[PGT] Minnesota @ Vancouver

[kilgore]

37 minutes ago, IBatch said:

I actually got the sarcasm.   Where the heck is Apollo anyways? 

He showed up on CDC this last Tuesday.  In a thread started by Coconuts.  "CDC will be here tomorrow".  Check it out.  I invited him to this forum.  Hope he shows up.  Nothing like the unfettered optimism of apollo to cheer the place up.

[PhillipBlunt]

 

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

 

Awesome 

we missed this guy 

[Rip The Mesh]

For the time being, guess Rick is going with the "if it worked, do it the same way again"

[CaptainCanuck12]

Looks like Karlsson was sent back to Abby.

[HKSR]

15 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

 

Huge.  People don't realize how big a loss this was when he got injured.  Soucy is the other one. 

 

If/when we get healthy, I think we're gonna run into cap issues?

[Silent Man]

1 hour ago, Barnstorm said:

According to SN 650 Pius Suter is on the ice and practicing with the team

today.

Great news!

[Vancan]

Just now, Silent Man said:

Great news!

 

Our penalty kill is the happiest to hear the good news!

[Gawdzukes]

50 minutes ago, IBatch said:

No they had solid board battles often though.  Didn't they?  And also used their sticks, hooked guys all the time.   Sedins weren't "soft" players.   They had active sticks, slashed a lot too.  I highly doubt Tochett is asking Kuzwmenko to do that.   

 

Media has taken "getting into the forecheck" and run with it.   There is a lot more to that.  Checking guys is just that.  Doesn't have to be "crash and bang".    The Sedins were good forechecker's in that they checked their man.    Also I don't like the media spin on that either.   Tochett has already asked them to stop singling him out, not sure why we should either.   Maybe he's in the doghouse.    Also if he's a real pro, Tochett, he will know when to ease off on the reigns, but that shouldn't be because the media thinks so.   Good god no thx. 

 

Yeah exactly. Sedin's were masters of board play and yes they slashed and hooked a tonne, especially Henrik I thought. Kuz is a big body and strong as an ox so he has the tools do what Boeser is doing and more. 

 

The media is so lame and unintelligent when they just zero in on some soundbite. Tocchet also said, you know what I'm tried of talking about Kuz, let's just leave it as he can start with forechecking. So there are other parts Kuz needs to work on to. Starting with his excellent backcheck to break up a goal the other night in a tight game. Great play, great hustle.

 

I read an article on Tocchet's coaching yesterday where they claimed he is very good at knowing when to be tough and when to let off.

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/canucks_coach_rick_tocchet_must_read_the_leadership_research/s1_16454_39478049

 

 

Canucks Coach Rick Tocchet Must Read the Leadership Research

Originally posted on NHL Trade Talk  |  By Old Prof  |  Last updated 11/2/23

 

The Vancouver Canucks are playing really well for coach Rick Tocchet this season. He seems to be level-headed, but he’s also unafraid to call out players for what they do – or, instead, sometimes what they don’t do. All said and done, it seems clear that Tocchet understands what it takes to be a good leader. At least, he’s employing what we academics know as key findings of the research literature.

Let’s look at how.

What Makes Tocchet Such a Good Coach?

Tocchet’s coaching journey has been enriched by his vast experience in the NHL, both as a player and a coach. His ability to adapt to the changing dynamics of the game has been a hallmark of his coaching style. Tocchet’s playing career spanned nearly two decades. It gives him a unique perspective that few coaches possess. This experience allows him to relate to players and understand the challenges they face, making him an effective communicator and motivator.

 

One of Tocchet’s key coaching attributes is his commitment to player development. His reputation is that he knows how to nurture young talent and help players reach their full potential. This emphasis on individual growth contributes to a positive team culture.

However, there’s one aspect of Tocchet’s coaching philosophy that seems key. As good leaders do, he’s an open communicator who creates an environment where players know exactly what he thinks. At the same time, they feel valued. He believes that fostering a sense of belonging within the team is essential for success, and this has earned him the respect and trust of his players.

