[Report/Rumour] Elias Pettersson Contract Talks

[ronning4center]

4 minutes ago, ronning4center said:

 

 

Edited January 19 by ronning4center

[Alflives]

23 minutes ago, Nucker67 said:

Saw someone post this wild and crazy trade suggestion from a THN article, basically saying he thinks Petey would prefer to play in the east:

 

To Columbus:

Elias Pettersson, Nils Hoglander, Jonathan Lekkerimaki, and a 1st round pick.

 

To Vancouver:

Boone Jenner, Kent Johnson, Adam Fantilli, and David Jiricek

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, ronning4center said:

Sorry Alf.  Petey has me rattl3d with the hold out.  If he doesn't sign by the deadline it puts this Team in a real bind for making decisions on our future roster.  We may have to operate as if he plans to leave.

Not a hold out. Petey is a coming RFA. 

[ronning4center]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

That and elite skill, and physical play. Petey is a physical presence who does do without taking penalties. Elite skill, physical, and very smart. 

Sorry Alf.  Petey has me rattl3d with the hold out.  If he doesn't sign by the deadline it puts this Team in a real bind for making decisions on our future roster.  We may have to operate as if he plans to leave.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, ronning4center said:

Sorry Alf.  Petey has me rattl3d with the hold out.  If he doesn't sign by the deadline it puts this Team in a real bind for making decisions on our future roster.  We may have to operate as if he plans to leave.

Petey is a coming RFA. Plus he will extend here. Benning/Brod are gone. Elite management and coaching now. 

[wai_lai416]

1 hour ago, Coryberg said:

The order is and has been....

Hughes

Hronek 

Cole

Myers

Zadorov 

Soucy

not really but i'm not going to bother arguing.. and if he's there it's because our RD is weak not because he's playing at a top 4 level

[Coryberg]

4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

not really but i'm not going to bother arguing.. and if he's there it's because our RD is weak not because he's playing at a top 4 level

Yeah. We have a horrible team. That's why we are so low in the standings.

[Elias Pettersson]

40 minutes ago, ronning4center said:

Sorry Alf.  Petey has me rattl3d with the hold out.  If he doesn't sign by the deadline it puts this Team in a real bind for making decisions on our future roster.  We may have to operate as if he plans to leave.

 

Isn't Petey in the lineup playing the games, or is that D-Petey in disguise?  

Edited January 19 by Elias Pettersson

[IBatch]

5 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Yea, it's strange behaviour. He either hates the team he's playing for, and can't wait to leave (something personal, has nothing to do about winning). Because if Pettersson was to be taken for his word (he says winning matters a great deal for him), then I am not sure why he wouldn't sign already. What would be the hold up at this point? More money? So if it's not winning, then it's greed. He could have millions, and security already, so I'm not sure what the wait is for? He's also hindering the team. He wants to play for a winner, but he won't sign, and that doesn't help management plan to create a winner (knowing how much cap is left), and how to allocate those funds to build a better, more sustainable winner. In other words, Petey's fucking us over by waiting this long to sign. I say, if he doesn't sign by the end of the season, then something is very wrong. Need to start having conversation about trading him unfortunately. 

 

What the fuck Pettersson. 

 

Your handle is N4ZZY.    13.6% is what Naslund signed for after breaking out.   Was that too greedy?    Same thing back then.   

[Rekker]

9 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Your handle is N4ZZY.    13.6% is what Naslund signed for after breaking out.   Was that too greedy?    Same thing back then.   

Zing!

[Elias Pettersson]

12 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Your handle is N4ZZY.    13.6% is what Naslund signed for after breaking out.   Was that too greedy?    Same thing back then.   

 

So I did some digging around.  In 2005-2006, Naslund's salary was $6 million.  That was the first year of the salary cap.  The cap according to CapFriendly in 2005-2006 was $39 million.  That means Naslund took up 15.38% of the cap.  That is unheard of.  Todd Bertuzzi was at $5,269,080.  So he took up 13.5% of the cap.  So Naslund and Bertuzzi combined took up almost 29% of the cap that year.  Brendan Morrison was at $3,200,000.  So the Westcoast Express took up 37% of the cap.  That is worse than the Leafs today.  That's the equivalent of Petey, Miller and Boeser earning a combined $32.5 million next season...

Edited January 19 by Elias Pettersson

[HKSR]

7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

So I did some digging around.  In 2005-2006, Naslund's salary was $6 million.  That was the first year of the salary cap.  The cap according to CapFriendly in 2005-2006 was $39 million.  That means Naslund took up 15.38% of the cap.  That is unheard of.  Todd Bertuzzi was at $5,269,080.  So he took up 13.5% of the cap.  So Naslund and Bertuzzi combined took up almost 29% of the cap that year.  Brendan Morrison was at $3,200,000.  So the Westcoast Express took up 37% of the cap.  That is worse than the Leafs today.  That's the equivalent of Petey, Miller and Boeser earning a combined $32.5 million next season...

How'd the WCE do in the playoffs? 

