[PGT] Minnesota @ Vancouver

[Johngould21]

4 minutes ago, Rick_theRyper said:

Suters injury is another example of how guys certain players can move up the line up and perform well for say the 10 game mark max I'd say but eventually sometimes sooner than that you see why they're usually 4th line in this case. I see the same with Laff. I think he should be bump back down to doing what he does best. For checking on the 4th maybe 3rd line. Not the first. Just need Kuz to get some puck luck. He could easily have 10 goals more this season. I don't really think he's been dogging it that bad, he's always been a positional checker like Erickson was. Doesn't play the body he plays the lines instead. Don't think that's gonna change. Hope he can hustle and get a few goals. But expecting him to for check like Hoglander is a fools hope. Not gonna happen 

 

My option of course lol

He really is a better third or fourth line guy. I agree, get Kuz going with EP again is my wish, once Suter gets back. It sure would be nice to see a smiling Kuzmenko on the ice. IMO Hoglander has won a top six role with this team, as Tanner Pearson said in Nils first season, he's the real deal.

[Vancan]

4 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

Y. 6-8 wks from the Habs game?

 

Meh I don't believe anything since I saw Aaron Rodgers playing on the practice field less than 11 weeks after a Achilles tendon rupture. Just a week to week statement will suffice thanks.

[Baratheon]

Lol what the hell is going on with the forum today?  Anyone know?  

Every section merged in to one is an interesting experience!

 

Edit: Oh nevermind.  The issue is only on my phone?  Lol idk

Edited December 8, 2023 by Baratheon

[Barn Burner]

3 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Yeah exactly. Sedin's were masters of board play and yes they slashed and hooked a tonne, especially Henrik I thought. Kuz is a big body and strong as an ox so he has the tools do what Boeser is doing and more. 

 

The media is so lame and unintelligent when they just zero in on some soundbite. Tocchet also said, you know what I'm tried of talking about Kuz, let's just leave it as he can start with forechecking. So there are other parts Kuz needs to work on to. Starting with his excellent backcheck to break up a goal the other night in a tight game. Great play, great hustle.

 

I read an article on Tocchet's coaching yesterday where they claimed he is very good at knowing when to be tough and when to let off.

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/canucks_coach_rick_tocchet_must_read_the_leadership_research/s1_16454_39478049

 

 

Canucks Coach Rick Tocchet Must Read the Leadership Research

Originally posted on NHL Trade Talk  |  By Old Prof  |  Last updated 11/2/23

 

The Vancouver Canucks are playing really well for coach Rick Tocchet this season. He seems to be level-headed, but he’s also unafraid to call out players for what they do – or, instead, sometimes what they don’t do. All said and done, it seems clear that Tocchet understands what it takes to be a good leader. At least, he’s employing what we academics know as key findings of the research literature.

Let’s look at how.

What Makes Tocchet Such a Good Coach?

Tocchet’s coaching journey has been enriched by his vast experience in the NHL, both as a player and a coach. His ability to adapt to the changing dynamics of the game has been a hallmark of his coaching style. Tocchet’s playing career spanned nearly two decades. It gives him a unique perspective that few coaches possess. This experience allows him to relate to players and understand the challenges they face, making him an effective communicator and motivator.

 

One of Tocchet’s key coaching attributes is his commitment to player development. His reputation is that he knows how to nurture young talent and help players reach their full potential. This emphasis on individual growth contributes to a positive team culture.

However, there’s one aspect of Tocchet’s coaching philosophy that seems key. As good leaders do, he’s an open communicator who creates an environment where players know exactly what he thinks. At the same time, they feel valued. He believes that fostering a sense of belonging within the team is essential for success, and this has earned him the respect and trust of his players.

Tocchet is not only a motivator but also a tactician. His understanding of the game’s intricacies and his willingness to embrace innovative strategies have been pivotal in shaping the playing style of the teams he has coached. His tactical acumen and flexibility make him a valuable asset in devising game plans and adapting to the ever-evolving NHL landscape. As a leader, he’s a pragmatist. He uses what works.

 

Tocchet's Personal Attributes

 

Resilience and leadership have been constants in Tocchet’s career. He’s faced his share of challenges and adversity, both as a player and a coach. As a result, he seems to have the ability to bounce back and remain focused on the ultimate goal. Tocchet also leads by example. He displays the same dedication and work ethic he expects from his players. He’s also unwaveringly committed to the game of hockey; and, that can be inspiring to those around him. He walks the talk.

