Diamonds Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Coryberg said: There is something wrong with that stat card. Other than his rookie year, Walker has been used on the PK every season he's played and is currently averaging the second highest shorthanded TOI on Philly this season. So to say NA is just false. Oh, and he's also getting some PP2 time this year and does have an assist on the power play as well as being a regular on PP2 in his LA days. He's also been a pretty solid shot blocker his whole career and even though he isn't huge he doesn't shy away physically. Edit: That still doesn't mean I would want to trade a first for him, but he's shown to be a pretty solid defenseman. Edited December 9, 2023 by Diamonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Duke said: If Walker is setting you back a 1st, why not look at Bear. His eye test with us was great. Underlying stats were great. He’s bigger, younger, would command a cheaper salary and costs nothing to acquire. If you’re arguing against this and don’t watch the Flyers regularly, that’s a lot of faith in a one off year for Walker. The outlier year for Walker isn't actually this year. So far this is his best production, but his outlier year was last season when he was coming back from missing an entire year due to a knee injury. That's more of my concern honestly, whether he is going to be durable after that. In 2019-20 he has 24 points in 70 games and averages 18:50 in ice time and in 2020-21 he had 18 points in 47 games (30 point pace again) while averaging 18:10 in ice time. Both seasons that was good for 4th in average TOI among defensemen on the Kings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: He's played every game this year and has played 2 full seasons with Calgary plus this year. So why would you think he will get injured his first game with another team? Tanev has no offensive game. Fumbles the puck and is injury prone. 2nd + B level prospect is what I think Tanev goes for. Maybe CGY retains 50% and then there is a condition on the 1st rounder (like games played in playoffs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 57 minutes ago, Diamonds said: The outlier year for Walker isn't actually this year. So far this is his best production, but his outlier year was last season when he was coming back from missing an entire year due to a knee injury. That's more of my concern honestly, whether he is going to be durable after that. In 2019-20 he has 24 points in 70 games and averages 18:50 in ice time and in 2020-21 he had 18 points in 47 games (30 point pace again) while averaging 18:10 in ice time. Both seasons that was good for 4th in average TOI among defensemen on the Kings. None of that says he’s worth a 1st round pick, though. 25 points over 82 vs Bear’s 21 over 82 in about the same amount of games, but 3 years older. If we’re giving up a 1st I’d expect a whole lot more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Duke said: None of that says he’s worth a 1st round pick, though. 25 points over 82 vs Bear’s 21 over 82 in about the same amount of games, but 3 years older. If we’re giving up a 1st I’d expect a whole lot more than that. Oh, I agree that I wouldn't trade a first for Walker. But I do think he's proven to be a solid defenseman over his career. Walker is also more physical than Bear and I think he's a little bit better defensively. However, I don't think Walker is enough of an improvement to be worth giving up major assets for when Bear is free. I think Walker might be a solid free agent option though this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Outsiders said: Tanev has no offensive game. Fumbles the puck and is injury prone. 2nd + B level prospect is what I think Tanev goes for. Maybe CGY retains 50% and then there is a condition on the 1st rounder (like games played in playoffs) Most likely Calgary would be retaining 50% as Tanev would be traded to a contender. So at $2.25 million he would definitely garner a 1st round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Coryberg said: If we are trading our first it would be for a Hronek type deal where it's a good young player who is club controlled. Definitely not for a 28 year old UFA who is a bottom pairing dman on almost any contender. I never said we whould trade a 1st round pick for Walker. I said that's what he would fetch on the open market. I'd love to get Walker, but not for a first round pick, unless Konecny was added to the deal... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: because he's not a canucks right now so other players are not allowed to have any value.. if tanev was on the canucks then the fans here would claim he'd be worth a 1st and an A prospect This is true. Same Canucks fans that think Petey is only worth $7.5 million and that he is "holding" out. Same Canucks fans that think if we try and trade Petey we will only get a 1st round pick and a roster player. There is a reason why we have never won the cup. It's punishment from the Gods for our fanbase and our media parasites... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, The Duke said: None of that says he’s worth a 1st round pick, though. 25 points over 82 vs Bear’s 21 over 82 in about the same amount of games, but 3 years older. If we’re giving up a 1st I’d expect a whole lot more than that. Exactly. If management is trading away a 1st +, then it better be something similar to Miller or Hronek. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sean Walker and Chris Tanev will both command a 1st round pick. So those trades aren't happening. Allvin shops at Walmart not Harry Rosen... Where is Hronek from? targe ayyy (Target) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, R3aL said: Where is Hronek from? targe ayyy (Target) Hronek was shopping through IKEA one day when Allvin recognized him and took him back to Vancouver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: This is true. Same Canucks fans that think Petey is only worth $7.5 million and that he is "holding" out. Same Canucks fans that think if we try and trade Petey we will only get a 1st round pick and a roster player. There is a reason why we have never won the cup. It's punishment from the Gods for our fanbase and our media parasites... which is why i hate this fanbase they turn toxic on their own player faster than you can blink.. couple weeks ago it's give EP whatever he wants.. couple weeks later the forum is full on bashing him.. kuzmenko was amazing last year.. now he's a worthless piece of trash eating up almost 6mil in cap space etc. i myself was kinda the same advocating to trade miller.. but not really because of his ability but more so he doesn't fit our timeline and i still don't think he fits our timeline.. as great as he is now.. unless we turn into a cup contender.. whatever's left in his tank at elite status is going to be wasted then we'll be back to we need to look for another 2c etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: which is why i hate this fanbase they turn toxic on their own player faster than you can blink.. couple weeks ago it's give EP whatever he wants.. couple weeks later the forum is full on bashing him.. kuzmenko was amazing last year.. now he's a worthless piece of trash eating up almost 6mil in cap space etc. i myself was kinda the same advocating to trade miller.. but not really because of his ability but more so he doesn't fit our timeline and i still don't think he fits our timeline.. as great as he is now.. unless we turn into a cup contender.. whatever's left in his tank at elite status is going to be wasted then we'll be back to we need to look for another 2c etc etc. its OK when you do it, huh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Bob Long said: its OK when you do it, huh? nope i'm part of the trash just like you are.. but i have never full on bashed miller the way you guys have and i wanted him move more so because he doesn't fit the timeline rather than he sucks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: nope i'm part of the trash just like you are.. but i have never full on bashed miller the way you guys have and i wanted him move more so because he doesn't fit the timeline rather than he sucks Yup. Miller is fabulous. I do disagree about the timeline for winning though. IMHAO we are into our winning window. Our core is tops in the league. We have Demko. We should be pulling out all stops to win now and for the next five years. With Hughes and Petey being so young the window could stretch out a lot longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: nope i'm part of the trash just like you are.. but i have never full on bashed miller the way you guys have and i wanted him move more so because he doesn't fit the timeline rather than he sucks I didn't bash Miller. Bo OTOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I didn't bash Miller. Bo OTOH doesn't have to be miller just any players on the canucks in general.. just like i've been hard on garland because he doesnt' justify his cap hit but i didn't go out of my way to insult the guy.. but players like myers.. the insults thrown at him on this forum by the fanbase is just sickening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, wai_lai416 said: doesn't have to be miller just any players on the canucks in general.. just like i've been hard on garland because he doesnt' justify his cap hit but i didn't go out of my way to insult the guy.. but players like myers.. the insults thrown at him on this forum by the fanbase is just sickening It's blowing off steam, nothing more. Dude makes a ton of money and is a pro, he's not some kid that needs a white knight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: doesn't have to be miller just any players on the canucks in general.. just like i've been hard on garland because he doesnt' justify his cap hit but i didn't go out of my way to insult the guy.. but players like myers.. the insults thrown at him on this forum by the fanbase is just sickening Alf will go out of his way. Garland is a garden gnome. And not the good concrete ones. He’s a cheap, overpriced plastic one. We need to dumperoo his plastic ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 When was the last time that the Canucks didn't have multiple players on this board by this time of year??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, Alflives said: Alf will go out of his way. Garland is a garden gnome. And not the good concrete ones. He’s a cheap, overpriced plastic one. We need to dumperoo his plastic ass. Although I'd like it if he was a LITTLE bigger, I've gotta say, even though he hasn't been on the score sheet that much lately, there's been a number of times where we have scored goals directly due to his forechecking and causing turnovers with speed and being a general Pain in the Ass! Is he overpaid? Yeah, definitely should have been closer to 3 - 3.25 million range. Is he going to be traded? I don't think the Canucks are in a hurry to move him right now, due to the fact that I mentioned. He's contributing to us winning games, even if he's not directly on the scoresheet... Also, we shouldn't understate the fact that we need someone we can park in the box when we take one of our frequent team penalties for too many men, and he doesn't take up that much space in the penalty box. Hell, I bet when traveling, he fits nicely into most overhead storage compartments, saving the price of a seat on the plane.... Edited December 10, 2023 by VegasCanuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 What would it cost to get Bertuzzi? Keep in mind Treedying is their GM. Number 44 hasn’t been retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 I think we sit with our current team for a while and look to be buyers if we're still a top-5 team in the league around TDL. Happily sell assets/picks for a true 3C like Monahan or Walker would be a nice depth addition too. Our blueline is getting pretty crowded with good 4-5th overall defencemen and we have arguably the two best top pairing D-men in the league, but looking forward we're going to have to move on from Cole and Myers sooner rather than later. Our bottom-6 has been really good so far but we do lack a scoring-type of 3C who can matchup well in the playoffs and out-score the other team. Tocchet probably prefers Blueger/Suter over a more scoring type of 3C, but we could easily put one of them on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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