[GDT] Vancouver Canucks @ San Jose Sharks, Nov 25, 7PM PST, SAP Center - Da Smash-em, Bash-em and Rack Up Da Points Game

[Rocket-68]

2 minutes ago, canucklehead53 said:

I for one support the scientific approach to conservation even when that can be ugly such as culls of deer in over populated areas. Look at the fallow deer impacts on ecosystems in some areas of our west coast for instance. 
 

also, if it is hateful we shouldn’t judge other people’s sense of humour. If we don’t like it we can scroll on (assuming there is no hate speech)

 

cheers

 

go Canucks go

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Rocket-68

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 hour ago, Goal_thecup said:

I thought Pettersson had a much-improved game last game; not quite Super Petey yet, but he's close..

 

Bottom six picked up the slack, which is the way it should be. 

[Jaimito]

1 minute ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

Bottom six picked up the slack, which is the way it should be. 

Like Vegas last yr. Their depth won them the cup. 

[tas]

17 minutes ago, Rocket-68 said:

I will admit wanting the powers that be jettison the Chaos Giraffe for a bag of used pucks earlier this year. However, the stats below have changed my mind, a little bit at least. While 40 points is certainly within striking distance for The Big Easy, over 30 points on the year combined with a plus/minus over 10 and keeping Tocchet's trust I would almost say, he is worth resigning around $1.5M for 3 years. 

 

if he keeps it up this year some gm is going to give him 3x that much. 

[Mr Wrong]

As we are debating world ethics etc  I have a question. I don’t live in North America and am not familiar with hockey history all that well… so. Is the name Edmonton Oilers related to oil mining in Alberta? This is probably a stupid question and the answer is yes. Less stupid is the question whether they have thought about renaming their organization once we live in a post carbon age, which will come eventually? Has this been debated? Rename to Edmonton Flowers, solar panels, tar sands? Any thoughts?

[Rocket-68]

1 minute ago, tas said:

if he keeps it up this year some gm is going to give him 3x that much. 

You may be right and if so, good for the Giraffe but the Canucks should then pass if keeping him means matching $4.5M x 3 - just my arm-chair GM opinion.

[stawns]

6 minutes ago, canucklehead53 said:

Not showing support of shark finning as I am not up on the scientific data of it. I believe it is being over done and in turn causing population and ecosystem concerns in which case I would object to it - but again, I am not very current on this matter.

 

However,… it is important to consider all perspectives and realize that population management is an important tool in overall conservation for multiple species. Not everyone will agree with tactics such as culls but we need to realize there is more than one way to look at a matter.

 

I for one support the scientific approach to conservation even when that can be ugly such as culls of deer in over populated areas. Look at the fallow deer impacts on ecosystems in some areas of our west coast for instance. 
 

also, if it is NOT hateful we shouldn’t judge other people’s sense of humour. If we don’t like it we can scroll on (assuming there is no hate speech)

 

cheers

 

go Canucks go

 

Cutting off the fins of a living shark and then dumping over board, while still alive is not population control, it's psychopathy 

 

Making a joke out of it is equally horrific.

 

Further to that, sharks are not an overpopulated species and are, in fact, probably the most important species in the ocean ecosystem for maintaining balance.

[Inkidu]

22 minutes ago, Rocket-68 said:

I will admit wanting the powers that be jettison the Chaos Giraffe for a bag of used pucks earlier this year. However, the stats below have changed my mind, a little bit at least. While 40 points is certainly within striking distance for The Big Easy, over 30 points on the year combined with a plus/minus over 10 and keeping Tocchet's trust I would almost say, he is worth resigning around $1.5M for 3 years. 

 

 

What would you call that, a right-handed insult?

[tas]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Cutting off the fins of a living shark and then dumping over board, while still alive is not population control, it's psychopathy 

 

Making a joke out of it is equally horrific

I agree with the former but not the latter. humour plays important roles when it comes to handling difficult subject matter, both as a way to cope with issues and as a way to shine a light on them, make people consider them. 

[Goal_thecup]

1 minute ago, canucklehead53 said:

Not showing support of shark finning as I am not up on the scientific data of it. I believe it is being over done and in turn causing population and ecosystem concerns in which case I would object to it - but again, I am not very current on this matter.

 

However,… it is important to consider all perspectives and realize that population management is an important tool in overall conservation for multiple species. Not everyone will agree with tactics such as culls but unless we there is more than one way to look at a matter.

