[PGT] Canucks at Flames - F*** CBC Edition

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

3 hours ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Tell me how it's crap 

 

was there or was there not defensive mistakes

 

Is this really the way you want to see the Canucks win against non playoff teams

This guy reminds me of Noah while he was building the ark… Telling everyone the rains coming but everyone was laughing at him…

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Good teams shouldn't lose to these teams and the Canucks lose to SJS 

 

1 extra bounce for the Flames and the Canucks could have lost this game. 

 

The Problem is it isn't just 1 game here and there it is beginning to be every game.

 

NJ is next and they have a finisher in Jack Hughes who shows up every game how do you feel going into that game

Wow.   So you want to fire Tochett.   The front runner for coach of the year?   Because the teams played .500 and a bit hockey the past dozen or so games?    Did you prefer last season, where we were blowing third period multi-goal leads so badly, that other teams didn't sweat it down two going into the third ... 13 and 0 going into the 3rd.    We had a great first period.   Second and third were evenly played.    It was a tight game.   Usually condensed games show the story, Canucks for sure had more chances.    We gave up 3 out manned goals, and the last one Demko makes 9/10 times.    A positional issue.  

 

Think you need to spend a little time learning about whom we are playing.   Bring up NJ.   What about CAL?   Because they are lower in the standings, that means we should beat them right?    Or maybe go back and say we should and take away our wins against EDM while you're at it.   SJ and CAL...how were they playing prior to us playing them.    What did we do to SJ the game before.    

 

Tochett.   Love the guy.   He's the perfect coach for this team right now.   Last year we had the best center depth in the league.   Didn't matter.    Tochett played with QHs, Myers and an AHL defense.   But it was the "weak schedule" last year right?   
 

In case you didn't notice, Allvin just made a trade for another legit NHL D.   Why do you think that is?  Because we are supposed to be great defensively, without Soucy?   Even when he was healthy, our second pairing is the late great Ian Cole (that's sarcasm in case you're not aware) and Friedman.   Yikes.   Not exactly a "solid" second pairing.    Probably the worst second pairing in the NHL on paper.  

 

Continue your quest.   We had a lot of posters like you during the Green era, like somehow, during the deepest part of our rebuild, we were supposed to win a cup or at least be a regular playoff team lol. 

 

The better team won last night.    To start the season, did you want me to show you, what TSN, THN, SN etc, ranked our roster?    And what their predictions were for the season? 

 

Just because you want the team to do better, doesn't mean it should be doing better.   Imagine that, you lose two PK regulars, and one of 5 legit NHLers on the D line, with one of those guys being Myers.   Who was playing great prior to Soucy going down (for him),  and now needs to be relied on a role that usually bites us in the ass.   

 

It's ok to be wrong you know.   Seems like some posters can't get over themselves.   Bring up Miller stuff because they wanted to trade him and sign Horvat.    Or if Brock isn't scoring at a 50-60 point pace start in on him again.   Garland.   EP.   Whomever their favourite whipping boy used to be. 

 

Tochett is 100% honest and usually pretty accurate in his post game stuff and any media stuff.   Even during our winning streak and hot start was even keeled about it.   Also predicted it wouldn't last (of course it wouldn't, shooting percentages unsustainable, and we are not at all like the 70's habs...dominating most teams a dozen or so HHOFers lol).   

 

Canucks were the better team last night.    Some night we will lose games we deserved to win as well, and same with winning games we deserved to lose.   Last night wasn't a game we deserved to lose, and well, just like you said we should do, beat a team below us in the standings (a ridiculous expectation to do every game BTW, there are 20-22 teams in the league that have a decent shot at beating the other 27 or so teams in the league every night ... let you figure out who the other five are). 

 

If Demko made the 6-5 save (better positioning and remaining upright, no problem), and it was 4-2 instead (two PP goals), would you have come on here and complained so hard?   And what did Tochett do to you personally.    Odd take.   At least King Heffy was straight with his dis-like.   