 

Tocchet’s successful playing career includes multiple Stanley Cup championships. He knows how to win. This experience positions him as a mentor with a deep understanding of what it takes to experience success. He understands how to guide his players and impart the knowledge and wisdom that only comes from having been in their shoes.

 

Another key attribute is Tocchet’s willingness to embrace change and innovation. He gets it that the NHL is constantly evolving. And, he’s not afraid to adapt his coaching style to the more modern (and player-focused) game. This flexibility helps make his strategies effective as he pushes the boundaries of professional hockey. Tocchet’s approach to coaching reflects his openness to new ideas and his ability to stay ahead of the curve.

Tocchet Explains His Past Week’s Coaching Choices

To make the case about Tocchet’s coaching style, I have included the video below. In that video, viewers can see several key leadership attributes at work. These include (1) his adaptability and his emotional intelligence and (2) his player-centered approach and how and when he uses (at times) positive reinforcement rather than stressing the negative.

 

First, Tocchet Shows Adaptability and Emotional Intelligence

 

Tocchet’s ability to adjust to the ever-changing dynamics of his team is a significant strength. He doesn’t adhere rigidly to a coaching handbook; instead, he gauges the team’s mood and needs. When the team is winning or performing well, he gives them more leeway. He understands the importance of routine. However, he is also willing to take a different approach when necessary, like focusing on individual improvement rather than harping on team mistakes.

Tocchet seems to have that elusive quality called excellent emotional intelligence as a coach. He reads the room and understands when his players need support, a lighter touch, or some constructive criticism. He’s not afraid to back off and let the players dictate the atmosphere when needed. In fact, he sometimes counts on that. This balance of knowing when to be hands-on and when to trust the players contributes to a positive team environment. He does listen to the voices of experience around him, which also seems wise. In that, he distributes leadership, which is a wise leadership attribute.

 

Second, Tocchet Uses a Player-Centric Approach and Positive Reinforcement

 

Tocchet values his players’ input and respects their experience. He recognizes that a team’s veterans can play a crucial role in guiding the team, both on and off the ice. Tocchet understands when to lean on these experienced players and allow them to lead and take charge, relieving them of the relentless sound of his own voice.

Tocchet employs a positive approach to coaching. He focuses on the team’s strengths by emphasizing the positives. Instead of dwelling on mistakes or criticizing his players relentlessly, he chooses to highlight the successes and works on improvement in a constructive manner. This approach contributes to a good team spirit and a productive practice environment.

The Bottom Line for Tocchet as a Wise Coach

In my long-time work as an academic who has studied leadership as a research interest, it’s clear to me that Rick Tocchet employs what we academics call a growth mindset. There’s no wonder he’s a good leader who gets the most out of his players.

 

Wait until CanuckFanForever gets a load of this! 

Edited December 9, 2023 by Barn Burner

[IBatch]

3 minutes ago, Barn Burner said:

Wait until CanuckFanForever reads this! 

[Frozen Water Walker]

4 minutes ago, Barn Burner said:

Wait until CanuckFanForever reads this! 

What a barn burner of a game that was 

[Rick_theRyper]

34 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

He really is a better third or fourth line guy. I agree, get Kuz going with EP again is my wish, once Suter gets back. It sure would be nice to see a smiling Kuzmenko on the ice. IMO Hoglander has won a top six role with this team, as Tanner Pearson said in Nils first season, he's the real deal.

100% Nils was always going to succeed, it's good to see him getting results now. I like PDG but he is a great for checker too, we could really have two solid bottom lines here if Kuz can find the back of the net and push his way back to the top line. Who comes out though Aman? Joshua has been playing great with confidence and stronger.. hard decisions with a fully healthy team. Good problem to have

[Canuckleheads Fan]

11 hours ago, IBatch said:

Soft.  One dimensional.  Ha ha!   What a beauty.  

Brock and Hog's play this year have been the best of Tocchet's coaching. Tocchet has turned Brock and Hoggy into complete players. To be honest, the previous knock on Brock was legit, I was one of the fans who was okay if PA found a trade partner for him in exchange for the right package of picks and prospects. But I'm happy he's still here, that he's found a new level to his game, and that he's been able to focus on jockey after his father's diagnosis and death made last season so terrible. Now if only Tocc was able to get through consistently to Kuzzy. He looked really good to me last night. It would be nice if they gave him a winger partner with more offensive talent, PDG is an offensive black hole.

