[GDT] Vancouver Canucks @ Nashville Predaturds | Tuesday Dec 19 at 5PM PST (8pm EST) Music City , The "hey, look at us go" edition

[greenbean30]

9 minutes ago, Moeknows said:

You don't have to make a checker out of a goal scorer. Tha's not special treatment it's common sense.

I also don't think Tocc is trying to turn Kuz into a checker, but I do think he expects Kuz to be responsible away from the puck and to give 100% every shift. Boeser hasn't been turned into a checker, but he's changed to be responsible away from the puck, and be in position.

Kuz hasn't been responsible away from the puck, he has floated a lot this year and hasn't done much with any of his opportunities that he has been given, last year only goes so far.

[Dr. Crossbar]

Kuz good

Tocchet man bad

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Dr. Crossbar

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

Thanks EP.

 

Exactly my opinion too. 

I'm a martial artist that competed until I was 35. I was a GM of a few night clubs...totally get the bolded.

 

I know the type.

 

I did Tae Kwon Do for years.  My best friend was a black belt and then switched to kick boxing.  He was the Canadian kick boxing champion at one point in his weight class.  I hung around alot of tough guys back in the day.  We used to hang out at Richards on Richards every weekend.  My friend used to get into bar fights all the time.  One time he head kicked a guy so hard he was unconscious.  It was literally just one kick and the guy was lights out.  It was scary.  We had to call the ambulance.

 

I probably saw you around in the night clubs if you were there in the 1980's and 1990's...

[greenbean30]

6 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

I don't mind seeing Kuz with Garly but no way coaches break up the Blueger's 3rd line with Joshua and Garly..

 

Garly is a good set up man, good passer. Maybe him and Kuz can put up some goals together but like I said. 3rd line not getting broken up.. They're playing too good right now..

Yeah I agree that nothing is gonna happen to the third currently. If Kuz goes to the first, Mik needs to go to the 2nd line, which I think is actually a better fit for him.

[WHL rocks]

Kuzmenko is healthy scratch tonight .

 

Someone probably posted it already... but here it is again for those like me who don't know yet..

 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vancouver-canucks-to-scratch-andrei-kuzmenko-again-vs-nashville-predators-1.2051008

Edited December 19, 2023 by WHL rocks

[Dr. Crossbar]

BIG GAME

HUGE GAME

KUZ

TOCCHET

KUZ

TOCCHET

KUZ

TOCCHET

 

[WHL rocks]

1 minute ago, greenbean30 said:

Yeah I agree that nothing is gonna happen to the third currently. If Kuz goes to the first, Mik needs to go to the 2nd line, which I think is actually a better fit for him.

He's scratched tonight. So we'll have to wait and see what coached do with him once he's back...

 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vancouver-canucks-to-scratch-andrei-kuzmenko-again-vs-nashville-predators-1.2051008

[Attila Umbrus]

14 minutes ago, Hogs and Podz said:

Define 'cleanest oil' please.

Whether ethical or clean

 

The world still wants oil and gas big time unfortunately.

 

I’m the first one to wish for bigger alternative energy solutions to run the world but we aren’t there. And i’d love to be part of the new wave of engineers working in clean tech energy. But there is no option at all for me yet to feed my family in clean tech.
 

I’ve worked in the industry for 22 years. If there wasn’t a huge demand for it then the production would stop as there would be no place to sell the product.

 

The only time in my career i’ve had to shut production in was in 2015 when the saudies flooded the market with their oil and gas. They made it so cheap every one bought off of them instead of us and the states. It was like that till 2017…since then nothing has been shut in. In fact production is ramping up natural gas wise.

 

While Vancouver may be an aspiring clean city it’s very far from it.

 

Look at all the traffic and vehicles clogging the roads down there and Victoria.

 

Look at all the chemical, oil, pulp and paper, fishing, and manufacturing operations are along the fraser river as you fly over Vancouver. Pretty dirty and gross. 
 

Look at that big shipping terminal bringing in miles and miles of ships into the English bay all burning diesel and oil.

 

Look at the busy BC ferry services churning away shipping everyone back and fourth to the island.

 

Look at all the jet fuel being burned at the Vancouver air port.

 

Vancouvers fossil fuel imprint in this country is huge. And it is also very vital to our economy. 

 

I’m not trying to be controversial, it just is what it is unfortunately.

 

This hungry world wants more and more energy and if it’s not provided by Canada other countries pick up the slack and those options are far worse than our “cleaner, more ethical oil and gas”

 

We’re all consumers of it. And I don’t think we should point fingers at others when we are all guilty as the next for wanting our energy demands met.

Go Canucks! As they fly first class on a jet airplane 

 

Sorry to derail thread I promise not to post anything else about it here lol.

 

Cheers!

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

6 hours ago, Goal_thecup said:

Coo Coo Ca-Choo Wallie!

[GrammaInTheTub]

4 minutes ago, Captkirk888 said:

I’m defending the guy because I agree. I don’t think we’re alone on that either. Explain to me how I sound wasted Grams?