 

I for one support the scientific approach to conservation even when that can be ugly such as culls of deer in over populated areas. Look at the fallow deer impacts on ecosystems in some areas of our west coast for instance. 
 

also, if it is hateful we shouldn’t judge other people’s sense of humour. If we don’t like it we can scroll on (assuming there is no hate speech)

 

cheers

 

go Canucks go

See?  If anything, my distasteful joke spurred some people to think about the issue, which I didn't actually intend, but sometimes Unintended Consequences Can Be A Good Thing.

 

Personally, I am a math and fact-based kind of guy, professionally and scientifically; I have been an environmentalist all my sentient life.

The rush to judgement shown daily (hell every nanosecond) by the so-called 'politically correct' is almost lemming-like.

Oh, jump on this dude, he posted a funny.  Let's all jump off a cliff.

 

BC has far more urgent issues to deal with than the ridiculous harvesting of sharks for their fins only, and the callous disregard for all living things evidenced by throwing the fin-less sharks back, still alive.

Younger generations need to get off this fashionable fake outrage crap, and get to work right away on issues that are going to seriously affect everybody.

Do your research; go back to school; whatever it takes, but if you really want a livable world, get off your entitled asses and do something about the real issues. 

Or not.  It is your future.

[canucklehead53]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

 

Cutting off the fins of a living shark and then dumping over board, while still alive is not population control, it's psychopathy 

 

Making a joke out of it is equally horrific.

 

Further to that, sharks are not an overpopulated species and are, in fact, probably the most important species in the ocean ecosystem for maintaining balance.

people said the same things about wolves in Yellowstone based on one flawed study. Studies since then have shown them to have an important role but not nearly to the extent previously thought and have shown a need for population management.

 

everyone is entitled to their opinion but science should always trump. Emotion leads to poor policy. Now methods - sure those can regulated to be done in more humane manners. 
 

just because someone has a different sense of humour doesn’t mean there is something wrong with them. It doesn’t mean they agree with it as was clearly stated. 
 

nature also will not waste any of the nutrients. The ocean recycles those. 
 

scroll on my friend, scroll on…you have bigger fish to fry. 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, canucklehead53 said:

people said the same things about wolves in Yellowstone based on one flawed study. Studies since then have shown them to have an important role but not nearly to the extent previously thought and have shown a need for population management.

 

everyone is entitled to their opinion but science should always trump. Emotion leads to poor policy. Now methods - sure those can regulated to be done in more humane manners. 
 

just because someone has a different sense of humour doesn’t mean there is something wrong with them. It doesn’t mean they agree with it as was clearly stated. 
 

nature also will not waste any of the nutrients. The ocean recycles those. 
 

scroll on my friend, scroll on…you have bigger fish to fry. 

[Jaimito]

NHL top 4 at the moment

 

Bruins 31 pts GP 19

Vegas 30 GP 20

Rangers 29 GP 18

Nux 29 GP 21

 

Rangers leading Bruins 5-3 after two now, and can take NHL lead today with least amount of games played. 

 

Potentially a three way tie at 31pts. 

 

Vegas and Kings likey win at home tonight. Race is tight. 

 

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, tas said:

I agree with the former but not the latter. humour plays important roles when it comes to handling difficult subject matter, both as a way to cope with issues and as a way to shine a light on them, make people consider them. 

So when they play the Panthers, is it a funny job ke to show a video of someone chopping off the paws of a big cat?  How about a nice big sword through a buffalo?  

 

We shouldnt act like animal snuff videos are an acceptable "joke", imo.

[Jaimito]

10 minutes ago, Mr Wrong said:

As we are debating world ethics etc  I have a question. I don’t live in North America and am not familiar with hockey history all that well… so. Is the name Edmonton Oilers related to oil mining in Alberta? This is probably a stupid question and the answer is yes. Less stupid is the question whether they have thought about renaming their organization once we live in a post carbon age, which will come eventually? Has this been debated? Rename to Edmonton Flowers, solar panels, tar sands? Any thoughts?

 

It will be just historic that's all.  Like Cowboys, Wagoners, Chiefs. 

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

3 hours ago, Rocket-68 said:

A Random Hockey Story

Ice hockey players can walk on water.
~Author Unknown

 

I grew up in the far reaches of northern New York State in a little hamlet comprised of ten houses, a church and a one-room schoolhouse. I have fond memories of an idyllic youth spent playing in the woods, biking for miles on country roads and spending hours exploring the shores of a brook at the bottom of the hill behind our house.

Especially the brook. It was a playground and oasis that served our youthful needs for all four seasons. In the spring, it was the place to build dams to reroute the fast-moving water. In the summer, it was a berth for our series of homemade rafts, only one of which, if memory serves me well, could actually float with one of us standing on it.