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Vancan said:

 

Meh I don't believe anything since I saw Aaron Rodgers playing on the practice field less than 11 weeks after a Achilles tendon rupture. Just a week to week statement will suffice thanks.

 

He's second to second? 

 

Can never be wrong.

[stawns]

8 hours ago, Dizzle said:

gonna need more wins like that to stay there. Can’t assume they can score 4-5 every night. Especially against the better teams. 

 

I think they can do it… gotta bear down! 
 

 

more games like that are what we need! 
 

 

@stawns was pretty adamant Myers get credit for his achievements in the GDT (and rightly so imo). Wonder if he’s ready to give BB6 a little credit yet…. 

 

I've never had an issue with boeser, other than his play and his salary.  I'm very happy he's playing well and scoring.  I don't find him overly effective beyond scoring, and he's improved in that area as well, but that's just personal preference.

 

As a person, I have zero issues with him at all.

 

I still stand by my previous opinion that I would have moved him and Miller.

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

I've never had an issue with boeser, other than his play and his salary.  I'm very happy he's playing well and scoring.  I don't find him overly effective beyond scoring, and he's improved in that area as well, but that's just personal preference.

 

As a person, I have zero issues with him at all.

 

I still stand by my previous opinion that I would have moved him and Miller.

Borser is a key core piece. He’s great on and off the puck. Moving him and Miller, would mean keeping Horfat Wallet. YUK! We’d be saying good bye to Petey and Hughes and end up on another rebuild. 
We have the best core we’ve ever had. It’s way smarter to build out our supporting cast than to trade away key core pieces and rebuild again. 

[The Aquaman]

Let’s spank Carolina tomorrow.

[Alflives]

Just now, The Aquaman said:

Let’s spank Carolina tomorrow.

The empties are chiming 6-3 for us. 

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Borser is a key core piece. He’s great on and off the puck. Moving him and Miller, would mean keeping Horfat Wallet. YUK! We’d be saying good bye to Petey and Hughes and end up on another rebuild. 
We have the best core we’ve ever had. It’s way smarter to build out our supporting cast than to trade away key core pieces and rebuild again. 

 

I'm not shy about my opinion on the core of this team.  There's just something not right there and I think some kind of significant move is going to have to be made.

 

I think the haul they would have got from moving miller and boeser would have led to an equally solid depth group to what they have now, at the very least, and added to their prospect/pick cupboard.  It would have also moved their window a couple years from the line, which would have been more realistic, imo.

 

But, it's a moot point now and this is the team and I support them, but I do think they're going to have to make a core move at some point in the somewhat near future.  

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

 

I'm not shy about my opinion on the core of this team.  There's just something not right there and I think some kind of significant move is going to have to be made.

 

I think the haul they would have got from moving miller and boeser would have led to an equally solid depth group to what they have now, at the very least, and added to their prospect/pick cupboard.  It would have also moved their window a couple years from the line, which would have been more realistic, imo.

 

But, it's a moot point now and this is the team and I support them, but I do think they're going to have to make a core move at some point in the somewhat near future.  

IMHAO your opinion of our core is wrong. Demko is Double Bubble good. Hughes is clearly a phenom. Hronek is fantastic. Petey and Miller are the best two centre combo. And Boeser is leading the league is goals. There is no core as good as ours. It’s the supporting cast we need to improve. And that’s a heck of a lot easier than finding the superstars pieces we have right now. 

[Ballisticsports]

19 hours ago, TheGuardian said:

19 hours ago, TheGuardian said:

With this group, until there is a house cleaning all coaches will likely have the same results. Hot then cold, then warm, then freezing. Allvin/Rutherford are changing this tiger' stripes but it will take a bit more. Tocchet unleashes them once they get behind.

Cole, gods no, too old, but serviceable this year. And good to have around for the youngsters, sort of a playing mentor.

Soucy and Zadorov fit the Rutherford description of trying to give a player a chance. Neither has been offered a steady 3/4 chance.

