Myers… does he get traded?

[Snoop Hogg]

2 hours ago, BestCanuck said:

I think he stays and has good year. Rather him over guys like Nurse or Jones contracts

I think I would rather have those players, but not at their cap hits.

[Conscience]

As much as I want myers gone, we don't really have anyone to replace him with. 
Unless there's another trade or a bigger one with a decent D coming back I'm guessing he stays untill at least the deadline.

[Jeremy Hronek]

On 9/17/2023 at 6:33 AM, Strawbone said:

I think Myers will stay with the team and be a useful player this year in a lesser role. Every once in a while he throws a huge hit like the one on Duncan Keith, and that alone is enough for me to want to see him stick around and finish his Canucks career with a bit of a redemption story. 

I think Myers will stay here for one final season for the following reasons:

1) Moving Myers would likely require too big of a sweetener even with one year left.

2) One of the biggest concerns for this current Canucks squad is a lack of depth on defense.   If Hronek gets injured, there will be a lot of questions on the right side. Can one of Soucy or Cole fill in as the top RD?  (they've had good underlying numbers as 3rd pairing d-men but would that translate at the 1st pairing level?....keep in mind that Cole is also 34 years old now). 

This team has to stop bleeding picks.  Even with a massive upgrade on Myers on the right side (for example, Pesce....just as an example), do you really think the Canucks would be able to compete with teams like the Golden Knights, Avs, Lightning, etc?  

Canucks should probably be a little bit more patient in my opinion.  Myers comes off the books for free next Summer and so the Canucks could just put that cap to more efficient use at that time.  

I'm going to go into EA Sports land right here and loosely hope for the following later this season (and at the end of this season).   

1. Sign Pettersson at max term.

2. Trade Hughes and Demko to Buffalo for Dahlin and their goalie and sign Dahlin at max term (won't happen obviously but still)..

3. Sign Hronek to a long term deal.  

4. Trade Kuzmenko for a 1st at the trade deadline.  

Perhaps my vision for the Canucks is a little different than Management's (or most fans for that matter), but what I want to do is find youngish core pieces and lock them for the long term.  Similar to what the Sens are doing now.   

[Bobby Lou]

9 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

I think Myers will stay here for one final season for the following reasons:

1) Moving Myers would likely require too big of a sweetener even with one year left.

2) One of the biggest concerns for this current Canucks squad is a lack of depth on defense.   If Hronek gets injured, there will be a lot of questions on the right side. Can one of Soucy or Cole fill in as the top RD?  (they've had good underlying numbers as 3rd pairing d-men but would that translate at the 1st pairing level?....keep in mind that Cole is also 34 years old now). 

This team has to stop bleeding picks.  Even with a massive upgrade on Myers on the right side (for example, Pesce....just as an example), do you really think the Canucks would be able to compete with teams like the Golden Knights, Avs, Lightning, etc?  

Canucks should probably be a little bit more patient in my opinion.  Myers comes off the books for free next Summer and so the Canucks could just put that cap to more efficient use at that time.  

I'm going to go into EA Sports land right here and loosely hope for the following later this season (and at the end of this season).   

1. Sign Pettersson at max term.

2. Trade Hughes and Demko to Buffalo for Dahlin and their goalie and sign Dahlin at max term (won't happen obviously but still)..

3. Sign Hronek to a long term deal.  

4. Trade Kuzmenko for a 1st at the trade deadline.  

Perhaps my vision for the Canucks is a little different than Management's (or most fans for that matter), but what I want to do is find youngish core pieces and lock them for the long term.  Similar to what the Sens are doing now.   

I agree about keeping Myers for the time being at least until the trade deadline unless Woo or Juulsen absolutely blow the doors off at camp. Never hurts to have NHL capable D chaos giraffe n all.

 

[psharpe07]

Canucks Army had a pretty detailed article about this.  To be honest it seems like there is no chance.

https://canucksarmy.com/news/faber-ideal-vancouver-canucks-lineup-young-stars-tournament-penticton

 

[Grandmaster]

The longer this goes the less likely Myers is traded. Thought this trade would have happened the day his bonus got paid.

