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[GDT] New Jersey Devils @ Vancouver Canucks | Dec 5th @ Rogers Arena - 7pm PT/10pm ET| [The Hughes Brothers Edition]


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42 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

He had a devil within two feet on either side of him.  The only other play he has was a pass to the middle.  He should have held the puck, but he made a bad decision, made worse by lack of fwd support and d partner completely out of position.  They all had equal blame on that play.

 

If that's how you saw the play I wouldn't want you playing defence if you can't process that quickly. No wonder you're always defending him. He had many options to get the puck anywhere but a tape to tape pass to Hughes. It's different if you have no time but he had all day to make his mind up and make a decisive play. It was a piss poor play plain and simple. don't know why that's so hard to admit. It seems like you've gone so overboard on defending the Myers bashing that you've lost the grasp on when he actually does make a bad play.

 

It's clear now why we disagree. I think if you go back and take a look and be honest he could have and should have cleared the puck hard and high down the boards like normal defenceman do in that situation. You act like this was some bang bang play but man did he ever have time to find an opening. You're just making excuses for him.

 

Edit: It's a hockey puck, not a rugby ball. It's not like you can't shoot it "through" guys. No reason to eat the puck or throw it in the middle.

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2 minutes ago, DelPiLeo said:

What happen in the last 3 mins? They look like they stopped playing after the tying goal.

Well they aren’t listening to the coach if they stop playing for the last three min after tying it up. That worries me a bit with the amount of coaches this core has gone through. When is it on them?

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:


I hope he realizes he’ll be setting himself up if he goes for max dollars.

 

Cant imagine how the fans would respond if he was making 12 mil and playing like this. Not to mention the contract becomes unmovable even if he did want a change of scenery.

Petey is playing like he doesn't want more money than team drivers Hughes and Miller after all, and I'm ok with that

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Tbh entertaining game even with the loss just as a hockey fan in general 

 

defence was weak tonight blown coverage on that goal shouldnt of happened 

 

zodorov seems to rely on his length in the defensive zone to me its looks lazy 

 

onto the next

 

p.s no way peteys not injured

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Oh man.  Knew this would be a tire fire the way we lost and wasn’t disappointed.  
 

Hope we win the next one to keep the .500 magic rolling.  Suter, Soucy and Bear back after Xmas and we’ll be back in the driver’s seat.  
 

Schedule is reasonable for awhile, too.  Just gotta get a few practices and home cooked meals in here for a bit. Guys look cooked.  Need to avoid that crash we saw with Torts that one year.

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A few brief notes:

- All around not very good over the past number of games, a lot of sloppy passes/playing out of position/poor breakouts.

- Obviously missing Soucy (notably bad, Myers. Z and Myers is a dangerous pairing. IMHO Cole hasn't looked great either)

- Really enjoyed seeing Hogz get a chance in the top six, need some energy and tenacity.

- Not sure how to utilize Mikheyev effectively

- Good effort to push back in the third, the team deserves some praise for that. Tough loss.

 

GCG

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That was an entertaining hockey game when often regular season games can be unwatchable.

 

Two teams with similar hard forechecking, high pressure styles.

 

They just executed better overall and their chances mostly went in while we didn’t get much puck luck and made some bad defensive gaffs.

 

Mikheyev must not be at 100%.  His speed hasn’t been on display as much.  We needed that this game against a faster team.

 

It was easy to rotate Demko out when we were winning every game, we have seen before how he plays when he gets tired.  This wasn’t in him, but a rested Demko probably makes a couple more of those saves.

 

Kuzmenko seems in a sophomore slump.  If you take his and Garland’s salary right now it isn’t getting value.  Jersey is getting full value from its veteran support guys like Toffoli and Haula… though Meier looked terrible.

 

None of our D aside from Hughes looked that great tonight.  Hronek is really falling off lately.  Anyone who plays with Myers gets worse… so maybe try Zadorov somewhere else.

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2 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Devils put on too much pressure Canucks couldn't handle it..

 

Devils are a fast team. We don't have the horses to keep up with their speed..

 

so we're not big enough to go against the Vegas' of the league, and we're not fast enough to deal with the speed of the Devils....have we lost our identity? 

 

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1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Garland + Kuzmenko for Laine

Myers on waivers / traded 50% retention for bag of pucks

Sign Bear

 

Laine - Pettersson - Mikheyev

Hoglander - Miller - Boeser

Joshua - Suter - Lafferty

Aman - Blueger - PDG

 

Hughes - Hronek

Soucy - Cole

Zadorov - Bear


I don’t know that Laine is the answer, but that $10.5 million in Kuz/Garland cap space spent on a $2 million dollar grinder and a! $8.5 million dollar high end player probably helps the team more than two middle six guys offensive guys who can’t consistently produce.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Yep. They lack players that hold others accountable. They need to get a whole lot tougher if they want to touch those elite teams in the future.

It’s one loss. Then again it’s a pattern.  How bad do these guys want it? If it’s a lot then this is not the way to play. One win one lose. Can’t win against top teams. Lose against mediocre teams. Pipe dream that’s what they’re selling us. Petey dreaming about the $$$, Miller already paid so dgaf, Demko not himself. 
 

far from being a playoff team unless something changes to get their heads into the fucking game. 