Tocchet is not only a motivator but also a tactician. His understanding of the game’s intricacies and his willingness to embrace innovative strategies have been pivotal in shaping the playing style of the teams he has coached. His tactical acumen and flexibility make him a valuable asset in devising game plans and adapting to the ever-evolving NHL landscape. As a leader, he’s a pragmatist. He uses what works.

 

Tocchet's Personal Attributes

 

Resilience and leadership have been constants in Tocchet’s career. He’s faced his share of challenges and adversity, both as a player and a coach. As a result, he seems to have the ability to bounce back and remain focused on the ultimate goal. Tocchet also leads by example. He displays the same dedication and work ethic he expects from his players. He’s also unwaveringly committed to the game of hockey; and, that can be inspiring to those around him. He walks the talk.

 

Tocchet’s successful playing career includes multiple Stanley Cup championships. He knows how to win. This experience positions him as a mentor with a deep understanding of what it takes to experience success. He understands how to guide his players and impart the knowledge and wisdom that only comes from having been in their shoes.

 

Another key attribute is Tocchet’s willingness to embrace change and innovation. He gets it that the NHL is constantly evolving. And, he’s not afraid to adapt his coaching style to the more modern (and player-focused) game. This flexibility helps make his strategies effective as he pushes the boundaries of professional hockey. Tocchet’s approach to coaching reflects his openness to new ideas and his ability to stay ahead of the curve.

Tocchet Explains His Past Week’s Coaching Choices

To make the case about Tocchet’s coaching style, I have included the video below. In that video, viewers can see several key leadership attributes at work. These include (1) his adaptability and his emotional intelligence and (2) his player-centered approach and how and when he uses (at times) positive reinforcement rather than stressing the negative.

 

First, Tocchet Shows Adaptability and Emotional Intelligence

 

Tocchet’s ability to adjust to the ever-changing dynamics of his team is a significant strength. He doesn’t adhere rigidly to a coaching handbook; instead, he gauges the team’s mood and needs. When the team is winning or performing well, he gives them more leeway. He understands the importance of routine. However, he is also willing to take a different approach when necessary, like focusing on individual improvement rather than harping on team mistakes.

Tocchet seems to have that elusive quality called excellent emotional intelligence as a coach. He reads the room and understands when his players need support, a lighter touch, or some constructive criticism. He’s not afraid to back off and let the players dictate the atmosphere when needed. In fact, he sometimes counts on that. This balance of knowing when to be hands-on and when to trust the players contributes to a positive team environment. He does listen to the voices of experience around him, which also seems wise. In that, he distributes leadership, which is a wise leadership attribute.

 

Second, Tocchet Uses a Player-Centric Approach and Positive Reinforcement

 

Tocchet values his players’ input and respects their experience. He recognizes that a team’s veterans can play a crucial role in guiding the team, both on and off the ice. Tocchet understands when to lean on these experienced players and allow them to lead and take charge, relieving them of the relentless sound of his own voice.

Tocchet employs a positive approach to coaching. He focuses on the team’s strengths by emphasizing the positives. Instead of dwelling on mistakes or criticizing his players relentlessly, he chooses to highlight the successes and works on improvement in a constructive manner. This approach contributes to a good team spirit and a productive practice environment.

The Bottom Line for Tocchet as a Wise Coach

In my long-time work as an academic who has studied leadership as a research interest, it’s clear to me that Rick Tocchet employs what we academics call a growth mindset. There’s no wonder he’s a good leader who gets the most out of his players.

 

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Huge.  People don't realize how big a loss this was when he got injured.  Soucy is the other one. 

 

If/when we get healthy, I think we're gonna run into cap issues?

There may be a trade merely to alleviate these issues. 

[Darius]

 

[Vancan]

11 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

There may be a trade merely to alleviate these issues. 