Very disappointing.

Really can’t stand this guy and feel that his existence on the team will sabatoge our playoff chances.

Really want him gone! 

[RWJC]

3 hours ago, psharpe07 said:

Canucks Army had a pretty detailed article about this.  To be honest it seems like there is no chance.

https://canucksarmy.com/news/faber-ideal-vancouver-canucks-lineup-young-stars-tournament-penticton

 

(PS - Apologies for formatting. Admin Ribs is a bit busy right now but the site will soon have the ability to format text. Thx)

3 painfully realistic Tyler Myers trade scenarios
 

By Noah Strang

On September 15th, the Vancouver Canucks paid Tyler Myers a $5 million bonus. That means that there is just $1 million in real cash owed on the 5-year / $30 million contract the defenceman signed in the summer of 2019.

 

This event has Myers’ name back in the trade rumour mill, a place it’s been a lot over the past year, as the contract becomes much more palatable for many NHL franchises. With just one year left on the deal and $1 million owed, it’s the perfect acquisition for a team looking to reach the cap floor while saving money.

 

Unfortunately for the Canucks, there are no NHL teams currently struggling to reach the cap floor. However, this doesn’t mean that a trade is completely out of the question. A rebuilding team might be willing to take a chance on Myers and try to flip him at the deadline. As we get closer and closer to that deadline day and Myers’ cap hit continues to shrink, that possibility only becomes more enticing for clubs around the league.
 

Myers is still a smooth-skating NHL-caliber defenceman with a massive frame. He’s also a right-handed shot and could be a contributor to any team’s second or third pairing. While he was often criticized in Vancouver due to his cap hit and the fact that he was routinely asked to be a top-four player, the reality is that he is still a useful piece.

 

Another factor to consider is that Myers does have some trade protection built into his contract. He has a 10-team no-trade list, a tool that he could use to make any move difficult. For the sake of this argument, we will pretend that the following teams are not on this list.

 

There are a few teams around the league that make some sense as a Myers destination. Here are three of the most logical scenarios that could play out over the coming months.

 

Buffalo Sabres

To Sabres: Tyler Myers

To Canucks: 2024 6th Round Pick

Tyler Myers was drafted by the Sabres and played some of his best hockey with the franchise during the first few seasons of his career. He won the Calder Trophy while in Buffalo and a reunion does make sense in some ways.

The Sabres have almost $9 million in cap space meaning that they could fit in the full cost of Myers’ contract.

 

The Sabres do have a good young defence corps including superstar Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power. Dahlin has played both sides in the past and if they deploy him mostly on the left this season, then the Sabres would have a mediocre right side led by veterans Erik Johnson and Connor Clifton, as well as younger players like Henri Jokiharju.

 

Adding Myers would help insulate that right side and not force the Sabres to deploy less experienced players like Jokiharju in too many difficult situations, ideally helping their development.
 

Since the Canucks get out of the full value of Myers’ contract, there is minimal return, if any at all.

Chicago Blackhawks

To Blackhawks: Tyler Myers

To Canucks: 2024 6th Round Pick

The Chicago Blackhawks currently have the second most available cap space in the league, making them a possible landing spot for Myers.

 

The Blackhawks are in full rebuild mode and — barring a Teemu Selanne-esque rookie season from Connor Bedard — will be among the worst teams in the NHL this season.

 

With more than a decade of NHL experience, Myers would be a strong veteran presence to add to the Blackhawks dressing room.

The Blackhawks would then have the option of either keeping Myers for the season until his contract expired or trying to find another trade partner to recoup a higher draft pick.

San Jose Sharks

To Sharks: Tyler Myers (35% retained)

To Canucks: 2024 5th Round Pick

The Sharks have been the team that have been constantly linked to Myers throughout this summer. At one point it was even reported that there was a “deal on the table”between the Canucks and Sharks to move Myers down to California.
 

