him. Im also a huge fan of eating giant plates of crow. It’s great when I’m wrong about a prospect not working out! You do know that Danila is a family friend of mine, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 To be fair about Klimovich, he was a frequent scratch and when he did play, he didn't get a lot of ice time. Now the old catch-22 is "if he played better, he'd get more ice time", but how can he play better if he's stapled to the bench or eating popcorn in the press box? I have seen glimpses of what he can be and it's been impressive, but it has been a challenge for him to win a steady lineup spot. Maybe Malhotra, coming in with a new set of eyes and an open mind, will see a potential top liner winger who is a beast to play against. I still don't know if he will become an impact NHL player, but I agree with Roman that it is too early to write him off. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, RomanPer said: You do know that Danila is a family friend of mine, right? I do! That’s very cool! Do you have a crystal ball as well? edit: I should clarify. I believe what you say. I believe you know him and he is getting a lot of attention in training/practices/development. IMO, it would be ridiculous for an organization to not do that with their prospects. I dont believe what you think will happen with him. I just haven’t seen anything that makes me think he will be a solid NHLer……yet. But again, I sure hope he does! Big kid that can skate. I dig it. Edited May 26 by D.B Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 15 hours ago, Warhippy said: So at some point the reality starts looking more and more like a longer shot than you'd hope for and more like a missed pick; of which we've had literally hundreds if not bordering on the thousands over the decades. It's not often I get the chance to do this, so I hope you'll forgive me WH. I get your point, but "bordering on the thousands" is somewhat exaggerated, considering our team has only been in the league 50-odd years, and even if we had 10 picks per year that would still put us at around 500 picks - and let's not forget that the last number of years the draft has only gone to 7 rounds, and then factoring in trades where we gave away draft picks like party favours to sweeten trades, I don't believe we've even made 500 picks since the beginning of the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 20 hours ago, Warhippy said: The history of this franchise and the league are littered with guys FAR more skilled or hungry than Klimovich who just never panned out. Expectations for him should be at a very low point and for good reason. He just turned 21, maybe don't write off guys at that age just yet. The problem is he came over as a teenager, so it feels like he hasnt progressed much 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, stawns said: He just turned 21, maybe don't write off guys at that age just yet. The problem is he came over as a teenager, so it feels like he hasnt progressed much I think he did exceptionally well as a teenager in the AHL. Most others in his draft were still playing in the Jr leagues. Coming to a foreign land with: a new language; no family; a different style of hockey; the smaller ice; should be factored in as well. I look forward to seeing how he does next season; with a new coach and good health. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RomanPer Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 5 hours ago, D.B Cooper said: I do! That’s very cool! Do you have a crystal ball as well? edit: I should clarify. I believe what you say. I believe you know him and he is getting a lot of attention in training/practices/development. IMO, it would be ridiculous for an organization to not do that with their prospects. I dont believe what you think will happen with him. I just haven’t seen anything that makes me think he will be a solid NHLer……yet. But again, I sure hope he does! Big kid that can skate. I dig it. That’s fair. Of course, his development can go either way. All I’m saying is that organization still believes in him. I sure hope he can become that scoring power forward we need so badly. A better version of Dakota Joshua. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RomanPer Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, higgyfan said: I think he did exceptionally well as a teenager in the AHL. Most others in his draft were still playing in the Jr leagues. Coming to a foreign land with: a new language; no family; a different style of hockey; the smaller ice; should be factored in as well. I look forward to seeing how he does next season; with a new coach and good health. I also hope that him visiting his family for the first time in 3 years will do wonders to his morale. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post swimmer Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 With Manny in charge and a renewed priority to develop our prospects, I am hoping Danila is unshackled from the press box and given time on ice to make the mistakes he needs to improve. It could be a pivotal season for him. 3 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 20 hours ago, RomanPer said: That’s fair. Of course, his development can go either way. All I’m saying is that organization still believes in him. I sure hope he can become that scoring power forward we need so badly. A better version of Dakota Joshua. That would be a great comparison, unfortunately teams don't usually have 8 years or more to stick with a prospect and his development. When we got Joshua we gave him an NHL contract but he was well into his mid 20s. I hope we can get more from Klim but it also can't be easy for him to now have a 3rd coach, hopefully the team realizes this and spends the time and gives him a longer leash this coming fall with more playing time to try and work through some deficienies...being scratched doesn't achieve that kids need to play and know that some mistakes won't lead them to being press boxed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, Viking said: That would be a great comparison, unfortunately teams don't usually have 8 years or more to stick with a prospect and his development. When we got Joshua we gave him an NHL contract but he was well into his mid 20s. I hope we can get more from Klim but it also can't be easy for him to now have a 3rd coach, hopefully the team realizes this and spends the time and gives him a longer leash this coming fall with more playing time to try and work through some deficienies...being scratched doesn't achieve that kids need to play and know that some mistakes won't lead them to being press boxed. This is the message he got directly from Allvin (more proper development time in Abby). Will see next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Sometimes players just need time and patience. If we are just looking for a 4th liner then he could probably play next season. But, he has the talent to play up the lineup and be an impact player and those types of players take time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Remember last summer when someone started a topic saying he should be moved to center and hold down the third line in the NHL. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 5/25/2024 at 2:24 PM, D.B Cooper said: Because Benning was a fucking idiot. We both know you won’t answer the question because everyone knows there isn’t a single ‘elite’ thing about Klim. If he was elite, we’d all be hearing about it. He isn’t even in our top 5 of prospects. That isn’t elite Ya, Benning and CENTRAL SCOUTING. GJ there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On 5/28/2024 at 10:45 AM, MeanSeanBean said: Remember last summer when someone started a topic saying he should be moved to center and hold down the third line in the NHL. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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