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1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Kuzmenko and Mikeheyev are not plugs. L take. 

the fuk u talking about?? do you even read the previous quote or u just decides to randomly jump into a convo with 0 context? he wants to replace kuzmenko and mikheyev with hoglander and laffety?? 2 3rd/4th line players?? so if he thinks hoglander and laffety are top 6 while demoting kuzmenko and mikheyev to the 3rd/4th line? then that makes kuzmenko and mikheyev are 3/4th liner. we have maybe 1-2 top 6 proven top 6 wingers on this team?? prolly just boeser?? everyone else is non proven as a top 6? kuzmenko with 1 season =/= proven? mikheyev have been a career 3rd liner until he got to vancouver? his stats are ok so far this season.. but how effective is he against playoff teams? all 7 of his goals came against teams that missed the playoff.. and only 2 of his total points came against a playoff team this season.. so again not proven. 

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:


Since when is Hoglander a plug?

 

Last time I checked he was a skilled young former 2nd round pick. 
 

Players like Lafferty get elevated up the lineup by coaches all the time, even on good teams.

 

Could we use another top 6? For sure. But there’s nothing wrong with these guys being mixed in with a top 6 of Petey, Kuzmenko, Miller, and Boeser.

 

 

hoglander is not quite a plug but he's not top 6 either. shooting at 25% is unsustainable and require luck. so you think kuzmenko is going to rediscover his game by getting demoted? or you think we should try to move him as a cap dump? let's be real.. kuzmenko is a skilled forward with questionable defence.. always is always will be.. RT tried to turn him into a 200 ft forward that's defence first offence second.. and now he's neither a offensive forward nor a defensive forward.. you literally don't see him take any risk in the offensive zone to beat defenders to the point he's almost passive.. players like lafferty who's been a 4th liner in his career.. gets elevated all the time?? even on good teams?? again please give example of this 4th liner playing top 6 all the time on good teams. better yet name a cup winner that elevated their 3/4th line player from the bottom of their depth chart into top 6 mins outside of injuries?

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27 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

hoglander is not quite a plug but he's not top 6 either. shooting at 25% is unsustainable and require luck. so you think kuzmenko is going to rediscover his game by getting demoted? or you think we should try to move him as a cap dump? let's be real.. kuzmenko is a skilled forward with questionable defence.. always is always will be.. RT tried to turn him into a 200 ft forward that's defence first offence second.. and now he's neither a offensive forward nor a defensive forward.. you literally don't see him take any risk in the offensive zone to beat defenders to the point he's almost passive.. players like lafferty who's been a 4th liner in his career.. gets elevated all the time?? even on good teams?? again please give example of this 4th liner playing top 6 all the time on good teams. better yet name a cup winner that elevated their 3/4th line player from the bottom of their depth chart into top 6 mins outside of injuries?

Personally I don't think Lafferty has enough skill to play Pettersson, even though I love his work ethic. However, to answer your question the 2015-16 and 2016-17 Pittsburgh Penguins. Even ignoring that the Penguins 3rd line was their highest scoring line in the playoffs in 2015-16, both Conor Sheary and Bryan Rust were given regular shifts with Crosby both those seasons and cup runs. When they weren't playing with Crosby they were usually on the 4th line.

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I say this with no disrespect to the team, but we still do not have enough drivers, nor FO experts. Yes we have improved, and are going the right direction finally, but we need more size and drive.

 

As for EP...IMO he is not a driver, he is an elite specialist, and carries his line through talent, not necessarily drive.

 

When injured, the talent is not enough and can not show case itself. 

 

IMO, we need one more forward and one more Dman...to compete with the elite clubs consistently. AKA the playoffs

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7 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

Except Calgary fans were livid with the return. Cute story though. 

Your reply is cute.   They expected more but weren’t livid.  It’s like us expecting a 1st for Myers and getting upset that we got a 5th.   Majority of them were glad they got a couple of picks

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7 hours ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

Petey is injured 

 

He’s totally playing way below his level… Something is definitely wrong with him he has to be injured…

 

my concern is that since we’ve had him on our team he is often injured maybe it’s better to have more durable players who are consistent… 
 

Petey could provide a top 4 defenceman and a decent centre for all we know…

 

I don’t know it’s just frustrating to watch this guy get injured and disappear for long periods of time

He isnt injured. He is playing some serious disinterested hockey. Remember 2 years ago he started the season with i think 6 goals in his first 27 games until Beadreau came in and helped him.

A wrist injury, which is what most folks are guessing at... isn't enough for him to just dissappear. Plus you seeing how he is trying to hit guys out there? You don't try to make big hits when you're injured.

 

I'm telling you folks, there might be a small injury, but I see 80% mental issues rather than physical.

 

He is always falling down. Always looking to the refs for calls. Hardly celebrating when his teammates score. Petey has checked out. 

It's 1 or 2 scenarios. 

1. He doesn't like the offer the canucks have made him. Taking it personal. 

2. He has already decided he won't be signing here and has to play out the season. 

 

Fans need to realize while vancouver is a great place, not every player in the NHL dreams of playing here their whole career.

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