The Sharks do not have enough cap space to take on the full value of Myers’ deal as it stands right now so they would need the Canucks to retain at least ~$2 million.

 

For the Sharks, it would make sense for them to acquire Myers in hopes of flipping him when the trade deadline rolls around. Especially if they can get the Canucks to retain a decent amount of the total cap hit, then Myers becomes an intriguing asset for a team looking for defence depth next spring.

The 5th-round pick that the Sharks give up in this deal would potentially turn into a 2nd or 3rd after they managed to offload Myers at the deadline.

Final Thoughts

While there are still a lot of hurdles to jump through for a Myers trade to actually happen, the $5 million bonus payment does open up some more possibilities. Expect the noise around a Myers trade to get louder as the season progresses and it becomes even easier for teams to fit him into their salary picture.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by RWJC

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, RWJC said:

3 painfully realistic Tyler Myers trade scenarios
 

By Noah Strang

On September 15th, the Vancouver Canucks paid Tyler Myers a $5 million bonus. That means that there is just $1 million in real cash owed on the 5-year / $30 million contract the defenceman signed in the summer of 2019.

 

This event has Myers’ name back in the trade rumour mill, a place it’s been a lot over the past year, as the contract becomes much more palatable for many NHL franchises. With just one year left on the deal and $1 million owed, it’s the perfect acquisition for a team looking to reach the cap floor while saving money.

 

Unfortunately for the Canucks, there are no NHL teams currently struggling to reach the cap floor. However, this doesn’t mean that a trade is completely out of the question. A rebuilding team might be willing to take a chance on Myers and try to flip him at the deadline. As we get closer and closer to that deadline day and Myers’ cap hit continues to shrink, that possibility only becomes more enticing for clubs around the league.
 

Myers is still a smooth-skating NHL-caliber defenceman with a massive frame. He’s also a right-handed shot and could be a contributor to any team’s second or third pairing. While he was often criticized in Vancouver due to his cap hit and the fact that he was routinely asked to be a top-four player, the reality is that he is still a useful piece.

 

Another factor to consider is that Myers does have some trade protection built into his contract. He has a 10-team no-trade list, a tool that he could use to make any move difficult. For the sake of this argument, we will pretend that the following teams are not on this list.

 

There are a few teams around the league that make some sense as a Myers destination. Here are three of the most logical scenarios that could play out over the coming months.

 

Buffalo Sabres

To Sabres: Tyler Myers

To Canucks: 2024 6th Round Pick

Tyler Myers was drafted by the Sabres and played some of his best hockey with the franchise during the first few seasons of his career. He won the Calder Trophy while in Buffalo and a reunion does make sense in some ways.

The Sabres have almost $9 million in cap space meaning that they could fit in the full cost of Myers’ contract.

 

The Sabres do have a good young defence corps including superstar Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power. Dahlin has played both sides in the past and if they deploy him mostly on the left this season, then the Sabres would have a mediocre right side led by veterans Erik Johnson and Connor Clifton, as well as younger players like Henri Jokiharju.

 

Adding Myers would help insulate that right side and not force the Sabres to deploy less experienced players like Jokiharju in too many difficult situations, ideally helping their development.
 

Since the Canucks get out of the full value of Myers’ contract, there is minimal return, if any at all.

Chicago Blackhawks

To Blackhawks: Tyler Myers

To Canucks: 2024 6th Round Pick

The Chicago Blackhawks currently have the second most available cap space in the league, making them a possible landing spot for Myers.

 

The Blackhawks are in full rebuild mode and — barring a Teemu Selanne-esque rookie season from Connor Bedard — will be among the worst teams in the NHL this season.

 

With more than a decade of NHL experience, Myers would be a strong veteran presence to add to the Blackhawks dressing room.

The Blackhawks would then have the option of either keeping Myers for the season until his contract expired or trying to find another trade partner to recoup a higher draft pick.

San Jose Sharks

To Sharks: Tyler Myers (35% retained)

To Canucks: 2024 5th Round Pick

The Sharks have been the team that have been constantly linked to Myers throughout this summer. At one point it was even reported that there was a “deal on the table”between the Canucks and Sharks to move Myers down to California.
 