 

[JIAHN]

3 hours ago, iinatcc said:

 

Was listening to Drance and Dodd on Sportsnet 650.The problem isn't teams win ugly games. It's that the Canucks haven't played well for awhile now. The only good game Canucks had since the last Edmonton win was the Montreal game.

Compared to who?

[JIAHN]

3 hours ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Good teams shouldn't lose to these teams and the Canucks lose to SJS 

 

1 extra bounce for the Flames and the Canucks could have lost this game. 

 

The Problem is it isn't just 1 game here and there it is beginning to be every game.

 

NJ is next and they have a finisher in Jack Hughes who shows up every game how do you feel going into that game

Canucks 5 - 2

[Jaimito]

 

 

[iinatcc]

12 minutes ago, JIAHN said:

Compared to who?

 

Just compared to stats. 5 on 5, PK, the bottom 6 driving play, etc. you can listed to the Canucks Talk podcast in Sportsnet if you are curious. 

 

Generally Drance sees things like how a Vegas odd maker would see things. 

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, Vancan said:

 

Well if you say seriously what makes you think hes a big hitter? Couple youtube vids? He isn't even on the top 30 players for hits this year. Dakota Joshawa has more hits then hm, and less gp. 

 

Anyway don't mention the fact you don't take me seriously, couldn't care less, and was not hoping you would. 

There is a big difference between Zadarov and Soucy exploding guys, or just a regular hit, then say a relative love tap from a player like say Biega or Motte finishing their checks and getting that recorded as a hit.   It's one of the sillier things that get tracked (although I have no issue with that).   Hitting is a lost art, you don't see it nearly as often as we did since head hunting (also no problem with that) was banned.    Thanks to Cooke.   Went from where the head was the main point of contact getting banned, to no head contact at all.  
 

Schenn leads the league since it's been tracked, there is also a huge difference between Steven's or Rob Blake or even Ohlund.    Mitchell too.   That's how long we've waited to have a player who could lay someone out.  We have two now (Soucy can explode guys too).    Of course it's not going to happen every game.   But just having guys like that on our team, is going to make it a lot tougher to play against, and give other teams pause when they are out on the ice.   Including guys like Ovi, who can also hit ... Zadarov flattened him too. 

 

Soucy was MIN most effective D in the bubble.    Was smashing our forwards.    Personally, am absolutely stoked, we now have a big ingredient, one that's value goes way up in the playoffs (Myers was great for us in the bubble, our best all around D.. and also did that for WNP once as well, when Byfuglien went down).     Soucy/Myers.. Myers was playing some of the best hockey as a Canuck prior to him going down.  

 

Cole isn't a slouch in that department either.   His hits aren't love taps.    We now have a D core, that can wear out other teams.   Grind them up.    Also as for quantity of hits, often you lose your positioning to throw a hit.    It's one stat, where quality matters a lot more than quantity.   It's pretty rare these days, that there still are guys who can change the complexion of a game, or a series, with one hit.    We've got two of the very best in the league now.    Also with this weird trend that gloves are dropped as soon as a big legal hit is thrown..:expect more of that too.   Not sure many guys would want to take Z on.  

Edited December 3, 2023 by IBatch

[Sergiomomesso]

4 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Heh, remember the 100+ point regular seasons when *SOME* people would complain about such "important" things like "Why doesn't AV call a timeout?"   Or, why is Bryon Ritchie on the power play?

I loved the over/under bets pregame on how many times Mason Raymond hits the deck untouched by the opponent. His career average has to be over 5.5 at the very least. 

[Mr Wrong]

I think the schedule is getting a bit easier in December. I hope they can get over .500 again. It was very tough in November. And getting even harder in January and especially February. February is hard af. We will see. GCG. 