[IBatch]

14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

So I did some digging around.  In 2005-2006, Naslund's salary was $6 million.  That was the first year of the salary cap.  The cap according to CapFriendly in 2005-2006 was $39 million.  That means Naslund took up 15.38% of the cap.  That is unheard of.  Todd Bertuzzi was at $5,269,080.  So he took up 13.5% of the cap.  So Naslund and Bertuzzi combined took up almost 29% of the cap that year.  Brendan Morrison was at $3,200,000.  So the Westcoast Express took up 37% of the cap.  That is worse than the Leafs today.  That's the equivalent of Petey, Miller and Boeser earning a combined $32.5 million next season...

Deals signed before the lockout were nutso.    Yes though it was bad.  Nonis had to wait for all the cap to go away too.   Bertuzzi was that much better of a deal, given this as well (Luongo). 

Edited January 19 by IBatch

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, HKSR said:

How'd the WCE do in the playoffs? 

Burke didn’t find those guys a goalie. The guys got “Cloutiered”. 

[Elias Pettersson]

2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

A little unfair given they signed before ... but yes.   What did Burke signed him for though?  His last Canucks deal... 

 

True, I believe they all signed prior to the cap being put in place.  But still, Burke had to work with those numbers regardless.  That was a crazy time.  Luckily the Sedins came in on cheap contracts when they took over...

[IBatch]

21 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

True, I believe they all signed prior to the cap being put in place.  But still, Burke had to work with those numbers regardless.  That was a crazy time.  Luckily the Sedins came in on cheap contracts when they took over...

Even the Sedins were offered a lot of money after their ELC's... cap % wise.  Checked 8.13% on a bridge, that's close to 7 million at today's cap, after a one year arbitration deal.   34,32,31, 54 points for Daniel Sedin, you could say they were slow starters.   Even with Cloutier, if they peaked when Naslund and Co did, we'd of won a cup or two.     6.8 x 3 for 54 points today, there would be some pretty worried about that to say the least.    Lockout did wonders for their game.    It worked out great for them and the team.  

 

Edited January 19 by IBatch

[CanuckMan]

Honestly I can see why Hughes was chosen as the captain over Petey. Hughes had this organization by the balz being the only top 4 NHL worthy RD on the roster and he chose to take a team friendly deal. On the other hand, Petey is holding out right now and causing this team damage because the management wants to sign him before they sign any of the other UFA/RFA’s we have. Which other than Petey we have 7 other key players of this roster to sign. Sign the damn papers if you’re such a team player and get it over with or let management know your true intentions.

[IBatch]

3 minutes ago, CanuckMan said:

Honestly I can see why Hughes was chosen as the captain over Petey. Hughes had this organization by the balz being the only top 4 NHL worthy RD on the roster and he chose to take a team friendly deal. On the other hand, Petey is holding out right now and causing this team damage because the management wants to sign him before they sign any of the other UFA/RFA’s we have. Which other than Petey we have 7 other key players of this roster to sign. Sign the damn papers if you’re such a team player and get it over with or let management know your true intentions.

LHD.   And wrong.  He took a fair deal for what he'd accomplished to date, and some extra for potential.  RFA isn't UFA. 

Edited January 19 by IBatch

[Coryberg]

21 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Even the Sedins were offered a lot of money after their ELC's... cap % wise 

$1,250,000 was their second contract

[EdgarM]

2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

just because he's playing top 4 mins doesn't make him a top 4 defenceman.. ppl dont' even think he's good enough to be the 6/7th defenceman.. on a healthy lineup we have hughes hronek zadorov soucy cole in any order. i don't think you are ranking him ahead of 2 out of those 5.

 

i mean what is unreasonable amount?? everyone in the NHL and every fan base outside of vancouver thinks he's coming in around 12+ while majority of the fan wants him at 10 or less because every player needs to take a discount to play for vancouver if they want to win a cup and keep using the no player over 10mil won a cup arguement when there are literally only 9 players in the league making OVER 10mil prior to this season and 3 of them plays on the leaf.. in a few year time if the cap continues to go up where we see more and more 10mil + star players they are going to say well no one over 11mil ever won the cup then 12mil then 13mil etc and just keep moving the goal post when in reality there are plenty of players at 12%+ of the cap won the cup which is the equivalent of a 10mil+ player. reality no player in the NHL takes massive discount when it comes to their contract.. you might see a 500k here and there.. those that they think took massive discount is just they took a gamble on whether they can continue to get better or worse.. and lost..

 

 

Well thats the thing isn't it. Cap goes up and down, players salaries are all over the place, but what is the obvious is that Petey is not happy with what ever the case may be. He may not even want to play here who knows. 

What I am comfortable with is that he is going to get offered a reasonable amount which is comparable to those who are signed now with similar numbers and stats.

Some seem to think that we are going to pay him for potential but what is that really, he can't even play on his own line he has to go on the top line with Miller as his center to be really productive, thats a concern. 

So is he a center or not? We can't even see how he does with face offs because Miller takes them all now. He has also shown long stretches of inconsistencies which is a ? as well.

