AatuD2 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 43 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He's still 3 years younger than Cole or Myers. And only a few months older than Miller. At the end of the day, he fits our window, which is now. He probably has 2-3 years left of very good hockey in him. I would really prefer to swing for a 26 or 27 year old, but ultimately I think that we need to chill now and let the season play out. We can look into a free addition in Bear, but spending more draft capital is our of the question for me unless we get a mid to late 20s dman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted December 11, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Provost said: I would do the Kuzmenko-Larsson deal for sure. It would be great to find a top pairing 26 year old RHD on a team friendly cap hit… but they tend not to be available often. Holding out for a unicorn probably doesn’t pan out. Tanev will get a contract for more than Larsson is getting paid. Kuzmenko is signed to the same term as Larsson and is a UFA, so it doesn’t matter if he is 3 years younger. He is under club control for only another 1.5 years. Kuzmenko does have some trade protection though. You only need a bandaid “hopefully” on RD for Willander to be ready so a veteran like Larsson could be an ideal fit. Not only is he a fellow Swede to mentor his replacement, but he will be aging and needing reduced minutes just as Willander could be ready for more minutes. This year: Hughes-Larsson Zadorov-Hronek Soucy-Cole Juulsen-Myers Next year: Hughes-Larsson Zadorov-Hronek Soucy-Cole Juulsen That is six guys who can all play top 4 in a pinch to protect you against injuries, and yet not breaking the bank cap wise. Really nice size and mobility, definitely a top 1/3rd of the league defence at least. That wound be a ridiculous turnaround from the dog’s breakfast we have had for the last few years. 2025/26 or 2026/27 you swap out one of Cole/Larsson for Willander so he can come into a 3rd pairing to develop. I agree 100%. At the end of the day, we got Kuzmenko for free. Flipping him for a top 4 RHD is a no brainer really. Especially considering that Kuzy is not a Tocchet guy and never will be. I doubt we can land a top 4 RHD who is only 25-26 years old for Kuzy. Those players rarely get traded. We got lucky with Hronek. If you are at the Blackjack table and you land Hronek, you are probably walking away and cashing your chips. Only a real gambler and an idiot would continue to sit at the table waiting for another Hronek to come. Larsson isn't really that old. He just turned 31. He's almost 4 years younger than Cole and Myers. He still plays 23 minutes a night on Seattle's top pairing. I'm sure he would re-sign to stay in Vancouver and like you said, he can mentor Willander and then play on the 3rd pairing when Willander is ready for the top 4. I know everyone wants Carlo, Cernak, Schneider, etc. But those guys aren't available. Sure, we could go after Pesce. But he will be 30 next summer. So he isn't much younger than Larsson. And who's to say Pesce would even want to come here? He's American so he'll probably want to stay in the US. Larsson played in Edmonton and now Seattle. He probably would love to play in Vancouver and stay here until he retires... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He's American so he'll probably want to stay in the US. Boeser, Demko, Miller, Joshua, Garland, Lafferty, Cole, Hughes, Myers and DeSmith say what? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventy7 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) I’d be fine with trading either Garland or Kuzmenko for Larsson. Window is Miller Demko longevity. That is now. Larsson immediately becomes our 3rd best dman. I don’t care how old he is… he’ll eat the top matchup minutes and free Huggy and Hronek to do even more damage against weaker possession matches. 6’3”, 210, big heavy hitter. Larsson wins boards battles, will eat top pk minutes, and I think he’d be an amazing addition for playoff hockey too. Huggy-Hronek Cole-Larsson Soucy-Zadorov Myers That is a playoff menacing dcore Edited December 11, 2023 by Seventy7 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Boeser, Demko, Miller, Joshua, Garland, Lafferty, Cole, Hughes, Myers and DeSmith say what? Yes, I'm well aware that we have American players on our team. Myers is also Canadian and lives in Kelowna, so not sure why you added him to the list. Boeser, Hughes, Demko were all drafted by Vancouver, were you expecting them not to report to the team? Lafferty played in Toronto. Joshua is a 4th line plug and DeSmith is a backup goalie. Good luck trying to convince a top 4 Dman who's never seen Canada other than on a road trip to come and play in Vancouver... 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, Seventy7 said: I’d be fine with trading either Garland or Kuzmenko for Larsson. Window is Miller Demko longevity. That is now. Larsson immediately becomes our 3rd best dman. I don’t care how old he is… he’ll eat the top matchup minutes and free Huggy and Hronek to do even more damage against weaker possession matches. Larsson plays hard, wins boards battles, will help pk, and I think he’d be an amazing addition for playoff hockey too. THIS. 100% THIS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 37 minutes ago, Provost said: I would do the Kuzmenko-Larsson deal for sure. Sure, but why would the Kraken do the trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Sure, but why would the Kraken do the trade? They need scoring and Kuzmenko is a marketable player? I doubt they plan on re-signing Larsson so might as well get something for him. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: They need scoring and Kuzmenko is a marketable player? I doubt they plan on re-signing Larsson so might as well get something for him. Aren't they right up to the cap now? Don't see them interested unless it's part of another deal (to unload the required cap room) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) Start the car!!!! I would want a bit more back if it were kuzzy but swapping a forward for a rock solid top 4 would be ideal. Edited December 11, 2023 by Coryberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Sure, but why would the Kraken do the trade? … because they are in free fall having lost 7 in a row and need to make changes and also look to the future. A 31 year old D isn’t that. There is a reason that rumours of their players being available are out there. They may not even want to keep Kuzmenko if they are bailing on the season soon, but may want to flip him for a bad contract and picks. They are in a tough spot of also needing to show new fans some progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Provost said: … because they are in free fall having lost 7 in a row and need to make changes and also look to the future. A 31 year old D isn’t that. There is a reason that rumours of their players being available are out there. They may not even want to keep Kuzmenko if they are bailing on the season soon, but may want to flip him for a bad contract and picks. They are in a tough spot of also needing to show new fans some progress. Again, they're right up against the cap. Don't think they can unless its part of a bigger move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Kuz for Larsson would be a good hockey move imo What else are you getting for Kuz? If your looking for top value it would be futures not a hockey trade for a better D than Larsson, and Kuz isn't playing well enough right now to command that anyways. