ronning4center Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 12 hours ago, GrammaInTheTub said: Is your issue with the phrases “making a decision” versus “negotiating” after the season? What’s the distinction in your view? It sort of came to light for me when PA was asked directly "do you think elias wants to stay in vancouver" PA pauses then says "he wants to play for a good team" . That was a not so subtle dig to an employee that's not sold on the environment, or location or media or whatever. The distinction being I want to be here and we'll negotiate after the season to I'm not sure I want to be here and I'll decide after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 15 hours ago, aGENT said: Bunch of panicky Pollyannas trading out Petey.... Some panicky, sure, some don't want to see the team go down the TO/Edm road. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, HKSR said: Yeah I'd say winning games generates way more revenue. Tell that to the leafs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I guarantee Pette will re-sign, People panic for no reason. I look at the glass half full and would like to see how he performs in the p/o, Can he prove his worth? or be a no show? If it's the latter I wouldn't be mad if someone gives him an offer sheet..I would happily take those 4 1sts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 12 minutes ago, Canuck You said: I guarantee Pette will re-sign, People panic for no reason. I look at the glass half full and would like to see how he performs in the p/o, Can he prove his worth? or be a no show? If it's the latter I wouldn't be mad if someone gives him an offer sheet..I would happily take those 4 1sts. I dunno. For me, the organization can't just let players of his caliber just walk. What does that signal to the rest of the team moving forward? You have an alter franchise kind of player, and you let him go for 4 1st round picks? It's a rebuild all over again, and unless the next four drafts has a generational talent like a Crosby or McDavid, then I'm kind of hesitant. We've also gone through a rebuild that didn't really pan out for almost the last decade. I don't know if I want to go through that again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 15 minutes ago, Canuck You said: I guarantee Pette will re-sign don't think anyone can gaurantee that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Yeah I'd say winning games generates way more revenue. Correct. One playoff series would generate more money than n advertising campaign featuring 3 brothers would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) This is clearly about money and nothing else. The argument that he previously made about being on a good winning team is now a proven lie or just a minor aspect to signing a contract. So let’s look at the logic. If he plays his typical, he will get his 12-12.5M per. If he levels up and wins a Hart or Art Ross and or does real well in the playoffs, then he just made at least another 1M per season. It’s a no brainer. There is no incentive to signing now. He could care less about making the fans happy or setting up the team to plan their shit out. This won’t get sorted out until after the playoffs. Edited January 20 by Grandmaster 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted January 20 Popular Post Share Posted January 20 14 hours ago, LillStrimma said: How lose him? He’s an RFA. Management's talked about this repeatedly, they have him for this year and next at the very least, they'll get it sorted I dunno why so many folks are so antsy to hit the panic button 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, JayDangles said: Who gives a shut aboit the marketing profit other than Aquaman. Marketing doesn't win games. Exactly, so why trade just for money… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronning4center Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Grandmaster said: This is clearly about money and nothing else. The argument that he previously made about being on a good winning team is now a proven lie or just a minor aspect to signing a contract. So let’s look at the logic. If he plays his typical, he will get his 12-12.5M per. If he levels up and wins a Hart or Art Ross and or does real well in the playoffs, then he just made at least another 1M per season. It’s a no brainer. There is no incentive to signing now. He could care less about making the fans happy or setting up the team to plan their shit out. This won’t get sorted out until after the playoffs. Other than caring about the team and its future? We aren't talking about 6 or 7 mill. He's handcuffing the team and wanting to pad his stats to make more money. Bo did that and Rutherford showed him how that goes. Edited January 20 by ronning4center 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, ronning4center said: Other than caring about the team and its future? We aren't talking about 6 or 7 mill. He's handcuffing the team and wanting to pad his stats to make more money. Bo did that and Rutherford showed him how that goes. Lol he’s not doing nothing yet there are no talks going on… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, ronning4center said: Other than caring about the team and its future? We aren't talking about 6 or 7 mill. He's handcuffing the team and wanting to pad his stats to make more money. Bo did that and Rutherford showed