The Sharks do not have enough cap space to take on the full value of Myers’ deal as it stands right now so they would need the Canucks to retain at least ~$2 million.

 

For the Sharks, it would make sense for them to acquire Myers in hopes of flipping him when the trade deadline rolls around. Especially if they can get the Canucks to retain a decent amount of the total cap hit, then Myers becomes an intriguing asset for a team looking for defence depth next spring.

The 5th-round pick that the Sharks give up in this deal would potentially turn into a 2nd or 3rd after they managed to offload Myers at the deadline.

Final Thoughts

While there are still a lot of hurdles to jump through for a Myers trade to actually happen, the $5 million bonus payment does open up some more possibilities. Expect the noise around a Myers trade to get louder as the season progresses and it becomes even easier for teams to fit him into their salary picture.

 

 

 

the Buffalo and CHI deals are good enough. Get the cap space and bank it for the TDL.

[smithers joe]

this management group has almost changed bennings mistakes hughes and myers are still left. i haven't seen him play yet but i prefer cole on the 3rd pair instead of myers. as a 3rd pair 1 mil dollar player, myers would have been okay.

i look forward to our defense being; hughes and willander; kudryavtsev and brustewicz; pettersson and johansson. and hronek.

[Coconuts]

33 minutes ago, RWJC said:

(PS - Apologies for formatting. Admin Ribs is a bit busy right now but the site will soon have the ability to format text. Thx)

3 painfully realistic Tyler Myers trade scenarios
 

By Noah Strang

On September 15th, the Vancouver Canucks paid Tyler Myers a $5 million bonus. That means that there is just $1 million in real cash owed on the 5-year / $30 million contract the defenceman signed in the summer of 2019.

 

This event has Myers’ name back in the trade rumour mill, a place it’s been a lot over the past year, as the contract becomes much more palatable for many NHL franchises. With just one year left on the deal and $1 million owed, it’s the perfect acquisition for a team looking to reach the cap floor while saving money.

 

Unfortunately for the Canucks, there are no NHL teams currently struggling to reach the cap floor. However, this doesn’t mean that a trade is completely out of the question. A rebuilding team might be willing to take a chance on Myers and try to flip him at the deadline. As we get closer and closer to that deadline day and Myers’ cap hit continues to shrink, that possibility only becomes more enticing for clubs around the league.
 

Myers is still a smooth-skating NHL-caliber defenceman with a massive frame. He’s also a right-handed shot and could be a contributor to any team’s second or third pairing. While he was often criticized in Vancouver due to his cap hit and the fact that he was routinely asked to be a top-four player, the reality is that he is still a useful piece.

 

Another factor to consider is that Myers does have some trade protection built into his contract. He has a 10-team no-trade list, a tool that he could use to make any move difficult. For the sake of this argument, we will pretend that the following teams are not on this list.

 

There are a few teams around the league that make some sense as a Myers destination. Here are three of the most logical scenarios that could play out over the coming months.

 

Buffalo Sabres

To Sabres: Tyler Myers

To Canucks: 2024 6th Round Pick

Tyler Myers was drafted by the Sabres and played some of his best hockey with the franchise during the first few seasons of his career. He won the Calder Trophy while in Buffalo and a reunion does make sense in some ways.

The Sabres have almost $9 million in cap space meaning that they could fit in the full cost of Myers’ contract.

 

The Sabres do have a good young defence corps including superstar Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power. Dahlin has played both sides in the past and if they deploy him mostly on the left this season, then the Sabres would have a mediocre right side led by veterans Erik Johnson and Connor Clifton, as well as younger players like Henri Jokiharju.

 

Adding Myers would help insulate that right side and not force the Sabres to deploy less experienced players like Jokiharju in too many difficult situations, ideally helping their development.
 

Since the Canucks get out of the full value of Myers’ contract, there is minimal return, if any at all.

