[Trade] Canucks acquire Nikita Zadorov from the Flames

[Bure_Pavel]

9 minutes ago, Zadorov said:

I hope we can extend him long term. 6'6 250 pound TANK that can score. He is the missing piece on the backend.

Biased much. Yeah Hughes, Hronek, Soucy, and Zadorov are a good D core going forward. Balance of size, toughness, skating, and skill. 

[Jaimito]

 

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

The player we all wanted Tryamkin to be, and he ours!

[Jaimito]

big # for a big guy 

 

 

[Outsiders]

13 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I would assume an extension gets done pretty quick, their best friend Dan has probably already discussed what Big Z is looking for prior to the trade. 

I don't know about a deal getting done quickly. I could see one being done early Feb after he plays 20-25 games. I totally agree tho, Canucks management definitely discussed with Dan about the perimeters of a contract extension. Canucks wouldn't have made this trade if they knew he was after 6x6.

 

Think they end up at 4.4 million on a 5 year deal

[Coryberg]

2 hours ago, Darius said:

I’m thinking Bozek and Reinhart for a third rounder back in like 88.  Reinhart was a fabulous d man on the latter part of his career. With those two guys in the lineup plus rookie Linden the  Canucks got within a goalpost ( or Stan smyl shot) of knocking off the flames in game 7 1989 .. the year the lames won the cup. 

You beat me to it. Definitely the biggest trade as far as what we received.

 

Honorable mention to Dana Murzyn for Ronnie Sturn and Kevan Guy.

[AatuD2]

15 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

There was an interesting comment Allvin made on 650 the other day talking about how Tocchet's system & that the way he wants to play makes them think they can find guys who might provide more value in here than they've shown elsewhere.

 

I'm not sold on Zadorov as a top 4 guy either but I do think he really fits with how they want us to play, and physically he has a ton of desirable tools. I'm excited to see what he can do here & how this coaching staff can help maximize his game.

 

 

 

I'll change my tune the first time Zadorov blows up someone on the other team. 

 

 

[Coryberg]

9 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

big # for a big guy 

 

 

This is ridiculous... how dare he take Vitali Kravtsov's number!!! 

[Mando27]

32 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I would assume an extension gets done pretty quick, their best friend Dan has probably already discussed what Big Z is looking for prior to the trade. 

I actually hope they don't rush to extend him, rather see how he plays with the team first.

[Tower102]

17 minutes ago, Nucker67 said:

Looks like Zadorov will wear #91. 

 

Also, from The Hockey Writers today

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-low-return-zadorov-trade-canucks/

 

Conroy the Easy Loser in This Trade

This return, to put it lightly, is very underwhelming. There were several teams in on Zadorov, who brings the size and physicality that is needed come the playoffs. The fact that this was the best Conroy was able to get is very disappointing, and shows his inexperience in the position.

I'm not sure why this is the popular opinion. Lets break things down a little.

 

Zadorov is a bottom pairing D-man that can fill some minutes in the top 4. He's basically a Tyler Myers that shoots left but uses his size more for physicality. They both skate well for their size, can move the puck and bring offense but also tend to make costly give a ways and take a lot of penalites. Maybe a hybrid Myers/Soucy who both also are ideal bottom pair guys that can play some top 4 minutes. 

 

He wasn't happy and requested a trade.

 

He is making over 3m a year.

 

UFA at end of the year. 

 

Why is a 3rd and 5th too low? Just because some people were over rating him and thought he could go for more? It's more or less fair value without the public trade request, with it, teams were always going to play harder ball and have the leverage over the Flames. 

 

While its not directly comparable to Beauvillier, it somewhat is. He was a middle six guy not getting a fair shot here, making 4m and expiring contract. Not as much value as a Dman and slightly higher contract so you won't expect the trade value to be equal. But one got a 5th which had fans happy to have just gotten rid of the contract, while the other got that exact 5th PLUS a 3rd (WAY more value) and people are critizing Conroy?