 

Ethan Bear hopes so.

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[The Duke]

Getting Suter back (assuming he picks up close to where he left off) is a huge bump for the club.  Hes just a better finisher than Bleuger - and makes that 3rd line a lot more dangerous.  Then pushing Bleuger to 4th line gives us 2 rock solid defensive lines in the bottom 6. 

[AnthonyG]

3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I *think* Torts eventually ended up with a regular season record that beat more than half the seasons we had when Jim Benning was GM.  And yes, it was a bad, bad season.

Apples to oranges

The Torts year he had Kesler, Luongo, Sedins, Burrows, Tanev, Bieksa, Edler, Richardson, Hamhuis, Higgins…. That roster had enough experience to coach itself. Benning worked largely with inexperienced youth who built up experience year after year, its no wonder why there would be struggles. Hence why Benning continued adding experienced vets to the roster to help shape the youth.

 

 

That would be like me comparing Bennings draft picks to Gillis’s. Its not the same. Yet somehow Benning still drafted 10x better outside the top 10 than Gillis did period

[IBatch]

19 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Yeah exactly. Sedin's were masters of board play and yes they slashed and hooked a tonne, especially Henrik I thought. Kuz is a big body and strong as an ox so he has the tools do what Boeser is doing and more. 

 

The media is so lame and unintelligent when they just zero in on some soundbite. Tocchet also said, you know what I'm tried of talking about Kuz, let's just leave it as he can start with forechecking. So there are other parts Kuz needs to work on to. Starting with his excellent backcheck to break up a goal the other night in a tight game. Great play, great hustle.

 

I read an article on Tocchet's coaching yesterday where they claimed he is very good at knowing when to be tough and when to let off.

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/canucks_coach_rick_tocchet_must_read_the_leadership_research/s1_16454_39478049

 

 

Canucks Coach Rick Tocchet Must Read the Leadership Research

Originally posted on NHL Trade Talk  |  By Old Prof  |  Last updated 11/2/23

 

The Vancouver Canucks are playing really well for coach Rick Tocchet this season. He seems to be level-headed, but he’s also unafraid to call out players for what they do – or, instead, sometimes what they don’t do. All said and done, it seems clear that Tocchet understands what it takes to be a good leader. At least, he’s employing what we academics know as key findings of the research literature.

Let’s look at how.

What Makes Tocchet Such a Good Coach?

Tocchet’s coaching journey has been enriched by his vast experience in the NHL, both as a player and a coach. His ability to adapt to the changing dynamics of the game has been a hallmark of his coaching style. Tocchet’s playing career spanned nearly two decades. It gives him a unique perspective that few coaches possess. This experience allows him to relate to players and understand the challenges they face, making him an effective communicator and motivator.

 

One of Tocchet’s key coaching attributes is his commitment to player development. His reputation is that he knows how to nurture young talent and help players reach their full potential. This emphasis on individual growth contributes to a positive team culture.

However, there’s one aspect of Tocchet’s coaching philosophy that seems key. As good leaders do, he’s an open communicator who creates an environment where players know exactly what he thinks. At the same time, they feel valued. He believes that fostering a sense of belonging within the team is essential for success, and this has earned him the respect and trust of his players.

Tocchet is not only a motivator but also a tactician. His understanding of the game’s intricacies and his willingness to embrace innovative strategies have been pivotal in shaping the playing style of the teams he has coached. His tactical acumen and flexibility make him a valuable asset in devising game plans and adapting to the ever-evolving NHL landscape. As a leader, he’s a pragmatist. He uses what works.

 

Tocchet's Personal Attributes

 

Resilience and leadership have been constants in Tocchet’s career. He’s faced his share of challenges and adversity, both as a player and a coach. As a result, he seems to have the ability to bounce back and remain focused on the ultimate goal. Tocchet also leads by example. He displays the same dedication and work ethic he expects from his players. He’s also unwaveringly committed to the game of hockey; and, that can be inspiring to those around him. He walks the talk.