Chicago Blackhawks

To Blackhawks: Tyler Myers

To Canucks: 2024 6th Round Pick

The Chicago Blackhawks currently have the second most available cap space in the league, making them a possible landing spot for Myers.

 

The Blackhawks are in full rebuild mode and — barring a Teemu Selanne-esque rookie season from Connor Bedard — will be among the worst teams in the NHL this season.

 

With more than a decade of NHL experience, Myers would be a strong veteran presence to add to the Blackhawks dressing room.

The Blackhawks would then have the option of either keeping Myers for the season until his contract expired or trying to find another trade partner to recoup a higher draft pick.

San Jose Sharks

To Sharks: Tyler Myers (35% retained)

To Canucks: 2024 5th Round Pick

The Sharks have been the team that have been constantly linked to Myers throughout this summer. At one point it was even reported that there was a “deal on the table”between the Canucks and Sharks to move Myers down to California.
 

The Sharks do not have enough cap space to take on the full value of Myers’ deal as it stands right now so they would need the Canucks to retain at least ~$2 million.

 

For the Sharks, it would make sense for them to acquire Myers in hopes of flipping him when the trade deadline rolls around. Especially if they can get the Canucks to retain a decent amount of the total cap hit, then Myers becomes an intriguing asset for a team looking for defence depth next spring.

The 5th-round pick that the Sharks give up in this deal would potentially turn into a 2nd or 3rd after they managed to offload Myers at the deadline.

Final Thoughts

While there are still a lot of hurdles to jump through for a Myers trade to actually happen, the $5 million bonus payment does open up some more possibilities. Expect the noise around a Myers trade to get louder as the season progresses and it becomes even easier for teams to fit him into their salary picture.

 

 

If any of those deals were on the table they'd probably have been done by now

[Shift-4]

Wait for an LT injury for another team. That's the best option.

[Odjickwillkillyou]

With Bear still being available and stating a desire to come back, I can easily see us signing him at a pro-rated deal due to missing time and then us moving Mysie at the TDL where he will cost less for another team and hopefully, net us a slightly better return. Apologies for the run-on sentence lol. 

[Provost]

Are people who are saying we will likely trade Myers at the deadline just assuming we won't be in a playoff race by then?

[Grandmaster]

19 minutes ago, Provost said:

Are people who are saying we will likely trade Myers at the deadline just assuming we won't be in a playoff race by then?

We definitely won’t be in a playoff race if that guy is still in the lineup, his daily bonehead mistakes are good for at least one goal against per game

[Provost]

4 minutes ago, Grandmaster said:

We definitely won’t be in a playoff race if that guy is still in the lineup, his daily bonehead mistakes are good for at least one goal against per game

He isn't trash, he isn't a top 4 shutdown D man.  That was the same in his previous teams as well, the book on him was that if you asked him to do too much he fell apart.

As a 3rd pairing D with a defensive oriented partner, he should be really good.  Not worth $6 million a year, but a huge upgrade on the other options who are all fringe NHLers.  If we have a 3rd pairing or Irwin-Myers, that would be the best 3rd pairing we have had for a very long time.

[Grandmaster]

Just now, Provost said:

He isn't trash, he isn't a top 4 shutdown D man.  That was the same in his previous teams as well, the book on him was that if you asked him to do too much he fell apart.

As a 3rd pairing D with a defensive oriented partner, he should be really good.  Not worth $6 million a year, but a huge upgrade on the other options who are all fringe NHLers.  If we have a 3rd pairing or Irwin-Myers, that would be the best 3rd pairing we have had for a very long time.

We will soon see. I strongly believe Myers even at a third pairing will sabotage this team.

[Ghostsof1915]

2 hours ago, smithers joe said:

this management group has almost changed bennings mistakes hughes and myers are still left. i haven't seen him play yet but i prefer cole on the 3rd pair instead of myers. as a 3rd pair 1 mil dollar player, myers would have been okay.

i look forward to our defense being; hughes and willander; kudryavtsev and brustewicz; pettersson and johansson. and hronek.

