[Trade] Canucks Trade Anthony Beauvillier to Blackhawks for 2024 5th round pick

[Jester13]

1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

I just thought he was awful defensively last year. Did you see our defence last year? It was statistically one of the worst in history and he contributed quite a bit to that. He makes really boneheaded mistakes and can't play the body worth a damn. His small frame doesn't really fit what we need either in my opinion. He's not bad at moving the puck and skating but how much of that was due to playing with QH. I know I'm in the minority here though but I'm surprised at the number of people who actually thought he was good last year. I didn't see it.

 

I don't mind him trying to earn his way as a 6th/7th defenceman and making around a million so it can be buried but I just think he has a lot to prove to be included in a line-up that is winning hockey games.

 

Is he an upgrade on Friedman and Juulsen. Possibly but I'd like to see that put the test.

Bear is not any better than how Juulsen has been playing.

[Cromeslab]

2 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Bear is not any better than how Juulsen has been playing.

At least Juulson is in the loop

[Cromeslab]

Depth,smart D depth......

[43isprime]

7 minutes ago, spook007 said:

 

Doesn't matter what I say, its what Allvin said? 

But how else would you slice, what he said? Are you suggesting he lied to the fans?

 

I didn't say Beau had the 'value' of a first round pick. I said he IS a first round pick... Just like Juolevi and Virtanen were.... and Petey and Brock etc...

Raty has the value of a late fist round pick (or so management seems to think, and Hronek definitely have the value of a first round pick.

 

 

I can think of only two sensible ways to interpret "...we actually got three first rounders back here":

 

1. He truly believed he got the equivalent of three first round picks, and was wildly wrong in his evaluation of Beauvillier.

 

2. He was being dishonest.

 

The alternative, which is the round-about way of somehow saying Beauvillier was technically a first round pick (8 years ago no less) and Raty *should have* gone in the first round, would be too strange to believe.

 

Frankly, the best of these options is the second. All other alternatives would be incredibly worrisome.

 

Hronek wasn't part of the trade and doesn't figure into his quote, which was made right after the Horvat trade.

[Gawdzukes]

9 minutes ago, Cromeslab said:

At least Juulson is in the loop

 

Not to mention no one knows how you're going to respond to shoulder surgery until you go out and get hit by a Tom Wilson or similar a couple times.

[Cromeslab]

5 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Not to mention no one knows how you're going to respond to shoulder surgery until you go out and get hit by a Tom Wilson or similar a couple times.

It’s always a possibility

[spook007]

Just now, 43isprime said:

 

I can think of only two sensible ways to interpret "...we actually got three first rounders back here":

 

1. He truly believed he got the equivalent of three first round picks, and was wildly wrong in his evaluation of Beauvillier.

 

2. He was being dishonest.

 

The alternative, which is the round-about way of somehow saying Beauvillier was technically a first round pick (8 years ago no less) and Raty *should have* gone in the first round, would be too strange to believe.

 

Frankly, the best of these options is the second. All other alternatives would be incredibly worrisome.

 

Hronek wasn't part of the trade and doesn't figure into his quote, which was made right after the Horvat trade.

 

True Hronek was not part of the trade, but the 1st used to get him was.

 

I still believe he meant, what I said he meant. They may have thought higher of Beau (anybody's guess), who knows, but the fact is, he was a 1st round pick.

 

It doesn't really matter much though, as we now have Hronek, Raty and a 5th + Cap space from the trade... That's a massive win. We can, if we can find a dance partner, upgrade our RHD with the cap space (maybe with a swap of a few players/picks) but we are in a position to strike. Even if its only for a rental (depends on their future plans),

but a deal will be far easier, if they don't have to swap players to become cap compliant.

[43isprime]

15 minutes ago, spook007 said:

 

True Hronek was not part of the trade, but the 1st used to get him was.

 

I still believe he meant, what I said he meant. They may have thought higher of Beau (anybody's guess), who knows, but the fact is, he was a 1st round pick.

 

It doesn't really matter much though, as we now have Hronek, Raty and a 5th + Cap space from the trade... That's a massive win. We can, if we can find a dance partner, upgrade our RHD with the cap space (maybe with a swap of a few players/picks) but we are in a position to strike. Even if its only for a rental (depends on their future plans),

but a deal will be far easier, if they don't have to swap players to become cap compliant.

 

Haha yes, I have no doubt that the first we got from the Isles had the value equivalent to that of a first round pick!

