TheGuardian Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, -dlc- said: Great points. A few things that I saw that maybe weren't visible if you weren't there.... Zadorov has to be careful. Love his physicality but he was involved away from the play a few times and it not only put him out of the play, but also could be penalized in some instances. He has to "let it go" at times and stay up with the play. Kuz did make a bit of a mental error (an errant pass that was intercepted). Happens, but could've changed the outcome/momentum of things. Petey still tries to pass at times where he has a great shooting opportunity. I'm not sure what's up there (if it's overthinking/overplaying or a wrist thing). Miller: check, yep. He is so "determined"...especially when a game is winding down and on the line. Puts it all out there. Sacrifices his body and just gives an all out effort. Empties the tank. Demko was better. He's been a bit shaky and has made me nervous but he looked "in control" last night. I totally agree about Hronek. I like him better when he's just steady and not trying to do too much. Don't forget the really big one's by Hughes, he is part of the team too and two of his errors resulted directly in goals against. Myers and Zadorov seem to be linked and thinking the same way, if either is out of position the other is in a position and capable of delaying long enough to the other to get back, they aren't slacking off either getting back. Zadorov had a chance to maybe get the puck for a scoring chance but with the team up 2 goals he played it smart. Defenceman plays defence first. I wonder if the team put Hronek on the block is they think they can get Tanev back? OR sign Bear? He is adding to his offensive asset value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, -dlc- said: Dimly drowning their sorrows of a win that deepens their desire to be right rather than dabble in delight like the rest of us. Dat's deep Deb, lol. Miller's goal was a barreling locomotive comin' right at ya blasting away! Miller and Pettersson are such a great one-two punch. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheGuardian said: I wonder if the team put Hronek on the block Huh? Why would they put Hronek on the block? Maybe if he wants stupid money, but with another year left on his contact I doubt there has been any contract talks. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chon derry Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, -dlc- said: Dimly drowning their sorrows of a win that deepens their desire to be right rather than dabble in delight like the rest of us. 13 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said: The great one won many Cups as a player how his coaching career go. Even he said afterwards he found it hard to coach what he knew. Their are tons of assistant coaches that have won stanley cups and yet they are offer looked for head coaching jobs by guys who win as AHL head coaches I wonder why. I never said Tocchet can't be a head coach or a great one at that. I have called him Inexperienced the team he coached was the Yotes what experience are you going too get from that. Just like when Allan Coached MTL those where bad years for them. Allen took 3-4 years to finally get it right with the Canucks Gretzky coached a horrible team. That’s not entirely on him. As for your last paragraph , going by that logic then given tochetts recent success then his trajectory should be pretty decent in the next 3 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheGuardian said: Myers and Zadorov seem to be linked and thinking the same way, if either They looked good last night didn't they. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rekker said: Huh? Why would they put Hronek on the block? Maybe if he wants stupid money, but with another year left on his contact I doubt there has been any contract talks. He's an RFA after this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, -dlc- said: I'm not sure what qualifies you to assess NHL coaches? Please enlighten me. Is this referring to RT? 3-time Stanley Cup champion with the Pittsburgh Penguins: 1992 (as player), 2016 (as assistant coach); and 2017 (as assistant coach). Selected to four NHL All-Star Games: 1989, 1990, 1991 and 1993 Inducted into Flyers Hall of Fame: 2021 I'm not sure how he's "inexperienced"? Spent 22 years playing in the NHL. Played for his country 3 times. Assistant coach, then coach. Sure, maybe as a head coach he hasn't been there yet but that also depends on the team he's coaching. How they respond, etc. Overall, I've been very impressed with Tocchet. He's a far better coach than I expected. The only criticism that I could make would be letting the team play less disciplined over the last 10 games or so. I have no way of knowing whether this is part of the normal ebbs and flows that any team has through a season or any fault of his. He was head coach in Tampa for 2 seasons and Arizona for 4 seasons so I would think he knows when to let the leadership group hold each other accountable vs stepping in himself. Long term, the former is the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Mando27 said: Petey's line has been needing someone who can forecheck for awhile now. Not surprised that adding Laffy has helped them. This has been a key ingredient that has been missing in our top line for awhile now. This need is key in all lines but past regimes were not successful in accomplishing this. Many fails such as Ferlund, Virtanen,Motte and Roussel but we never concentrated on this part of the game and so we lacked it for the most part. I remember consistently being bottled up in our own zone and no way to get out of it. Very frustrating times. We now have guys on all lines and most of them are interchangeable, a very nice thing to have and most of us are comfortable with all of them for the most part. Many of these players, PDG, Laff,Blue,Joshua,Suter,Mik and Aman have complemented our