The fall was a time for quiet reflection by the brook. We would wile away hours traveling up and down its banks and play Pooh sticks on the narrow bridge that carried the small blacktop road up the hill to our hamlet.

But the best time of all at the brook was winter. As Christmas approached and the temperature dropped, my brother and I eagerly awaited the formation of the first layer of ice. By January, the ice was thick enough to skate on and that’s what we did, every chance we got.

On weekends, our friends and us raced down the long hill behind our house with skates, hockey sticks and shovels in hand. For it was almost always necessary to shovel snow from the surface to make our own private hockey rink.

Once the rink was cleared, we struggled with frozen fingers to lace up our skates. Two pairs of discarded boots served as makeshift goal posts for our rink of dreams. Hockey sticks that  had earlier been stuck upside down in the piled up snow were now retrieved and pucks were dropped so everyone could play.

Eventually we would break into two teams and play a pickup game until the score became too lopsided or the sun was too far below the horizon to see the puck anymore. The score was often secondary; the joy was in playing the game.

When we finally stopped for the day, we could feel our toes tingling as we took off our skates. We trudged back up the hill and into our warm house, our cheeks glowing like embers, our damp hair flattened against our foreheads and our bodies enveloped in fatigue.

As the winter progressed, our rink would become more sophisticated as we added makeshift nets and carved out seats from the snow banks. If we had ever figured out how to string up lights and run a 500-foot extension cord, we surely would have continued to play well into the night.

Sadly, the rink’s days were numbered. If we were lucky, we would continue to shovel off the next snowfall and continue playing. But if we faced freezing rain or a quick thaw, our rink would disappear for days or weeks at a time.

We knew our outdoor hockey season was short, which is why, I guess, we made the most of it. We packed in as many games as we could.

And once in a while, there would be a magical occurrence on our brook. Every few winters, we would be treated to a huge midwinter melt that swallowed up all the snow and was quickly followed by a flash freeze that turned our little brook into a clear perfect ice surface from shore to shore.

On those magical days, there were no makeshift nets or pairs of boots doubling as goal posts. We simply skated on our smooth glassy brook as far and as long as we wanted to, passing a puck back and forth until we finally had to turn around and skate home.

I remember the days of morning-to-night hockey with fondness. But there’s a special spot in my memory reserved for those few magical days when we skated on our own endless rink.

Author: David Martin

 

Overview

Canucks are coming off a 5-1 win while the Mighty Minnows went down in a shootout to Le Habs 3-2. The elephant in the room is "WILL ANDREI DRAW BACK INTO THE LINEUP?" He has to but Tocchet was right to have him up in the press box watching how the game should be played. A difficult start to his second season with only 3 goals, being ripped by Tocchet publicly and now polishing the pine. Will he be in the lineup tonight? Will he score a goal today if he does? I would have to think yes on both counts.

 

The Sharks are still a bad team but playing much better. Last game the Canucks did win 3-1 but the Sharks made it difficult, mainly by getting into the passing and shot lanes. Still, Vancouver carried the play more so than the Sharks did and deserved the win.

 

The other question is - will Petey and Kuz find their way back last season form? Strange to ask that of Petey, he with 28 points on the year and 7 off the league lead. Still, he isn't playing like himself which is both scary and good at the same time. Huggy and JT are ripping it up so the team is firing on 6.5 out or 8 cylinders and picking up points.

 

Quote of the Day:

"We need to play more possession hockey", Rick Tocchet on why the line shakeup.

 

By the Numbers

• Tonight marks the second of four meetings between the Canucks and Sharks this season: Nov. 2 (10-1 W), Nov. 20 (home), Nov. 25 (road), and Dec. 23 (home).
• Vancouver is 66-55-9-7 all-tie against San Jose, including a 30-26-4-5 record on home ice.
• The Canucks have won 10 straight games against the Sharks, with four of those wins coming at Rogers Arena.
• J.T. Miller leads all active Canucks skaters in scoring against the Sharks with 23 points (8-15-23) in 20 career games.
• Elias Pettersson has 17 points (5-12-17) in 16 career games against San Jose.
• Quinn Hughes has 16 points (5-11-16) in 12 career games versus the Sharks.
• Thatcher Demko is 9-0-0 with a 2.10 goals against average and a .928 save percentage in nine career games against San Jose.
• Casey DeSmith is 2-3-0 with a 3.45 goals against average and a .898 save percentage in five career games versus San Jose.

 

Canucks vs. Sharks Total and Moneyline

Take a look at the favorite, total and moneyline for this matchup at multiple sportsbooks.

	Canucks Moneyline	Sharks Moneyline	Total
BetMGM	-250	+200	6.5
FanDuel	-275	+220	6.5

Take the 'Nucks for the win but this time I would layoff on on the O/U.