 

Tocchet’s successful playing career includes multiple Stanley Cup championships. He knows how to win. This experience positions him as a mentor with a deep understanding of what it takes to experience success. He understands how to guide his players and impart the knowledge and wisdom that only comes from having been in their shoes.

 

Another key attribute is Tocchet’s willingness to embrace change and innovation. He gets it that the NHL is constantly evolving. And, he’s not afraid to adapt his coaching style to the more modern (and player-focused) game. This flexibility helps make his strategies effective as he pushes the boundaries of professional hockey. Tocchet’s approach to coaching reflects his openness to new ideas and his ability to stay ahead of the curve.

Tocchet Explains His Past Week’s Coaching Choices

To make the case about Tocchet’s coaching style, I have included the video below. In that video, viewers can see several key leadership attributes at work. These include (1) his adaptability and his emotional intelligence and (2) his player-centered approach and how and when he uses (at times) positive reinforcement rather than stressing the negative.

 

First, Tocchet Shows Adaptability and Emotional Intelligence

 

Tocchet’s ability to adjust to the ever-changing dynamics of his team is a significant strength. He doesn’t adhere rigidly to a coaching handbook; instead, he gauges the team’s mood and needs. When the team is winning or performing well, he gives them more leeway. He understands the importance of routine. However, he is also willing to take a different approach when necessary, like focusing on individual improvement rather than harping on team mistakes.

Tocchet seems to have that elusive quality called excellent emotional intelligence as a coach. He reads the room and understands when his players need support, a lighter touch, or some constructive criticism. He’s not afraid to back off and let the players dictate the atmosphere when needed. In fact, he sometimes counts on that. This balance of knowing when to be hands-on and when to trust the players contributes to a positive team environment. He does listen to the voices of experience around him, which also seems wise. In that, he distributes leadership, which is a wise leadership attribute.

 

Second, Tocchet Uses a Player-Centric Approach and Positive Reinforcement

 

Tocchet values his players’ input and respects their experience. He recognizes that a team’s veterans can play a crucial role in guiding the team, both on and off the ice. Tocchet understands when to lean on these experienced players and allow them to lead and take charge, relieving them of the relentless sound of his own voice.

Tocchet employs a positive approach to coaching. He focuses on the team’s strengths by emphasizing the positives. Instead of dwelling on mistakes or criticizing his players relentlessly, he chooses to highlight the successes and works on improvement in a constructive manner. This approach contributes to a good team spirit and a productive practice environment.

The Bottom Line for Tocchet as a Wise Coach

In my long-time work as an academic who has studied leadership as a research interest, it’s clear to me that Rick Tocchet employs what we academics call a growth mindset. There’s no wonder he’s a good leader who gets the most out of his players.

 

You bet. 

[IBatch]

6 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Apples to oranges

The Torts year he had Kesler, Luongo, Sedins, Burrows, Tanev, Bieksa, Edler, Richardson, Hamhuis, Higgins…. That roster had enough experience to coach itself. Benning worked largely with inexperienced youth who built up experience year after year, its no wonder why there would be struggles. Hence why Benning continued adding experienced vets to the roster to help shape the youth.

 

 

That would be like me comparing Bennings draft picks to Gillis’s. Its not the same. Yet somehow Benning still drafted 10x better outside the top 10 than Gillis did period

At some point, you just have to let it go ...

[AnthonyG]

3 minutes ago, IBatch said:

At some point, you just have to let it go ...

At some point I’ll stop giving reminders once the bitterness around here gets the fuck out.

Edited December 8, 2023 by AnthonyG

[Ghostsof1915]

Is Columbus dumb enough to trade Jenner for Myers?

[Jaimito]

Just waiting for Soucy now.  

 

Team getting help when it needs it the most.  

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, Jaimito said:

Just waiting for Soucy now.  

 

Team getting help when it needs it the most.  

Wasn't he late December?