star players quite nicely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tocchet.A.Hockey.God Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chon derry said: Gretzky coached a horrible team. That’s not entirely on him. As for your last paragraph , going by that logic then given tochetts recent success then his trajectory should be pretty decent in the next 3 years. Allan won the Jack Adams his first year with the Canucks and then missed the playoffs the next year, experience and success is not on a straight line up Edited December 10, 2023 by CanuckFanForever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: He's an RFA after this season RFA, but unless he takes the following season off, will need to sign for at least another season here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: We won back to back games. Some people were on the edges of their sears waiting for us not to get on a roll and break the win one - lose one pattern. The important thing is that we got back to winning even it's a two game streak. Put it this way, if our "slump" means .500 hockey, then we're a top tier team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Rekker said: They looked good last night didn't they. You dont follow trend lately.On the trading list are EP,Demko,Kuz and now Hronek.For now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: Put it this way, if our "slump" means .500 hockey, then we're a top tier team. And we're still be better than the Flames and Oilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, Rekker said: Any hockey analyst with any integrity called out the Leafs and Oilers for their top heavy, low depth, bad D, suspect goaltending teams. Decent teams, maybe. Cup favourites was laughable and I would tell anyone that listened that all summer. Don’t bother asking me for an explanation but people who make a living from it do and still do as of this morning. Even the Canes are given better odds than us. They have the Nucks at +1800 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rekker said: RFA, but unless he takes the following season off, will need to sign for at least another season here? They have his rights, yes, but he's still going to want a very significant salary bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: Put it this way, if our "slump" means .500 hockey, then we're a top tier team. Depends if it's a slump or closer to the norm. The next month will tell us a lot about which way this team will go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Don’t bother asking me for an explanation but people who make a living from it do and still do as of this morning. Even the Canes are given better odds than us. They have the Nucks at +1800 This is locker room wall material. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chon derry Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said: Allan won the Jack Adams his first year with the Canucks and then missed the playoffs the next year, experience and success is not on a straight line up For someone who purports to be some kind of coach ‘judge’ vigneaults first name is Alain. And your comparison between Gretzky coaching a very bad team with him having very little experience to tochett who has a better team in front of him in comparison makes no sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: Put it this way, if our "slump" means .500 hockey, then we're a top tier team. Exactly! We went through our hardest travel month at .500 which shows we are a top tier club. Our core is the best in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Long Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, JayDangles said: If it's and butts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas. Unless you have a nut allergy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goose Posted December 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2023 Last night was like watching a chess match play out. CAR forecheck aggressively. I noticed they like to have 2 FWDS up and parallel with each other. Third FWD hunting for the break out pass. It gave the Canucks a headache to start but eventually they were able to just chip the puck out past it. I was really impressed with the patience and poise they showed to only take what’s given/not force risky plays. Canucks won a game based on the details and philosophy preached by the coaching staff. It really was a ‘team’ win. 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, Alflives said: Exactly! We went through our hardest travel month at .500 which shows we are a top tier club. Our core is the best in the league. It sure is fun when everyone is full effort. It would be nice to add one more top 4 d and one more big body in the top 9 so the boys don't have to be 100% against the best teams. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe King Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, -dlc- said: On a serious note, our schedule always sucks and sets the team up to fail imo. It's feast/famine and we're thrust into a schedule that others are eased into out of the gates. But "it is what it is" and likely won't change so I've accepted it. I agree.My personal thoughts on the schedule is, Betman and his boys want to have certain teams have more success than others. Mostly southern based teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Chon derry said: Gretzky coached a horrible team. That’s not entirely on him. As for your last paragraph , going by that logic then given tochetts recent success then his trajectory should be pretty decent in the next 3 years. Gretzky kind of shot his coaching career in the foot by starting "at the top" in the NHL and also being bound to a team that wasn't going anywhere. If he had done the Patrick Roy and coached junior for a few years and then signed on with a good NHL team...who knows. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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