 

Media

You know the drill, GO BUY A TICKET AND throw random objects at the opposing team - just kidding, no violence please, just your best one-liners hurled at the Sharks bench, and the zebras as needed. Otherwise go to your local watering hole and support your team and swill some beer.

 

TV: Sportnet Pacific, CityTV, SNE, SNO, ESPN+ and NBCS-CA

Radio: SportsNet 650

Streaming: lots on various Reddit threads 

 

Matchup Info

       

     

 

Da Roster

 

 

 

Da Zebras

 

Player Spotlight

 

Now for some fun stuff

Highlights from one of the best Canucks Games ... Game 8 Canucks vs Bruins

 

Highlights of one of the best when in his prime - Ryan Kesler

 

This is the 3rd matchup against the Sharks

[Nucker67]

6 minutes ago, Goal_thecup said:

See?  If anything, my distasteful joke spurred some people to think about the issue, which I didn't actually intend, but sometimes Unintended Consequences Can Be A Good Thing.

 

Personally, I am a math and fact-based kind of guy, professionally and scientifically; I have been an environmentalist all my sentient life.

The rush to judgement shown daily (hell every nanosecond) by the so-called 'politically correct' is almost lemming-like.

Oh, jump on this dude, he posted a funny.  Let's all jump off a cliff.

 

BC has far more urgent issues to deal with than the ridiculous harvesting of sharks for their fins only, and the callous disregard for all living things evidenced by throwing the fin-less sharks back, still alive.

Younger generations need to get off this fashionable fake outrage crap, and get to work right away on issues that are going to seriously affect everybody.

Do your research; go back to school; whatever it takes, but if you really want a livable world, get off your entitled asses and do something about the real issues. 

Or not.  It is your future.

 

I don't get the joke. It's one thing to talk about animal cruelty, but another to post graphic images of it and think it's funny

 

Your last name wouldn't happen to be Dahmer, would it? Asking for a friend. 

 

 

[Mr Wrong]

2 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

 

It will be just historic that's all.  Like Cowboys, Wagoners, Chiefs. 

There are still lots of Cowboys running around in NA, no?! Hehe.  

[Goal_thecup]

Can Hogey keep it up?

Can anybody stop him?

GO CANUCKS GO!

GO HOGEY GO!

 

Disclaimer: I do not mean the Golf Hogey; that is when you get caught cheating on your significant other while playing a round of golf.

[EdgarM]

Just now, Nucker67 said:

 

I don't get the joke. It's one thing to talk about animal cruelty, but another to post graphic images of it and think it's funny

 

Your last name wouldn't happen to be Dahmer, would it? Asking for a friend. 

 

 

Humans have some good traits and some have some really bad traits. Some kids like baseball and skate boards? and some like torturing and killing kittens, we live in a really weird world these days.

[Curmudgeon]

4 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

It will be just historic that's all.  Like Cowboys, Wagoners, Chiefs. 

 

No, they should be called the Edmonton Teardrops. Then they wouldn't have to change their logo. Sort of like the Edmonton Eskimos changing to the Edmonton Elks but still using the same green-E logo. It's no accident, that the Esks became the Elks. One letter changed and we're good to go.

[canucklehead53]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

So when they play the Panthers, is it a funny job ke to show a video of someone chopping off the paws of a big cat?  How about a nice big sword through a buffalo?  

 

We shouldnt act like animal snuff videos are an acceptable "joke", imo.

Buffalo: for me personally - depends on context.

 

for instance how about a big a** spear? 
 

 

my sense of humour is to play devils advocate with tongue in cheek type comments. 

 

[tas]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

So when they play the Panthers, is it a funny job ke to show a video of someone chopping off the paws of a big cat?  How about a nice big sword through a buffalo?  

 

We shouldnt act like animal snuff videos are an acceptable "joke", imo.

as with humour in all cases, tactfulness is still important and -- full disclosure -- I honestly haven't even seen the original post in question and was speaking only in generalities. 

 

I don't think there are very many things that are off limits for humour as long as they're approached properly. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 minute ago, Goal_thecup said:

Can Hogey keep it up?

Can anybody stop him?

GO CANUCKS GO!

GO HOGEY GO!

 

Disclaimer: I do not mean the Golf Hogey; that is when you get caught cheating on your significant other while playing a round of golf.

 

I thought you were making fun of hoagie sandwiches and I got super triggered offended, almost lost my mind ... and then I realized you spelled it hogey and stopped crying.

 

Carry on. Yes, go Hogey! 

 

 

[Jaimito]

 

Good. No Blackwell