[IBatch]

43 minutes ago, Mr Wrong said:

I think the schedule is getting a bit easier in December. I hope they can get over .500 again. It was very tough in November. And getting even harder in January and especially February. February is hard af. We will see. GCG. 

Need a healthy roster.   At least our D and Demko. 

[iinatcc]

44 minutes ago, Mr Wrong said:

I think the schedule is getting a bit easier in December. I hope they can get over .500 again. It was very tough in November. And getting even harder in January and especially February. February is hard af. We will see. GCG. 

 

In terms of road to home games ratio sure but this is also games against Carolina, Tampa, Florida, Dallas and NJ 

 

Anyways I really don't understand discussing schedule always. It's all part of the game and all teams play an 82 game schedule.

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

2 hours ago, PistolPete13 said:

Of all the gin joints, in all the world, she walks into mine.

 

What movie is that from?

Edited December 3, 2023 by I.AM.THE.WALRUS

[Crimson JH]

3 hours ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

Who is our next opponent?
New Jersey?

Yep… that Devil…

 

[AmyTheGma]

6 hours ago, BIGGESTCANUCKSFANEVER said:

 

I don’t know if I know how to read these graphs, but it looks to me like they have Hughes in last place in a bunch of categories including offence.  I can not see anything else except that which is ridiculous.  He scored and was flying around all night setting up chances.

[Alflives]

6 hours ago, Rounoush said:

Other way around. Karlsson went offside.

Hogs made a move at the blue line which slowed down the play. Hogs and Gsrlsnd were both benched because they don’t play smart defensive hockey. 

[Alflives]

51 minutes ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

What movie is that from?

Casablanca. 

[Mr Wrong]

1 hour ago, iinatcc said:

 

In terms of road to home games ratio sure but this is also games against Carolina, Tampa, Florida, Dallas and NJ 

 

Anyways I really don't understand discussing schedule always. It's all part of the game and all teams play an 82 game schedule.

True. That is why I am not comparing Canucks schedule to another teams schedule. But you can compare different months to another. And relatively speaking some months are tougher than others. In the end the team may even thrive in the tough months. We will see. 

[DelPiLeo]

Hate losing to the Flames, so no matter what every win against them is always a good win. 
 

Let’s start another winning streak from this one.

[JIAHN]

2 hours ago, iinatcc said:

 

Just compared to stats. 5 on 5, PK, the bottom 6 driving play, etc. you can listed to the Canucks Talk podcast in Sportsnet if you are curious. 

 

Generally Drance sees things like how a Vegas odd maker would see things. 

No disrespect, but I am not a Drance lover. Dance either states the obvious or is wrong half the time. To be honest he kind of annoys me. But each to their own. I always ask the question, well, if everything is so bad, then how did they win? It wasn't Demko, which is usually how they steel games so exactly how? It is a 60 minute game and it is the micro mistakes that kill you.....Calgary is playing above 500 hockey since their slow start, yet we won...I ask how if All is so bad.

Edited December 3, 2023 by JIAHN

[Canuckleheads Fan]

Good game for several reasons, Petey looked much more like his healthy self; Lafferty is a great fit on that line, like PDG, he brings his lunchbox to the rink but he has far better speed, more finish, and the ability to take faceoffs. If he becomes the long-term right winger on that line, he will threaten 30 goals this year; what a fantastic pickup by PA. They should sign him now because he will only get more expensive playing with Petey. Zadorov looked okay; it was apparent on a few occasions that he was thinking about where he should be or where the puck should go. The thought process will improve in the next few weeks. That pairing did an excellent job five-on-five at keeping everything outside because of their length. There were times Demko looked great, but that Lindholm goal, where he completely lost the net, that was horid. I hope he's okay after getting bowled over on the Lame's first goal. I was afraid in the second that we were going to get goalied by Marky again; the Canucks by far controlled the high chances; it should have been 4 or 5-1 going into the third.