[Rick_theRyper]

Suters injury is another example of how guys certain players can move up the line up and perform well for say the 10 game mark max I'd say but eventually sometimes sooner than that you see why they're usually 4th line in this case. I see the same with Laff. I think he should be bump back down to doing what he does best. For checking on the 4th maybe 3rd line. Not the first. Just need Kuz to get some puck luck. He could easily have 10 goals more this season. I don't really think he's been dogging it that bad, he's always been a positional checker like Erickson was. Doesn't play the body he plays the lines instead. Don't think that's gonna change. Hope he can hustle and get a few goals. But expecting him to for check like Hoglander is a fools hope. Not gonna happen 

 

My option of course lol

[Jaimito]

9 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Wasn't he late December?

Y. 6-8 wks from the Habs game?

[Wiggums]

Apparently the last time our backup got a shutout was 2017, 6 years ago.  Anders Nilsson.....against Minnesota of course

[TheGuardian]

4 hours ago, IBatch said:

Gaurdian who do you think we should acquire to coach the team?   Seriously would like to know.   We had a wrestling "let's have fun", best experienced coach available.   Would you like Babcock?   Sure hope not.   And do you seriously think Ian Cole is a solid second pairing to build around?   Yikes.  Hate to say this, but in PIT, when they won their two cups, Ian Cole was a 4/5 on deeper  teams and that's in his prime.    Now he's just 34 year old Ian Cole.    At least they acquired two good 5c's with upside in Soucy and Zadorov.     Schenn was = to Cole IMO. 

 

Yes they've improved the defense.  From bad, to below average to average and now above average.    Can't expect miracles from our roster.   At the start of the season most experts had us finishing 6th.  In our division.  Pay attention man.   It's not coaching. 

With this group, until there is a house cleaning all coaches will likely have the same results. Hot then cold, then warm, then freezing. Allvin/Rutherford are changing this tiger' stripes but it will take a bit more. Tocchet unleashes them once they get behind.

Cole, gods no, too old, but serviceable this year. And good to have around for the youngsters, sort of a playing mentor.

Soucy and Zadorov fit the Rutherford description of trying to give a player a chance. Neither has been offered a steady 3/4 chance.

I would like to see the coach try them on the PP

2 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Tocchet was somehow able to handle a similar personality and play style in Kessel.  He needs to realize that he's sabotaging Kuzmenko and hurting the team with his lack of professionalism.  Kuz is being set up to fail by the dirtbag behind the bench.

I wouldn't call him a dirt bag but I do think Kuz might be being set to fail so any trade will be acceptable. The saying "There Is No I in Team" should be what Tocchet preaches. So singling out one or two players could easily been seen as "setting up for failure" Tocchet was also in on the Tampa 2nd tank so he will "do what is best for the franchise". Good orator now. 

2 hours ago, IBatch said:

Yes when Tochett came in Torts was one of the first things that came to mind.   He's not asking the stars to block shots though.   And IMO anyways, isn't the same sort of coach.     Green was also a systems coach ... five man box but well, those teams rosters weren't very good.  

 

If Kuzmenko gets traded, i'm fine with that.   Cap space is good enough, as long as they use it wisely.    Agree with all of this too.   

They will still have to trade Boeser and Garland. Better to add a sweetener to move them instead.

3 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Pettersson is a power play genius. He is so deceptive and add Miller's hockey IQ and tenacity, shot. Hughes and his outrageous quickness, to imagine that

Kuzmenko has been a part of this tells me he's earned that second line spot. Who knows what's the matter with him right now. Could be anything. Point is, we've seen

him at his best. My guess is the Coach doesn't think he's taking drills and practices seriously enough 

Kuz, could be nothing wrong with him. It could be to influence the court of public opinion and/or Milstein. 

He should be put on the same line he had last year and see if there is a turn around. Last year Pettersson scored over 100 pts and was in Selke conversations. Now he isn't playing with him and both players seem to be having issues.