 

I think its a fine move by Conroy, maybe they could have got more at the deadline when teams seem to overpay for rentals because they get a bit more desperate, but you also don't want to drag a situation out too long while a player has publicly requested a trade.

 

It's a fine move by the Canucks to stop gap Soucy's long term injury, but for me its just that. We spent a 3rd to eliminate the damage of a Soucy injury and improve depth for when he is back. It doesn't put us into the legit contender category that an Andersson type deal would have that improves our top 4. 

[aGENT]

5 minutes ago, Tower102 said:

I'm not sure why this is the popular opinion. Lets break things down a little.

 

Zadorov is a bottom pairing D-man that can fill some minutes in the top 4. He's basically a Tyler Myers that shoots left but uses his size more for physicality. They both skate well for their size, can move the puck and bring offense but also tend to make costly give a ways and take a lot of penalites. Maybe a hybrid Myers/Soucy who both also are ideal bottom pair guys that can play some top 4 minutes. 

 

He wasn't happy and requested a trade.

 

He is making over 3m a year.

 

UFA at end of the year. 

 

Why is a 3rd and 5th too low? Just because some people were over rating him and thought he could go for more? It's more or less fair value without the public trade request, with it, teams were always going to play harder ball and have the leverage over the Flames. 

 

While its not directly comparable to Beauvillier, it somewhat is. He was a middle six guy not getting a fair shot here, making 4m and expiring contract. Not as much value as a Dman and slightly higher contract so you won't expect the trade value to be equal. But one got a 5th which had fans happy to have just gotten rid of the contract, while the other got that exact 5th PLUS a 3rd (WAY more value) and people are critizing Conroy?

 

I think its a fine move by Conroy, maybe they could have got more at the deadline when teams seem to overpay for rentals because they get a bit more desperate, but you also don't want to drag a situation out too long while a player has publicly requested a trade.

 

It's a fine move by the Canucks to stop gap Soucy's long term injury, but for me its just that. We spent a 3rd to eliminate the damage of a Soucy injury and improve depth for when he is back. It doesn't put us into the legit contender category that an Andersson type deal would have that improves our top 4. 

He's better defensively than Myers, sure he'll make an occasional chaos-giraffe-esque gaffe, but game to game, he's more reliable defensively. Should also extend at ~2/3 Myers hit, and is younger and plays meaner.

[RolexSub]

3 hours ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Crouse is a winger

Sorry got Jakob Chychrun and Crouse mixed up....lol!!! Some how I was thinking of Chychrun because he was in the trade market last year. Thanks for the correction. 

[Goalie29]

7 minutes ago, Tower102 said:

Why is a 3rd and 5th too low? Just because some people were over rating him and thought he could go for more? It's more or less fair value without the public trade request, with it, teams were always going to play harder ball and have the leverage over the Flames. 

 

Bingo.

 

Doesn't every fanbase overvalue their own players compared to what they can get in return?

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, Baratheon said:

I was curious about this and tried to do some reading on it.  From what I could dig up, Steve Staios was claimed on waivers.  We then lost him in the expansion draft to Atlanta.  Are you thinking of a different player perhaps?  Or maybe I’m missing something. (Different Staios?)

Thanks!  My memory obviously needs fact checking.   So ... is this then the biggest trade ever made with an Alberta team then? 

[aGENT]

15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

We aren’t trading Myers my friend.  If we sign Bear he will be our 7/8 D for now.  He can replace Juulsen and or Friedman.

 

Myers will be needed in the playoffs.  He’s a big body who will be solid on the 3rd pairing…

What if retaining $2m and clearing $4m on Myers means adding a player like a "Crouse" at the TDL?

 

Think like Allvin....

[WHL rocks]

3 years $3.5 mill extension would be great.

 

Similar deal as Soucy. 

 

 

[Tower102]

5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

He's better defensively than Myers, sure he'll make an occasional chaos-giraffe-esque gaffe, but game to game, he's more reliable defensively. Should also extend at ~2/3 Myers hit, and is younger and plays meaner.

