Bob Long Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Cap being tight also drives home the importance of being able to bring in RFA's and players on ELC's. I'm not expecting Lekkerimaki to make the jump next season but he could be a boon when he does, the Canucks need Podz and Raty to show they can be NHL'ers sooner than later. At least Hoglander looks to be progressing. I love hogs in the bottom 6 right now, his skill vs teams lesser competion is a big bonus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Coconuts said: And/or Kuzmenko, if only to add a different element to the forward group Seems inevitable that we only keep one of him and Boeser anyway Kuzmenko is not offering anything at 5.5 now hogz is breaking out Kuzmenko is redundant even when scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I love hogs in the bottom 6 right now, his skill vs teams lesser competion is a big bonus. Definitely, him playing bigger than his size helps too Could find himself cementing a too aix spot in a season or two if he can keep building on his success 8 minutes ago, canucks curse said: Kuzmenko is not offering anything at 5.5 now hogz is breaking out Kuzmenko is redundant even when scoring Him and Boeser are up for new deals the same offseason too Between Hoglander, Boeser, Pettersson, and Miller there are skill options up front, Mikheyev is serviceable and adds a different element but I wouldn't call him a high skill option Adds speed and two way play though, complimentary elements What the Canucks could really use, which other users frequently allude to, is a skill guy with more edge/grit to add yet another element up front If Bertuzzi weren't such an oddball and his last name didn't have the baggage I'd wonder if he might not be a UFA option Lekkerimaki should supplant someone at some point, Raty/Podz could too but I question whether they'll be top six guys Mind you, they could also use a more top tier skill guy to go with Pettersson and leave grit/edge more to their bottom six and D, depends on who is available Edited January 9 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Definitely, him playing bigger than his size helps too Could find himself cementing a too aix spot in a season or two if he can keep building on his success yep. For this year, I see him as really valuable when the playoff injuries hit. He's awesome in the bottom 6, but can take over if need be for a top 6 winger. 7 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Him and Boeser are up for new deals the same offseason too Between Hoglander, Boeser, Pettersson, and Miller there are skill options up front, Mikheyev is serviceable and adds a different element but I wouldn't call him a high skill option Adds speed and two way play though, complimentary elements its easy to forget about how little speed we had to give Petey's line before Mik arrived. 7 minutes ago, Coconuts said: What the Canucks could really use, which other users frequently allude to, is a skill guy with more edge/grit to add yet another element up front If Bertuzzi weren't such an oddball and his last name didn't have the baggage I'd wonder if he might not be a UFA option anything but this guy, he's a weirdo that would be a bad fit here imo. 7 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Lekkerimaki should supplant someone at some point, Raty/Podz could too but I question whether they'll be top six guys Mind you, they could also use a more top tier skill guy to go with Pettersson and leave grit/edge more to their bottom six and D, depends on who is available Allvin has done such a good job on the d that really we should only be looking at adding some more grit or size to the top 9. If it doesn't happen I'm happy to see what this group can do with no upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: yep. For this year, I see him as really valuable when the playoff injuries hit. He's awesome in the bottom 6, but can take over if need be for a top 6 winger. its easy to forget about how little speed we had to give Petey's line before Mik arrived. anything but this guy, he's a weirdo that would be a bad fit here imo. Allvin has done such a good job on the d that really we should only be looking at adding some more grit or size to the top 9. If it doesn't happen I'm happy to see what this group can do with no upgrades. Definitely, should hit 20 goals this year, which is a nice milestone I like Mik, he's a complimentary guy, that line needs a different element in the Kuzmenko slot though imo, give that line another top notch threat and Mikheyev being a middle six tweener is fine Most teams don't have six bona-fide top six guys in their top six Mikheyev reminds me of Hansen minus Hansen's grit and heart, both possess speed and defensive savvy I wouldn't bring Bertuzzi in and I don't think he'd come here, but someone with similar hockey attributes could fit, those are tough players to find though which is why he probably won't have trouble picking where he goes next D is still a work in progress imo, but it's good enough for the remainder of the season as is If they tweak anything I'd see what could be had in a Kuzmenko hockey trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Definitely, should hit 20 goals this year, which is a nice milestone I like Mik, he's a complimentary guy, that line needs a different element in the Kuzmenko slot though imo, give that line another top notch threat and Mikheyev being a middle six tweener is fine Most teams don't have six bona-fide top six guys in their top six Mikheyev reminds me of Hansen minus Hansen's grit and heart, both possess speed and defensive savvy I wouldn't bring Bertuzzi in and I don't think he'd come here, but someone with similar hockey attributes could fit, those are tough players to find though which is why he probably won't have trouble picking where he goes next D is still a work in progress imo, but it's good enough for the remainder of the season as is If they tweak anything I'd see what could be had in a Kuzmenko hockey trade I feel like Mikheyev needs this upcoming off-season to fully recover from his knee injury and get his strength back completely. He doesn't seem to have the same jump as he did when he first started playing for the Canucks - I was starting to get used to see him beat guys wide on the rush, I haven't seen that this year at all. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HKSR Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 27 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I love hogs in the bottom 6 right now, his skill vs teams lesser competion is a big bonus. Agreed. We need a 2C so Suter also moves to the 4th line to play against lesser opponents. That's what depth does to other teams, the bottom 6 cause havoc. Boeser-Miller-Petey Mikheyev-2C-Kuzmenko Garland-Blueger-Joshua Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty (this line will eat up the other team's lesser competition) 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: I feel like Mikheyev needs this upcoming off-season to fully recover from his knee injury and get his strength back completely. He doesn't seem to have the same jump as he did when he first started playing for the Canucks - I was starting to get used to see him beat guys wide on the rush, I haven't seen that this year at all. His having a healthy offseason, and a healthy next season, would likely go a long way He's had some tough luck here, but that's Canuck luck Edited January 9 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, HKSR said: Agreed. We need a 2C so Suter also moves to the 4th line to play against lesser opponents. That's what depth does to other teams, the bottom 6 cause havoc. Boeser-Miller-Petey Mikheyev-2C-Kuzmenko Garland-Blueger-Joshua Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty (this line will eat up the other team's lesser competition) That's ideal for what we could accomplish for this season. I mean, Allvin already brought in Soucy, Zad, and Cole on top of Hronek last year, but we're all "we want more!!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 27 minutes ago, Bob Long said: That's ideal for what we could accomplish for this season. I mean, Allvin already brought in Soucy, Zad, and Cole on top of Hronek last year, but we're all "we want more!!" management doing amazing work they identify needs then the correct players to fill them and then they work their magic and get those players. Hronek IMHO not playing like a >7 mill D man right now, some bone headed plays creeping into his game, now off the hot pace of points he was on but still good, I think 6.75 mill reasonable but of course he wants more, what are his comps? He's a no. 2 d man. Zads- struggling a bit, now over 4 million seems unreasonable when Cole, Myers and Soucy are playing ahead of him - Soucy actually a great comp- can give lads term though something like 3.5x5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, canucks curse said: management doing amazing work they identify needs then the correct players to fill them and then they work their magic and get those players. Hronek IMHO not playing like a >7 mill D man right now, some bone headed plays creeping into his game, now off the hot pace of points he was on but still good, I think 6.75 mill reasonable but of course he wants more, what are his comps? He's a no. 2 d man. Zads- struggling a bit, now over 4 million seems unreasonable when Cole, Myers and Soucy are playing ahead of him - Soucy actually a great comp- can give lads term though something like 3.5x5 years. I'd say Hronek's comp is somewhere in the lower end between Hampus Lindholm's 6.5 million and Charlie McAvoy's 9.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: I'd say Hronek's comp is somewhere in the lower end between Hampus Lindholm's 6.5 million and Charlie McAvoy's 9.5 million. Whoa...Mcavoy shouldn't even enter the conversation. I'd say he's between Lindholm and Dunn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol so he's suppose to take ppl with career high totals of 32 points and turn them into a 60-70 point player? gimme a break.. let's stick JT with career bottom 6 players for half a season and let see him elevate them to a top 6 1990-91 Vancouver Canucks NHL 45 7 1 8 296 -6 6 0 0 0 18 1991-92 Vancouver Canucks NHL 65 4 6 10 348 -1 4 0 0 0 6 1992-93 Vancouver Canucks NHL 75 4 13 17 370 3 1 0 0 0 0 1993-94 Vancouver Canucks NHL 76 16 13 29 271 13 10 0 0 0 18 1994-95 Vancouver Canucks NHL 23 4 5 9 109 -3 5 0 0 0 47 1995-96 Vancouver Canucks NHL 55 3 4 7 181 -16 6 3 1 4 6 1996-97 Vancouver Canucks NHL 70 5 8 13 371 -5 -- -- -- -- -- 1997-98 Vancouver Canucks NHL 35 3 2 5 181 -3 -- -- -- -- These are Gino Odjicks Canuck Point totals, can you see when he played with Bure? I am sure there are many other examples and Burrows probably has similar numbers when he played on the Sedin's line. Great players usually make everyone around them a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, HKSR said: Whoa...Mcavoy shouldn't even enter the conversation. I'd say he's between Lindholm and Dunn. Fair enough. In other news. J.P Barry was on Ferraro's podcast today saying that contract talks have started. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, LillStrimma said: Yes, and this is what Petey and his agent knows. I’ve said it for a few years now, give Petey the same oppurtunity as Miller got and Petey got 20 more points per season. And I truly believe it’s a mild assertion because Petey thinks the game as he does. So, the PP has all the best players on the team, yet Miller consistently gets more PP points then Petey, so, that doesn't make sense. Theory debunked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: Fair enough. In other news. J.P Barry was on Ferraro's podcast today saying that contract talks have started. Good. Hopefully Pettersson signs his contract soon and I hope it's long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) Just now, J-23 said: Good. Hopefully Pettersson signs his contract soon and I hope it's long-term. If it's worth anything, his agent said that neither side wants to do a 1-year deal to walk him to UFA. That's off the table. Edited January 9 by KoreanHockeyFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, EdgarM said: 1990-91 Vancouver Canucks NHL 45 7 1 8 296 -6 6 0 0 0 18 1991-92 Vancouver Canucks NHL 65 4 6 10 348 -1 4 0 0 0 6 1992-93 Vancouver Canucks NHL 75 4 13 17 370 3 1 0 0 0 0 1993-94 Vancouver Canucks NHL 76 16 13 29 271 13 10 0 0 0 18 1994-95 Vancouver Canucks NHL 23 4 5 9 109 -3 5 0 0 0 47 1995-96 Vancouver Canucks NHL 55 3 4 7 181 -16 6 3 1 4 6 1996-97 Vancouver Canucks NHL 70 5 8 13 371 -5 -- -- -- -- -- 1997-98 Vancouver Canucks NHL 35 3 2 5 181 -3 -- -- -- -- These are Gino Odjicks Canuck Point totals, can you see when he played with Bure? I am sure there are many other examples and Burrows probably has similar numbers when he played on the Sedin's line. Great players usually make everyone around them a lot better. lol burrows have 2 sedins to carry him.. odjicks case is much simpler just get the puck to bure and he will do the rest you have 2 sedins elevating 1 burrow.. you have 1 ep have to elevate the entire line.. big difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Coconuts said: Top talent looks better with other top talent, shocker. Kuzmenko's regressed and been scratched a number of times this season, Mikheyev is a defensively responsible middle six forward. Lot of other top forwards around the league have at least one high tier running mate, Pettersson hasn't had one this season and that's an issue for the Canucks. Regression was always going to happen for Kuzmenko, his shooting percentage wasn't going go be sustainable forever the same way Boeser's shooting percentage this season likely isn't. Canucks need an upgrade in their top six and they likely know it. I give you Exhibit "A" ...............the Blueger, Garland and Joshua line, the most mishmash group on the team, but it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: Fair enough. In other news. J.P Barry was on Ferraro's podcast today saying that contract talks have started. That's good news! If they start talking, they'll find a deal. There's way too much of a good thing going here for Petey to want to leave now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol burrows have 2 sedins to carry him.. odjicks case is much simpler just get the puck to bure and he will do the rest you have 2 sedins elevating 1 burrow.. you have 1 ep have to elevate the entire line.. big difference You were talking about players not being able to elevate players around them, I just gave you two examples off the top of my head. Both Odjick and Burrows aren't typical top 6 players but those great players elevated their game to where they performed above their expectations. If Petey was a great center, Kuz and Mik would just need to keep their stick on the ice and he will find them one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, EdgarM said: So, the PP has all the best players on the team, yet Miller consistently gets more PP points then Petey, so, that doesn't make sense. Theory debunked! So, guess where the attack comes from? Left or right when Hughes play. the earlier years they played together Hughes took the puck in, Miller took over and had a two way with Boeser and they scored. Happened more often than not while Petey was stuck on the right side. But if Tocchet let Petey take over Millers position you will notice what I talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Not sure if this has been posted yet. Highly relevant for all those panicking that he hasn't signed yet: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/elias-pettersson-doesn-t-want-contract-status-to-distract-vancouver-canucks-great-season-1.2060082 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 On 12/30/2023 at 11:05 PM, Elias Pettersson said: Ummm, if you have already been offered over $11 million, why would you then only take $10 million? If he's already been offered 11 and didn't sign he's a BOzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, HKSR said: Agreed. We need a 2C so Suter also moves to the 4th line to play against lesser opponents. That's what depth does to other teams, the bottom 6 cause havoc. Boeser-Miller-Petey Mikheyev-2C-Kuzmenko Garland-Blueger-Joshua Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty (this line will eat up the other team's lesser competition) How about this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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