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Again, they're right up against the cap. Don't think they can unless its part of a bigger move Seattle has 3 players on injured reserve. When they come back they can shrink their roster by 3 players and be around $2 million under the cap... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Again, they're right up against the cap. Don't think they can unless its part of a bigger move They have millions in available LTIR space at the moment with Burakovksy out for a couple months and possibly Grubauer and Schwartz missing extended time. If ALL those guys come back, they could play a roster player or two short of the full 23 man and fit the move in without any trades, just like many teams are doing. The salary difference isn’t huge and small throw ins either way can also make it work. Odds are another injury or a deadline deal happens in the next couple months and they don’t even have to do that. Edited December 11, 2023 by Provost 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Provost said: They have millions in available LTIR space at the moment with Burakovksy out for a couple months and possibly Grubauer and Schwartz missing extended time. If ALL those guys come back, they could play a roster player or two short of the full 23 man and fit the move in without any trades, just like many teams are doing. The salary difference isn’t huge and small throw ins either way can also make it work. Odds are another injury or a deadline deal happens in the next couple months and they don’t even have to do that. The Tampa Bay method (it got them a Cup) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 I love Kuz but he doesn't seem to be trusted by Toch and tbh I'd do this deal 100 times over. Larson would solidify the back end. The D has seen so much improvement this last yr but this trade would really make them a top 7 or 8 D core in the entire league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 If we trade Kuzmenko for another Dman with cap, we are suddenly looking thin on forwards and weak on top 6. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Drakrami said: If we trade Kuzmenko for another Dman with cap, we are suddenly looking thin on forwards and weak on top 6. Yea that’s my thoughts as well. It would be nice to acquire a D man and a forward in a trade. Something like Konecny and Walker. No idea how much that would cost but it would give us way better depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: The Tampa Bay method (it got them a Cup) This is just a $1.5 million dollar difference in salaries, so it isn’t like hiding a star player until the playoffs (that they aren’t going to make) Eminently do-able. More than half the league is operating with less cap space than they have. 15 teams in LTIR and 3 more teams who are running with roster smaller than 23 who would have less cap space than Seattle if they ran with full rosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: In a few years, Miller will be a 3rd liner and Hughes and Demko are probably gone if we aren't contending for a cup... This year will be the first real playoff taste in about a decade. There will be hurdles, and even greater challenges, to just reach the final. Unless it's a full Cinderella story, the Canucks, right now, need at least a couple extended playoff run experiences to even really know what it takes to be a legit cup contender. How many tries before they "slay the dragon" on the 2011 run? That said, it's already still a huge improvement for the Canucks. And I will be all in on cheering to go all the way! Edited December 11, 2023 by Drive-By Body Pierce 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Coconuts said: Ahh, yeah, got the month wrong. Still, the rest of my point stands. He doesn't have couple of years left on contract either... He's ufa at end of next season same as Kuzmenko. But no way we get him straight up for Kuzmenko. He'll cost more than that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Drakrami said: If we trade Kuzmenko for another Dman with cap, we are suddenly looking thin on forwards and weak on top 6. I don’t think so… at least we have more depth there. Suter should be back soon as he is practicing, which pushes someone out anyways and Aman needs to be waived now. Podkolzin is still in the minors as it Raty and Karlsson. It is a risk that Lafferty and Hoglander continue to be useful pick retrievers in the top six… but it is also a risk leaving Kuzmenko there as he hasn’t been producing. It is a risk you take for a massive upgrade on D. Larsson would immediately be our 3rd best D, and our best defensive D (all due respect to Cole who has been solid). The downgrade at foereward isn’t as steep as the upgrade on the back end. Mikheyev-Petterson-Lafferty Hoglander-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Suter-Garland DiGuiseppe-Blueger-Aman Podkolzin-Raty-Karlsson 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Was on my wishlist early in November. Cost might be a lot, I dunno if they'll bend as hard as Calgary did on Zadorov. He's not young, but he's not super old either. He's right in line age wise with Miller. The fact of the matter is our window is pretty close to right now with OEL's buyout kicking up in a few years. Demko's new contract in a few years. The logistics of a trade would be pretty difficult though. We'd need to move Garland. I doubt they want him back. Maybe we can sell em on Kuzmenko+? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 I would love to have this guy on our team. I liked him a lot when he was in Edmonton. Kuz + Myers with retention For Larsson + cap coming back. Seattle needs a scoring winger and if they move Larsson they need a replacement at RD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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