Maybe they don't want to recreate the OEL trade. And just when we can let the guy go, at the end of the year. We have to take salary back.

We'd be lucky to have a team trade for him. In the end he's gone at the end of the year. Besides after Hronek we don't have much depth on the Right Side.

[Grandmaster]

3 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Maybe they don't want to recreate the OEL trade. And just when we can let the guy go, at the end of the year. We have to take salary back.

We'd be lucky to have a team trade for him. In the end he's gone at the end of the year. Besides after Hronek we don't have much depth on the Right Side.

Our top 4 D is interchangeable. 
 

Hughes is mostly L side but the others can and have played on the R:

Hronek

Soucey

Cole

[canuck73_3]

On 9/16/2023 at 10:55 PM, RWMc1 said:

I doubt we trade him. We don't have enough NHL calibre right shooting d-men.

Juulsen or Woo might be on the opening roster. Then add inevitable injuries to that. 

 

Hirose or Brisebois are on opening roster before Woo or Juulsen 

[RWMc1]

10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Hirose or Brisebois are on opening roster before Woo or Juulsen 

I have Wolanin above both of your left d options. Brisboise first callup and Hirose might get some looks later in the season when we get injuries. I have Juulsen above Woo on the right.

It depends if Gonchman and Foote want guys on their natural side or not. That remains to be seen.

[Coconuts]

If Myers is the poison pill some folks say he is why would people take him? There aren't very many teams out there with the space, and those that do will likely seek to extort a good price for the favour of their taking on cap. 

More than likely it'll how to be a cap in, cap out deal if we aren't going to pay up, and does that really shed cap or simply shuffle it around? 

I'm tired of giving up assets and creating dead cap space to resolve cap headaches. I'd sooner try and move Beau, who could at least be slotted into one of twelve forward spots as opposed to one of six or seven D spots.

[canuck73_3]

26 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

I have Wolanin above both of your left d options. Brisboise first callup and Hirose might get some looks later in the season when we get injuries. I have Juulsen above Woo on the right.

It depends if Gonchman and Foote want guys on their natural side or not. That remains to be seen.

Wolanin maybe, but no way Woo is anywhere near opening roster. 

[canuck73_3]

17 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

If Myers is the poison pill some folks say he is why would people take him? There aren't very many teams out there with the space, and those that do will likely seek to extort a good price for the favour of their taking on cap. 

More than likely it'll how to be a cap in, cap out deal if we aren't going to pay up, and does that really shed cap or simply shuffle it around? 

I'm tired of giving up assets and creating dead cap space to resolve cap headaches. I'd sooner try and move Beau, who could at least be slotted into one of twelve forward spots as opposed to one of six or seven D spots.

Same thing I saw with guys on facebook commenting this dude said trade Myers for a 6th then trade one of our garbage middling wingers for a d replacement. 
 

He was baffled when I asked how you get an upgrade on Myers by only offering “garbage wingers” 

Edited September 18, 2023 by canuck73_3

[Grandmaster]

16 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

If Myers is the poison pill some folks say he is why would people take him? There aren't very many teams out there with the space, and those that do will likely seek to extort a good price for the favour of their taking on cap. 

More than likely it'll how to be a cap in, cap out deal if we aren't going to pay up, and does that really shed cap or simply shuffle it around? 

I'm tired of giving up assets and creating dead cap space to resolve cap headaches. I'd sooner try and move Beau, who could at least be slotted into one of twelve forward spots as opposed to one of six or seven D spots.

I don’t think a lot of teams know how bad he is because they don’t see him play all the time like we do. He literally will cost the team a goal a game. 
 

If we retained a couple mill, I would hope a team would bite and we wouldn’t have to eat similar Cap. You’re right though, we can’t send out more assets.

[Grandmaster]

1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

Same thing I saw with guys on facebook commenting this dude said trade Myers for a 6th then trade one of our garbage middling wingers for a d replacement. 
 

He was baffled when I asked how you get an upgrade on Myers by only offering “garbage wingers” 

Our kids in the system hold more promise than Myers in the lineup. I just want him gone!