Fair enough for sure, but he's closer to Myers than what some people were thinking he was. That difference with Myers and the cap is also why he got a return whereas we have been talking about adding to our side to get rid of Myers. 

[CanucksJay]

This is what I see happening... 

By all accounts, Z is a 5D.

We have Hughes Hronek and then a slew of 5Ds

Cole, Soucy, Myers,  and Z. 

My guess is that the locks for next year are Hughes Hronek Soucy. 

That leaves Cole, Myers and Z as UFAs. I'm pretty sure Z will be signed soon. Canucks have been rumored to be after him for a while. 

 

So now that means

Hughes (1D), Hronek (2D), Soucy (5D) and Z (5D) are locked up. We have Cole and Myers left.

3D is missing while Soucy or Z might be a little in over the heads @ 4D but could probably play up. 

 

Here comes the fantasy ea sports manager idea.. 

 

Is it possible that we trade one of Myers or Cole (preferably Myers and his 6m cap) for cap relief and then take a stab at landing another Hronek type player at the deadline? 

 

Myers is 6m cap but 1m salary. 

If I was a rebuilding org with capspace, I would do a 3 way trade and ask for a 4th or 5th for facilitating the trade for Myers with Myers going to a team (not on his Ltd NTC) with max cap retained for a 2nd rounder. 

Basically, the rebuilding team, for facilitating a trade and retaining cap, are essentially buying a 2nd and a 4th for $250k.

With that 6m cap we gain along with our remaining cap space for this year (2m) can we use that 8m and picks and prospect to get a legit 3D like a Roman Josi?

 

Hughes Hronek 

Josi Soucy 

Zadorov Cole. 

 

I'd obviously want someone younger like an RFA Hronek but just throwing it out there. 

I don't see Nashville trading their captain but their window to win is closed and Josi is on the books for a few more years... 

 

[Nucker67]

12 minutes ago, Tower102 said:

I'm not sure why this is the popular opinion. Lets break things down a little.

 

Zadorov is a bottom pairing D-man that can fill some minutes in the top 4. He's basically a Tyler Myers that shoots left but uses his size more for physicality. They both skate well for their size, can move the puck and bring offense but also tend to make costly give a ways and take a lot of penalites. Maybe a hybrid Myers/Soucy who both also are ideal bottom pair guys that can play some top 4 minutes. 

 

He wasn't happy and requested a trade.

 

He is making over 3m a year.

 

UFA at end of the year. 

 

Why is a 3rd and 5th too low? Just because some people were over rating him and thought he could go for more? It's more or less fair value without the public trade request, with it, teams were always going to play harder ball and have the leverage over the Flames. 

 

While its not directly comparable to Beauvillier, it somewhat is. He was a middle six guy not getting a fair shot here, making 4m and expiring contract. Not as much value as a Dman and slightly higher contract so you won't expect the trade value to be equal. But one got a 5th which had fans happy to have just gotten rid of the contract, while the other got that exact 5th PLUS a 3rd (WAY more value) and people are critizing Conroy?

 

I think its a fine move by Conroy, maybe they could have got more at the deadline when teams seem to overpay for rentals because they get a bit more desperate, but you also don't want to drag a situation out too long while a player has publicly requested a trade.

 

It's a fine move by the Canucks to stop gap Soucy's long term injury, but for me its just that. We spent a 3rd to eliminate the damage of a Soucy injury and improve depth for when he is back. It doesn't put us into the legit contender category that an Andersson type deal would have that improves our top 4. 

 

I wouldn't call this trade a fleece, but VAN got what they needed at a very good cost. Conroy also got what he wanted by removing the unhappy player and now being able to bring up the other Russian D he wanted to get into the lineup. CGY could've gotten more if they dragged it out, other teams were interested.

 

Allvin is like a fierce predator in the jungle, stalking his prey. Chicago is limping from the Perry rumours, and Allvin attacks and takes advantage of the Hawks. Then suddenly, Calgary is in trouble with a disgruntled player, and Allvin attacks again and takes advantage of the Flames. This GM doesn't mess around. What do the Canucks need next? A Top 6 forward? Allvin is currently stalking his next prey.