 

I think it's a massive win that we got Beauvillier off our books without retention. My point, however, is that as big of a win as it is now, it was as big of a loss when we took him back in the Horvat trade.

 

So for anyone lauding Allvin for this trade, they should have also been criticizing the inclusion of Beauvillier in the Horvat trade.

 

[conquestofbaguettes]

54 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Bear is not any better than how Juulsen has been playing.

 

Might be a bit of a reach. Yeah, Juulsen has had a rough go of it (mostly due to injuries early in his career) but Bear has been a consistent national league player for the past 4 seasons. Juulsen not so much.

 

Having said that, I'm not the biggest fan of Bears game either. But if it's a choice between the two, it's Bear every time.

[canucks curse]

16 minutes ago, 43isprime said:

 

Haha yes, I have no doubt that the first we got from the Isles had the value equivalent to that of a first round pick!

 

I think it's a massive win that we got Beauvillier off our books without retention. My point, however, is that as big of a win as it is now, it was as big of a loss when we took him back in the Horvat trade.

 

So for anyone lauding Allvin for this trade, they should have also been criticizing the inclusion of Beauvillier in the Horvat trade.

 

We had to take some cap back in the Bo trade 

 

one thing that I find really funny about the bo trade discussion on this forum is that the vast majority forgot the main reason we traded bo and what we truly got back for moving him - cap flexibility 

look at what bo signed for in nYI - that. I tract won’t age well and I’m sure glad we squires cap flexibility 

pa and jr and team sure hit it right moving Bo and getting Hronek while keeping Miller and making Huggy Captain 

[Cromeslab]

The fuck,cap space let’s go!

[Goal_thecup]

3 hours ago, Jester13 said:

Bear is not any better than how Juulsen has been playing.

Noah = 1.5 Bears

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

Haha yes, I have no doubt that the first we got from the Isles had the value equivalent to that of a first round pick!

 

I think it's a massive win that we got Beauvillier off our books without retention. My point, however, is that as big of a win as it is now, it was as big of a loss when we took him back in the Horvat trade.

 

So for anyone lauding Allvin for this trade, they should have also been criticizing the inclusion of Beauvillier in the Horvat trade.

 

 

Beauvillier was a filler to make the cap work.  So, why do we need to be critical of Allvin for it?  Without the inclusion of Beauvillier, the trade could not have happened.

 

When Allvin said he got back the equivalent of 3 first round picks, what he meant was that he got a 1st round pick, Beauvillier was technically taken in the 1st round, and Raty was basically a top 10 ranked player in his draft year who fell in the draft.  He obviously was trying to pump up the trade like any other GM does.

 

So, we don't need to be critical of Allvin at all.  Dumping Beauvillier and his full cap hit in the middle of the season to open up over $4 million in cap space is the equivalent of a 1st round pick.  It was a home run trade.  How many players are traded for 1st round picks just to dump their contracts?  Didn't Toronto trade a 1st round pick just to dump one year of Patrick Marleau's contract?  

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, canucks curse said:

We had to take some cap back in the Bo trade 

 

one thing that I find really funny about the bo trade discussion on this forum is that the vast majority forgot the main reason we traded bo and what we truly got back for moving him - cap flexibility 

look at what bo signed for in nYI - that. I tract won’t age well and I’m sure glad we squires cap flexibility 

pa and jr and team sure hit it right moving Bo and getting Hronek while keeping Miller and making Huggy Captain 

 

This is true.  By trading Horvat, we avoided paying a 60-point centre $8.5 million.  Instead, we signed a 100-point centre in Miller to an even better deal...

[tas]

6 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

I can think of only two sensible ways to interpret "...we actually got three first rounders back here":

 

1. He truly believed he got the equivalent of three first round picks, and was wildly wrong in his evaluation of Beauvillier.

 

2. He was being dishonest.

 

The alternative, which is the round-about way of somehow saying Beauvillier was technically a first round pick (8 years ago no less) and Raty *should have* gone in the first round, would be too strange to believe.

 

Frankly, the best of these options is the second. All other alternatives would be incredibly worrisome.

 

Hronek wasn't part of the trade and doesn't figure into his quote, which was made right after the Horvat trade.

it was just textbook pr damage control spin. he knew it was bullshit but it was believable and not quite a lie. kudos to allvin for doing his job well. 