him how that goes. We had no control over Bo at the end of that season. It’s a different situation. We own his rights if he chooses to sign at the end of the season. We didn’t have that when Bo. If Petey just gets qualified or refuses to sign then JR will show him the same response as he did with Bo and rightfully so. Let’s just hope it doesn’t get there Edited January 20 by Grandmaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Grandmaster said: This is clearly about money and nothing else. The argument that he previously made about being on a good winning team is now a proven lie or just a minor aspect to signing a contract. So let’s look at the logic. If he plays his typical, he will get his 12-12.5M per. If he levels up and wins a Hart or Art Ross and or does real well in the playoffs, then he just made at least another 1M per season. It’s a no brainer. There is no incentive to signing now. He could care less about making the fans happy or setting up the team to plan their shit out. This won’t get sorted out until after the playoffs. And they do have wiggle room, as an RFA. He could take the one year deal route if they can't come to agreement on an extension this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 minutes ago, stawns said: And they do have wiggle room, as an RFA. He could take the one year deal route if they can't come to agreement on an extension this year If he takes a 1 year deal it walks him directly to UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 28 minutes ago, stawns said: And they do have wiggle room, as an RFA. He could take the one year deal route if they can't come to agreement on an extension this year 22 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: If he takes a 1 year deal it walks him directly to UFA I think if he's only willing to take a 1 year deal, we trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think if he's only willing to take a 1 year deal, we trade him. Possibly, but I think you give yourself that year if you need it, even if you do plan on moving him. I really hate the way the league and cap have evolved........it's impossible to keep a young core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Petey will sign a three year deal at 9.5 per. Bow to the empties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, stawns said: Possibly, but I think you give yourself that year if you need it, even if you do plan on moving him. I really hate the way the league and cap have evolved........it's impossible to keep a young core I think to keep a young core, you need to lock them up to 8 year deals as a 1st year RFA. That's probably why we're seeing the big contracts handed out so early now. Also means there could be a lot of dead cap all over the place if players don't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think to keep a young core, you need to lock them up to 8 year deals as a 1st year RFA. That's probably why we're seeing the big contracts handed out so early now. Also means there could be a lot of dead cap all over the place if players don't pan out. I wouldn't go that way, young players are too unpredictable. I'd keep the deals 3-4 years until their mid 20's and then go to a longer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, stawns said: I wouldn't go that way, young players are too unpredictable. I'd keep the deals 3-4 years until their mid 20's and then go to a longer deal. That's when you can't hold onto the young core though. The cost is too high. If you manage to get them on bridge deals, they'll all go for the big pay day after that one. Imagine if Petey, Hughes, Miller, and Demko are all around the same age. Each asking market value within 1 to 3 years of each other... $12M Petey, $12M Miller, $12M Hughes, $9M Demko... just won't be able to work. You gotta gamble like what NJ did with Hischier and Hughes, or BUF with Thompson, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: That's when you can't hold onto the young core though. The cost is too high. If you manage to get them on bridge deals, they'll all go for the big pay day after that one. Imagine if Petey, Hughes, Miller, and Demko are all around the same age. Each asking market value within 1 to 3 years of each other... $12M Petey, $12M Miller, $12M Hughes, $9M Demko... just won't be able to work. You gotta gamble like what NJ did with Hischier and Hughes, or BUF with Thompson, etc. Then you deal them for a good haul and reinforce the depth in your organization and sign ufa's Under a cap, there is no way to keep an elite young corp and have success, imo. That's what TO has learned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Did Friedman just say we are looking at Elias Lindholm and Guentzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, canucks curse said: Did Friedman just say we are looking at Elias Lindholm and Guentzel He said there were about 5-6 guys we are looking at. He knows two and is in the process of figuring out who the others are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 18 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: He said there were about 5-6 guys we are looking at. He knows two and is in the process of figuring out who the others are. Yesssss my guess JG crouse EK Elias Lindholm Giroux Tom Wilson Mittelstadt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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