 

Oh, and take it easy on poor old Harnarayan; yes, he sucks; he has always sucked, but he sucks slightly less when the Coilers aren't playing. I watched the highlights just to enjoy the win a second time, and did not think his call showed favoritism. The goal he seemed most pumped for was Lafferty's. Having broadcast sports in my last life, I know that if you don't have a dog in the fight, you hope for a close, exciting game, so it makes sense that he might get a little excited when the Lames make their comeback. Those last five minutes were edge-of-your-seat exciting. But honestly, Shorty is the PxP guy in hockey, and Rick Ball is a close second. I would far rather listen to one of them do the game. I understand that CBC is reaching out to the Punjabi audience, but are they really that big?

 

[AmyTheGma]

6 hours ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Vegas lost Theodore and Martinez from their D and had to re-adjust the Canucks lost Soucy and haven't re-adjusted since. what happens if they lose Hughes or Hronek

I think people’s expectations are too high due to our fantastic start.  We are not as good as LA, Vegas, Colorado and a few of the top tier eastern teams.  The fact that we are even close should be reason for optimism.  We don’t have the depth that those teams have and it shows when we lose any players,  it even key players.  To answer the question about what if we lose Hughes or Hronek or Petey or Miller.  We will be losing the majority of those games until we get them back most likely.  We can still beat some tired or lousy teams,  but we have a very nice cushion over the last wild card teams, so hopefully that is enough to get us to the playoffs.  We really shouldn’t expect anything more than that and then we won’t be disappointed.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, AmyTheGma said:

I don’t know if I know how to read these graphs, but it looks to me like they have Hughes in last place in a bunch of categories including offence.  I can not see anything else except that which is ridiculous.  He scored and was flying around all night setting up chances.

Pretty sure it's based on what you expect from each player.   So.  If you made a graph from best to worst - it would look so different.   So much silly analytics these days, some caught on, some have not.   My suggestions is stick to the basic stats, and go from there.   And every single advanced stat, needs to be reflected based on quality of competition.   One of the best baselines is TOI.   That shows you, how much a coach trusts that player.   Separating EV, PK and PP also matters.    If a third line is playing against a top line ... and winning possession and is not a minus then great!    Excellent.   

 

Coaches used to ask anyone up against Mario and Gretzky just to try and tie him.   IF they could tie him, that was a huge win. 

[IBatch]

35 minutes ago, AmyTheGma said:

I think people’s expectations are too high due to our fantastic start.  We are not as good as LA, Vegas, Colorado and a few of the top tier eastern teams.  The fact that we are even close should be reason for optimism.  We don’t have the depth that those teams have and it shows when we lose any players,  it even key players.  To answer the question about what if we lose Hughes or Hronek or Petey or Miller.  We will be losing the majority of those games until we get them back most likely.  We can still beat some tired or lousy teams,  but we have a very nice cushion over the last wild card teams, so hopefully that is enough to get us to the playoffs.  We really shouldn’t expect anything more than that and then we won’t be disappointed.

Yep.  CanucksFanForever sounds a lot like the whiny Green era posters.   Like somehow a more experienced coach was going to do better lol.  NOT.   Scotty Bowman would have quit pretty early on (would have never taken the gig in the first place).    Tochett got the start we so needed.   Allvin improved the roster but come on, Cole and Friedman was never a legit second pairing.   Soucy and Myers is above average for a third pairing.  Our top pairing for sure is the difference maker. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by IBatch

[TheGuardian]

Wow, Canucks really dominated in spurts

Big guys look slow, Zardov looked slow but was never beat, not his #1 game but that is to be expected.

Hoglander suddenly benched half way through the third period

Myers looked pretty good, he did look fast, quick.

Fit their MO, win one, lose one.

Best game Petey has had for a few weeks.

No apparent injuries 

[Mackcanuck]

We won!

"The We didn't win good enough" whiners can go pound sand!

When 1 hand face palm just isn't enough!