[Jaimito]

[Canucks Central] Patrik Allvin on His Team’s Needs and Trading Beauvillier #canucksCentral 
https://podcastaddict.com/canucks-central/episode/167639428 

 

[nzan]

10 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

No one saw Beau as a core piece of anything here. That's some funny sports writing.

Right.

It’s from the belief that a marquee player gets you a pick, a prospect and a player.

Except in this case the marquee player was on an expiring contract, so the ‘player’ was a cap dump.

[DisgruntledNucksFan]

If they made cap space to bring in bear over a proper top 6 forward to play with miller and boeser I’ll be disappointed 

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, DisgruntledNucksFan said:

If they made cap space to bring in bear over a proper top 6 forward to play with miller and boeser I’ll be disappointed 

I think it all depends on what becomes available.

 

The good thing is it seems like they’re good at getting ahead of players being available and are willing to act quickly.

 

Im sure if a good top 6 becomes available that they can afford then they’ll jump on it. That’s probably at the deadline after a trade for D which I would imagine they wanna make well before that.

[JayDangles]

9 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

I can think of only two sensible ways to interpret "...we actually got three first rounders back here":

 

1. He truly believed he got the equivalent of three first round picks, and was wildly wrong in his evaluation of Beauvillier.

 

2. He was being dishonest.

 

The alternative, which is the round-about way of somehow saying Beauvillier was technically a first round pick (8 years ago no less) and Raty *should have* gone in the first round, would be too strange to believe.

 

Frankly, the best of these options is the second. All other alternatives would be incredibly worrisome.

 

Hronek wasn't part of the trade and doesn't figure into his quote, which was made right after the Horvat trade.

I think its the alternative to be honest. 

The 1st round pick is obviously a 1st.

Beau was a 1st round pick so that's a truthful statement.

Raty could have gone in the 1st based on some evaluations.

Allvin said three 1sts because he is trying to dress it up a bit, but it definitely wasn't a stretch.

That trade was a home run considering Horvat was an expiring UFA.

[WeneedLumme]

9 hours ago, 43isprime said:

So for anyone lauding Allvin for this trade, they should have also been criticizing the inclusion of Beauvillier in the Horvat trade.

 

You are talking as if Beauvillier was a negative value asset/albatross that hamstringed us. As it turns out, he didn't fit that well here so we just traded him, with no salary retention, receiving an asset in return. This makes it clear that he actually has value and that what you just posted is silly.

[Alflives]

2 hours ago, tas said:

it was just textbook pr damage control spin. he knew it was bullshit but it was believable and not quite a lie. kudos to allvin for doing his job well. 

Actually new Beau in our time with us had almost exactly the same goals and points as Fat Wallet has with the islanders during the same timeframe. So, by your standard, Fat Wallet must have been a cap dumperoo. 
And then Allvin (who is Gillis great) flipped the first and stole Hronek! Hronek is top five in NHL D in scoring. What’s Fat Wallet doing? 

[DrJockitch]

6 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

You are talking as if Beauvillier was a negative value asset/albatross that hamstringed us. As it turns out, he didn't fit that well here so we just traded him, with no salary retention, receiving an asset in return. This makes it clear that he actually has value and that what you just posted is silly.

To get back to the first rounder, ask the Leafs what salary cap space costs for a player with little value. 
$4M in cap space at the end of the flat cap era is a significant asset to add to that 5th for a player that didn’t fit. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by DrJockitch

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, WeneedLumme said:

You are talking as if Beauvillier was a negative value asset/albatross that hamstringed us. As it turns out, he didn't fit that well here so we just traded him, with no salary retention, receiving an asset in return. This makes it clear that he actually has value and that what you just posted is silly.

 

Beau just didn't have much value. Lou was smart to keep him in the deal. And who knows, maybe he finds his game with Miller.

 

Im sure they would have preferred to move Garland to Chi but this was a good trade for both teams. 

[tas]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Actually new Beau in our time with us had almost exactly the same goals and points as Fat Wallet has with the islanders during the same timeframe. So, by your standard, Fat Wallet must have been a cap dumperoo. 
And then Allvin (who is Gillis great) flipped the first and stole Hronek! Hronek is top five in NHL D in scoring. What’s Fat Wallet doing? 

i have no issues with beauvillier or the trade whatsoever, but the fact remains that anthony was a warm body and a cash swap and allvin equating him to a 1st rounder was total spin. 

 

again, no complaints from me.