I would like to see the coach try them on the PP

I wouldn't call him a dirt bag but I do think Kuz might be being set to fail so any trade will be acceptable. The saying "There Is No I in Team" should be what Tocchet preaches. So singling out one or two players could easily been seen as "setting up for failure" Tocchet was also in on the Tampa 2nd tank so he will "do what is best for the franchise". Good orator now. 

They will still have to trade Boeser and Garland. Better to add a sweetener to move them instead.

Kuz, could be nothing wrong with him. It could be to influence the court of public opinion and/or Milstein. 

He should be put on the same line he had last year and see if there is a turn around. Last year Pettersson scored over 100 pts and was in Selke conversations. Now he isn't playing with him and both players seem to be having issues.

 

There is no way both BB and RT would say they have issues with Kuz play to influence public opinion

I can't believe one would think that and what would the players think if even true

Haven't we all had enough of excuses and players not being accountable?

You say EP had over a 100 pts ,Ep finished 10th, he is currently 7th 

Last year we didn't even make the playoffs

RT would rather see Kuz score 24 goals on a playoff team playing the right way , than 39 on a non playoff team

He even told him not to worry about scoring goals and the system and just stick to the staples

That is on Kuz who has bad habits to change of playing only 1 year in the NHL instead of the bigger ice and float

If a player can't/won't play a team game, that isn't on the coach to let that player do as he pleases

Edited December 9, 2023 by Ballisticsports

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Ballisticsports said:

There is no way both BB and RT would say they have issues with Kuz play to influence public opinion

I can't believe one would think that and what would the players think if even true

Haven't we all had enough of excuses and players not being accountable?

You say EP had over a 100 pts ,Ep finished 10th, he is currently 7th 

Last year we didn't even make the playoffs

RT would rather see Kuz score 24 goals on a playoff team , than 39 on a non playoff team

He even told him not to worry about scoring goals and the system and just stick to the staples

That is on Kuz who has bad habits to change of playing only 1 year in the NHL instead of the bigger ice and float

If a player can't/won't play a team game, that isn't on the coach to let that player do as he pleases

Kuz Missile is a super fun person. Love if he made his permanent home here. Good for our city. But IMHAO we should have traded him last season. Love the person but not a fan of how he plays. IMHAO he’s (not intentionally like Bo) he’s a Hotfat Wallet type player. Bo chose that to steal money on his next contract. For Kuz that’s just who he is. 

[Gawdzukes]

18 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Borser is a key core piece. He’s great on and off the puck. Moving him and Miller, would mean keeping Horfat Wallet. YUK! We’d be saying good bye to Petey and Hughes and end up on another rebuild. 
We have the best core we’ve ever had. It’s way smarter to build out our supporting cast than to trade away key core pieces and rebuild again. 

 

Yeah Brian Orser is a great skater. Shies away from the rough stuff though. Likes to embellish a lot.

 

[Kragar]

1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Is Columbus dumb enough to trade Jenner for Myers?

They were dumb enough to pay almost 10M AAV to Johnny Hobbit

[Ballisticsports]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Kuz Missile is a super fun person. Love if he made his permanent home here. Good for our city. But IMHAO we should have traded him last season. Love the person but not a fan of how he plays. IMHAO he’s (not intentionally like Bo) he’s a Hotfat Wallet type player. Bo chose that to steal money on his next contract. For Kuz that’s just who he is. 

You've gone humble?

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, Kragar said:

They were dumb enough to pay almost 10M AAV to Johnny Hobbit

Guess that's why I"m secretly, but not so secretly hoping.

[The Aquaman]

23 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The empties are chiming 6-3 for us. 

I love it buds!

[Chon derry]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Kuz Missile is a super fun person. Love if he made his permanent home here. Good for our city. But IMHAO we should have traded him last season. Love the person but not a fan of how he plays. IMHAO he’s (not intentionally like Bo) he’s a Hotfat Wallet type player. Bo chose that to steal money on his next contract. For Kuz that’s just who he is. 

You’d like for him to live in van , just not to be playing for the Canucks?

[phil.adelic]

18 hours ago, Mando27 said:

Hogs should of been in the top 6 a long time ago, he has been running wild.

 

 

my words.. just give him dechance, he won't disappoint you

[Johngould21]

16 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Yeah Brian Orser is a great skater. Shies away from the rough stuff though. Likes to embellish a lot.

 

Tonya Harding on the otherhand....Her in her prime with a hockey stick, wow!

 

Edited December 9, 2023 by Johngould21