There are a lot of variables and I am going to take an uneducated guess and say he is worth in the 10.5-11.5 range? 

On a team standpoint, Miller is our top center and his salary is a measuring stick. Yes Miller is older but he has other attributes such as leadership,faceoff and physical skills, which are helpful in the playoffs. The only downfall, is his age. So there is that. 

[CanuckMan]

29 minutes ago, IBatch said:

LHD.   And wrong.  He took a fair deal for what he'd accomplished to date, and some extra for potential.  RFA isn't UFA. 

Regardless he knew the organization had very little coming up in the D ranks so he had the control not the organization. Petey is a RFA too so what’s different between both of them ?

[N7_Gyoza]

1 hour ago, CanuckMan said:

Regardless he knew the organization had very little coming up in the D ranks so he had the control not the organization. Petey is a RFA too so what’s different between both of them ?

Quinn wasn't 1 year away from free agency he was coming off ELC huge difference 

[IBatch]

5 hours ago, CanuckMan said:

Regardless he knew the organization had very little coming up in the D ranks so he had the control not the organization. Petey is a RFA too so what’s different between both of them ?

One signed term, the other a bridge.   It's actually not a bad thing that they are staggered.    Also we have a chance anyways, of keeping a Canucks jersey on EP, the first 14 years of his career (all of his peak prime too) , with QHs, could be only 10, he's pricing himself out of Vancouver ATM.    

 

 Both were paid fairly, more then they'd actually done so far in the league, some for potential.    EP didn't start outperforming his bridge until last season,  QHs didn't start outperforming his deal until last season too.     Like Horvats deal, both were fair.     

 

Brock underperformed on his first bridge, quite a bit really even if he was a UFA he didn't earn it.    This is the first year he's outperforming, and he's on his second bridge.  So far anyways, needs to get to 30/30 to meet the par line which he surely will.   A long time and a lot of patience, and stoked for him and the team he's finally arrived and met the potential we all saw his rookie year.    Tochett factor there for sure as well.   Strength and conditioning changes.   Qualifying offer likely added 500k to his salary too.   He didn't earn a raise, he got one, and it was still paying for potential (most fantasy writers wrote him off as a 25/25 guy before this season started, after years of 35/40, then 35/35, then 30/30.. finally "what you see is what you get 20 goals and change, around 50 points").      In other words they go all ways don't they?    Trick is to get them

all pulling above their cap, or well above it, at the same time.    This year that's happening aside from Kuzmenko.   

 

  Paying RFAs for more than they've done so has to be tempered.    They aren't UFAs and have a lengthly proven track record to go off of.   8 year deals should be reserved to a select few players.     We are going to find some teams blow it (they've become too common),  banking on guys remaining healthy and reaching their "potential", some won't make it the first half, and then do better, some will just make it fair (Horvat).   Injuries.   It's not always going to work out.   And nobody should call them "team friendly" either, they get paid based on what they've done too, plus some for potential, not paid on what they are going to do (McKinnon was also a fair deal for what he'd actually done up until then, for sure he'd of signed a 3 year bridge if he knew what was coming ... just like he took his fair share of the pie and became the leagues highest paid player for a bit). .    

 

QHs  got extra for his term, which had some UFA years in it.    He didn't "leave money on the table".    That's for sure.   Neither did EP.    If they started out this great, then they'd have much bigger deals right now.    

Edited January 19 by IBatch
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[IBatch]

6 hours ago, Coryberg said:

$1,250,000 was their second contract

It was a one year show me deal done through arbitration.    They didn't do any better, but they believed they would so Nonis offered a 3 year bridge at 8.13%, which again would be like giving 6.8 in todays money, each, for two guys who had Im pretty sure one 20 goal season between them and could barely get 35 points playing top six and second PP unit, It was risky, but turned out the rule changes, and a league minus the Hatchers and Ludwig's was a heck of a lot easier to play in.   The had a tough time, for sure thrown into a top six role they couldn't do.   They were scoring at a Goldobin  rate the first three  seasons.   Then it clicked, bump to 50ish, then a bump again to 70.    

 

It's truly too bad the Sedins couldn't make it work, a couple years early, WCE era seriously lacked in secondary scoring when they were ripping it up.   Not on them though, they did their part and also earned that 6.8 in today's deal right away. 

Edited January 19 by IBatch

[N4ZZY]

8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

So I did some digging around.  In 2005-2006, Naslund's salary was $6 million.  That was the first year of the salary cap.  The cap according to CapFriendly in 2005-2006 was $39 million.  That means Naslund took up 15.38% of the cap.  That is unheard of.  Todd Bertuzzi was at $5,269,080.  So he took up 13.5% of the cap.  So Naslund and Bertuzzi combined took up almost 29% of the cap that year.  Brendan Morrison was at $3,200,000.  So the Westcoast Express took up 37% of the cap.  That is worse than the Leafs today.  That's the equivalent of Petey, Miller and Boeser earning a combined $32.5 million next season...

 

No wonder they never won lol