 

VAN needed size and toughness in a pretty bad way, considering their eyes are on playoffs and making a run. Maybe Big Z brings other intangibles as well, like opponents not taking liberties or picking on Petey, Hughes or Hogz, as much. Other teams might think twice with the Zadorov - Cole pairing on the ice.

[Lemon Face]

4 minutes ago, Tower102 said:

Fair enough for sure, but he's closer to Myers than what some people were thinking he was. That difference with Myers and the cap is also why he got a return whereas we have been talking about adding to our side to get rid of Myers. 

This is forum ,with so many GM.We speculate,pretend we know the best,curse when things dont go our way.Reality is something else.Cap money,players we need,system we run.

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Love you Elizabeth…   

I'm sorry I just had to

 

 

 

[Rip The Mesh]

Wow; Cole needs to lose some Weight /  / kidding..

[Goal_thecup]

43 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

PLAYER                          GP  G     A   TP  PIM  +/-

J.T. Miller (C/W)

24

13

23

36

16

10

Brock Boeser (RW)

24

17

10

27

2

8

Phil Di Giuseppe (LW/RW)

24

3

5

8

15

5

 

One of these things is not like the others, PDG has been great in the role he has been asked to play but that spot can be upgraded for sure. Garland is the superior player of the two, he just makes 5 times as much. I could see a deadline trade to add a better LW that plays a similar style.   

I've got room for PDG but would love to upgrade Garland and give his spot and Beauvillier's to a coupl'a scrappers.

 

Garland:

 

For a Couple Boomers from Ozzie Rules F-Ball:

Tocc:  Ok, ok, settle down.  Let's get the new guys some skates..

[Barn Burner]

27 minutes ago, Tower102 said:

I'm not sure why this is the popular opinion. Lets break things down a little.

 

Zadorov is a bottom pairing D-man that can fill some minutes in the top 4. He's basically a Tyler Myers that shoots left but uses his size more for physicality. They both skate well for their size, can move the puck and bring offense but also tend to make costly give a ways and take a lot of penalites. Maybe a hybrid Myers/Soucy who both also are ideal bottom pair guys that can play some top 4 minutes. 

 

He wasn't happy and requested a trade.

 

He is making over 3m a year.

 

UFA at end of the year. 

 

Why is a 3rd and 5th too low? Just because some people were over rating him and thought he could go for more? It's more or less fair value without the public trade request, with it, teams were always going to play harder ball and have the leverage over the Flames. 

 

While its not directly comparable to Beauvillier, it somewhat is. He was a middle six guy not getting a fair shot here, making 4m and expiring contract. Not as much value as a Dman and slightly higher contract so you won't expect the trade value to be equal. But one got a 5th which had fans happy to have just gotten rid of the contract, while the other got that exact 5th PLUS a 3rd (WAY more value) and people are critizing Conroy?

 

I think its a fine move by Conroy, maybe they could have got more at the deadline when teams seem to overpay for rentals because they get a bit more desperate, but you also don't want to drag a situation out too long while a player has publicly requested a trade.

 

It's a fine move by the Canucks to stop gap Soucy's long term injury, but for me its just that. We spent a 3rd to eliminate the damage of a Soucy injury and improve depth for when he is back. It doesn't put us into the legit contender category that an Andersson type deal would have that improves our top 4. 

I agree. I thought some of the proposed trades were absolute asinine. 

 

In hindsight, even with the Soucy injury, we weren't the ones who were desperate to get a return. 

 

I'm just thankful we didn't sell the farm, like some of those dumbass proposals. 

 

He's okay, but I called him a plug. And he is. He's a big fricken' plug! 

 

But he is chaotic. Let's hope he pans out. 

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Wow; Cole needs to lose some Weight /  / kidding..

I thought Zadorov was 248lbs.