Sophomore Jinx Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 11 hours ago, QuinnNorris said: What does this mean? Does Hunter have a chance to be a top 4 dman? Leading scorer in the OHL as a dman is ridiculous. IMO he was the diamond heist of the 2023 draft...he is one to keep a close eye on, and one to be very optimistic about...same goes for Kudryavtsev, he was an amazing pick and find in the 7th round of the 2022 draft...I'm very high on those two. Edited January 2 by Sophomore Jinx 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AatuD2 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 20 hours ago, QuinnNorris said: What does this mean? Does Hunter have a chance to be a top 4 dman? Leading scorer in the OHL as a dman is ridiculous. I decided to go back and start looking at d-men that finished in the top 20 of OHL scoring... 2019-20 Noel Hoefenmeyer (D+3 year ... 15th) 2018-19 nobody 2017-18 Evan Bouchard (draft year ... 8th), Nic Hague (D+1 year... 18th) 2016-17 Darren Raddysh (D+3 year ... 14th), Santino Centorame (D+3 year ... 20th) 2015-16 nobody 2014-15 Tony DeAngelo (D+1 year ... 13th) In terms of how impressive Hunter's season is, I'd put him second behind Evan Bouchard even if he only finishes in the top 10 of league scoring. He is a direct comparison to Tony DeAngelo IMO. Very similar in size, and both offensively minded. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, AatuD2 said: I decided to go back and start looking at d-men that finished in the top 20 of OHL scoring... 2019-20 Noel Hoefenmeyer (D+3 year ... 15th) 2018-19 nobody 2017-18 Evan Bouchard (draft year ... 8th), Nic Hague (D+1 year... 18th) 2016-17 Darren Raddysh (D+3 year ... 14th), Santino Centorame (D+3 year ... 20th) 2015-16 nobody 2014-15 Tony DeAngelo (D+1 year ... 13th) In terms of how impressive Hunter's season is, I'd put him second behind Evan Bouchard even if he only finishes in the top 10 of league scoring. He is a direct comparison to Tony DeAngelo IMO. Very similar in size, and both offensively minded. But not a scum bag! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien-Punch Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On 1/1/2024 at 11:33 PM, QuinnNorris said: What does this mean? Does Hunter have a chance to be a top 4 dman? Leading scorer in the OHL as a dman is ridiculous. If you follow dobber prospects, they have him trending towards becoming a superstar! Will be interesting to see how his game develops in the AHL 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 10 minutes ago, Rypien-Punch said: If you follow dobber prospects, they have him trending towards becoming a superstar! Will be interesting to see how his game develops in the AHL Have to be really pleased with how Allvin allows his scouts to make the choices of whiner draft. So much better than what went on with the previous regime. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 hours ago, AatuD2 said: I decided to go back and start looking at d-men that finished in the top 20 of OHL scoring... 2019-20 Noel Hoefenmeyer (D+3 year ... 15th) 2018-19 nobody 2017-18 Evan Bouchard (draft year ... 8th), Nic Hague (D+1 year... 18th) 2016-17 Darren Raddysh (D+3 year ... 14th), Santino Centorame (D+3 year ... 20th) 2015-16 nobody 2014-15 Tony DeAngelo (D+1 year ... 13th) In terms of how impressive Hunter's season is, I'd put him second behind Evan Bouchard even if he only finishes in the top 10 of league scoring. He is a direct comparison to Tony DeAngelo IMO. Very similar in size, and both offensively minded. So far Bouchard, DeAngelo, Hague and maybe Raddysh has made it... only two doesn't seem to have broken through.... Good chance Hunter will... What a boost that would be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AatuD2 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 17 hours ago, Barn Burner said: But not a scum bag! Yes, not a scumbag!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AatuD2 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, spook007 said: So far Bouchard, DeAngelo, Hague and maybe Raddysh has made it... only two doesn't seem to have broken through.... Good chance Hunter will... What a boost that would be. The other two that haven't made it only finished in the top 20 in their D+3 years... So I'd put those seasons on the very bottom of how impressive they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 40 minutes ago, AatuD2 said: The other two that haven't made it only finished in the top 20 in their D+3 years... So I'd put those seasons on the very bottom of how impressive they are. Definitely agree on that. My point was more towards it being very likely we have a player on our hand. A RHD drafted in the 3rd round on top of that... now that is massive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northern lights Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 For perspective. In the last 25 years Ryan Ellis is the only defenceman to end up top 5 in scoring(5) in the OHL, and that was in his draft +2 season as a 20 year old. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Exactly. And he only turned 19, what... a month ago? Yet, he's overaged? Anyway, you bring up a great point. He's doing this as an 18 year old who just turned 19. People need to allow him to become the best he can be, instead of questioning whether or not he'll turn out better than anyone of us could have hoped for. It's ridiculous, unnecessary speculation. (pretty much like the majority of journalists, generating click-bait) And on that note, who knows? He may not develop into the player we should hope he will be. But at least appreciate the fact that he's showing a LOT of potential. That's something to look forward to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AatuD2 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 44 minutes ago, Barn Burner said: Exactly. And he only turned 19, what... a month ago? Yet, he's overaged? Anyway, you bring up a great point. He's doing this as an 18 year old who just turned 19. People need to allow him to become the best he can be, instead of questioning whether or not he'll turn out better than anyone of us could have hoped for. It's ridiculous, unnecessary speculation. (pretty much like the majority of journalists, generating click-bait) And on that note, who knows? He may not develop into the player we should hope he will be. But at least appreciate the fact that he's showing a LOT of potential. That's something to look forward to. I think that Hunter is an easy late 1st rounder in a redraft. Tony DeAngelo (without personality!) And Ryan Ellis (without injuries) are great comparables! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, AatuD2 said: I think that Hunter is an easy late 1st rounder in a redraft. Tony DeAngelo (without personality!) And Ryan Ellis (without injuries) are great comparables! I'd be very happy if Hunter didn't have DeAngleo's personality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, AatuD2 said: I think that Hunter is an easy late 1st rounder in a redraft. Tony DeAngelo (without personality!) And Ryan Ellis (without injuries) are great comparables! From what I've read, he was supposed to have been drafted 20 - 32 in the draft. How he slipped through till the 3rd, who knows. But thankfully, we snagged him. Who knows how it will all play out, but he's looking pretty damn good. And he's ours! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 21 minutes ago, Barn Burner said: From what I've read, he was supposed to have been drafted 20 - 32 in the draft. How he slipped through till the 3rd, who knows. But thankfully, we snagged him. Who knows how it will all play out, but he's looking pretty damn good. And he's ours! Believe it had something to do with injuries... May be wrong. Memory box not always as hood as it used to be 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, spook007 said: Believe it had something to do with injuries... May be wrong. Memory box not always as hood as it used to be Yes, a shoulder injury that set him back when he joined the US National Development Team. There's an article somewhere in the back pages of this thread. He lost his ability to play the offensive game, but adapted to a more defensive style to play on the team. In his draft year he improved his offence, but not good enough to be recognized by the scouts. This season, he is returning to form, which is making the Canucks very happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettlevalley Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This guy is great. But years away even if he progresses this well for years. Even Ellis was 22 before he had a full year in NHL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, higgyfan said: Yes, a shoulder injury that set him back when he joined the US National Development Team. There's an article somewhere in the back pages of this thread. He lost his ability to play the offensive game, but adapted to a more defensive style to play on the team. In his draft year he improved his offence, but not good enough to be recognized by the scouts. This season, he is returning to form, which is making the Canucks very happy. Cheers Higgy... Great that somebody has better memory than me Yes this has been a huge surprise... There were a fair few posters happy with the pick, but even they will have been amazed at his production... There are still some talk about his defensive abilities, I believe, but if he can overcome that, its another homerun... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, spook007 said: Cheers Higgy... Great that somebody has better memory than me Yes this has been a huge surprise... There were a fair few posters happy with the pick, but even they will have been amazed at his production... There are still some talk about his defensive abilities, I believe, but if he can overcome that, its another homerun... I like that he spent a season with the development team playing as a defensive dman (due to injury). Shows that he can adapt to new ways of playing the game. Apparently he is very coachable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead44 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 5 hours ago, AatuD2 said: I think that Hunter is an easy late 1st rounder in a redraft. Tony DeAngelo (without personality!) And Ryan Ellis (without injuries) are great comparables! Pre draft some writers had him going late first round. His best comp is Oliver Bonk who went 22 and has 30 points. i think he goes top 10 - one 3rd party writer had him ranked as the #7th best drafted prospect not in the NHL. Draft position creates bias. If he picked Hunter 10th overall and Willander 11th and their D+1 seasons went the way they have I don’t think a many people would be putting Willander ahead of him Edited January 5 by Canucklehead44 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 His assist totals is the crazy part, he's on pace for 80-90 of them. 15 more assists than the next closest player, currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northern lights Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 51 minutes ago, Wiggums said: His assist totals is the crazy part, he's on pace for 80-90 of them. 15 more assists than the next closest player, currently 15 more points than any other d in the ohl and has more than triple the points 60 than the next highest scoring d on his kitchener team who has 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Canucklehead44 said: Pre draft some writers had him going late first round. His best comp is Oliver Bonk who went 22 and has 30 points. i think he goes top 10 - one 3rd party writer had him ranked as the #7th best drafted prospect not in the NHL. Draft position creates bias. If he picked Hunter 10th overall and Willander 11th and their D+1 seasons went the way they have I don’t think a many people would be putting Willander ahead of him Willander was drafted for his overall, 200 foot game so not an absolutely accurate comparable between the two of them, going into the draft at least. That said, it will be interesting to see how these two look when they are on the ice together next summer during the prospect sessions in summer and how they look when they both get into camp in a year or two. It takes more than just offense to be effective in the NHL, but Brzustewicz has been showing some pretty good defensive coverage this season as well. Really nice to have a few prospects with the type of potential that our current guys have. Willander Brzustewicz D-Pettersson Lekkerimaki Kudryavtsev Mynio ....and those are just the ones outside the AHL development funnel right now and I probably missed a few who could e added in here, Celebrini and Truscott for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) On 1/2/2024 at 8:02 PM, AatuD2 said: I decided to go back and start looking at d-men that finished in the top 20 of OHL scoring... 2019-20 Noel Hoefenmeyer (D+3 year ... 15th) 2018-19 nobody 2017-18 Evan Bouchard (draft year ... 8th), Nic Hague (D+1 year... 18th) 2016-17 Darren Raddysh (D+3 year ... 14th), Santino Centorame (D+3 year ... 20th) 2015-16 nobody 2014-15 Tony DeAngelo (D+1 year ... 13th) In terms of how impressive Hunter's season is, I'd put him second behind Evan Bouchard even if he only finishes in the top 10 of league scoring. He is a direct comparison to Tony DeAngelo IMO. Very similar in size, and both offensively minded. That's not a good track record then. Hague is the only guy out of that group who turned into a legit NHLer. He really needs to concentrate on his defensive play if he wants to make it. Edited January 5 by King Heffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/2/2024 at 12:25 AM, Sophomore Jinx said: IMO he was the diamond heist of the 2023 draft...he is one to keep a close eye on, and one to be very optimistic about...same goes for Kudryavtsev, he was an amazing pick and find in the 7th round of the 2022 draft...I'm very high on those two. why are you high on Kudryavtsev - our 7th round pick? Those guys rarely make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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