Sorry, you’re right I misspoke. I don’t believe anyone sounds wasted in any way.

 

I meant to convey imagining someone at a tail gate party who comes in with the energy of someone looking for a confrontation. I should have been more clear in my language and I apologize. Not accusing any real life person here of sounding off.
 

Just pointing out that our friend did come out with language to start that may have warranted a snarky response… I’m just suggesting it didn’t warrant a pile on and was all playful banter. 

[bishopshodan]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

We used to hang out at Richards on Richards every weekend

 

The head doorman (went by RC) who worked most of the nineties, is one of my closest friends. 

 

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I probably saw you around in the night clubs if you were there in the 1980's and 1990's...

I bet we were in the same room many times.

I moved to Van in 93 and started working in the clubs.

[Elias Pettersson]

4 minutes ago, greenbean30 said:

I also don't think Tocc is trying to turn Kuz into a checker, but I do think he expects Kuz to be responsible away from the puck and to give 100% every shift. Boeser hasn't been turned into a checker, but he's changed to be responsible away from the puck, and be in position.

Kuz hasn't been responsible away from the puck, he has floated a lot this year and hasn't done much with any of his opportunities that he has been given, last year only goes so far.

 

Boeser grew up playing North American hockey.  It should be an easy transition for him to play a 200' game, which is taught in every hockey school in North America.  Kuzmenko comes from Russia.  Goal scoring wingers in Russia aren't taught to backcheck, the centre is the one doing most of the defensive work.  Why do you think so many Russian centres turn out to be great two way forwards in the NHL while alot of Russian wingers are one dimensional goal scorers?

[Goose]

32 minutes ago, Moeknows said:

Ya know the saddest part for me...the sheer joy and almiost childlike exuberence of playing Kuzy used to demonstarte has been beaten out of him. Tocchet is a good coach but he;s totally f'd up on what he's doing to Kuzy!

 

I like Kuzy but right now he is having to figure out what to do to be a positive impact on this team. It also doesnt help that the Canucks have more scoring depth as well.

 

24 minutes ago, Captkirk888 said:

Wow, condescend much?…

Why don’t you respond with your reasoning to dispute what you clearly know this ‘moron’ can’t get?

 

 

You obviously havnt read through the posts then.

 

Reading comprehension = your friend

 

If anyone is being condescending it’s the poster notorious for doing so. 

[Elias Pettersson]

15 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

The head doorman (went by RC) who worked most of the nineties, is one of my closest friends. 

 

I bet we were in the same room many times.

I moved to Van in 93 and started working in the clubs.

 

We knew all the doormen at Richards.  We never paid to get in and just walked through the lineup.  I'm probably a bit older than you as I was at Richards in the 1980's.  I don't think I went there much after 1993.  Gretzky's Oilers used to party there all the time.  They were all there at New Year's Eve one year when they were in town.  I "met" Gretzky in the bathroom.  Was about to shake his hand but realized I had just used it taking a piss.  The good old days.  

 

The Big Bamboo was the place to go in the 1990's.  Lady's night was dope...

Edited December 19, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[greenbean30]

2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Boeser grew up playing North American hockey.  It should be an easy transition for him to play a 200' game, which is taught in every hockey school in North America.  Kuzmenko comes from Russia.  Goal scoring wingers in Russia aren't taught to backcheck, the centre is the one doing most of the defensive work.  Why do you think so many Russian centres turn out to be great two way forwards in the NHL while alot of Russian wingers are one dimensional goal scorers?

I know the game in Russia is different, but don't think I said Kuz needs to be a 200' forward and a defensive specialist. I said he needs to be responsible when he's away from the puck and and be in position. Yes he needs to learn how to do this, he is not in Russia anymore, he is playing the game in North America and in the best league in the world. If he can't play properly away from the puck, then he hurts the team.

If Kuz was even half as successful this year as he was last, then this likely wouldn't be a big deal. The problem is, he's not playing well in the offensive zone either, so he's not adding much benefit to the team currently. And that is not because Tocc has him on the 4th line, he wasn't helping the team on Petey's line and he's doing nothing on PP1, he just hasn't been good this year period.

[WHL rocks]

1 hour ago, The Aquaman said:

Look at the size difference guys, and remember our trucks are raised pretty big. 
 

797 Haul Truck, it costs 7,000,000 per unit. We have 81 of them. Have 40 more coming, conversion to Autonomous, it drives it self, MineStar. 
 

All that bitumen, one of those loads is between 120,000-150,000. And they run 24/7, 365 days.  
 

Canada has the cleanest Oil, and oceans of oil. Saskatchewan is untapped.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said:

Whether ethical or clean

 

The world still wants oil and gas big time unfortunately.

 

I’m the first one to wish for bigger alternative energy solutions to run the world but we aren’t there. And i’d love to be part of the new wave of engineers working in clean tech energy. But there is no option at all for me yet to feed my family in clean tech.
 

I’ve worked in the industry for 22 years. If there wasn’t a huge demand for it then the production would stop as there would be no place to sell the product.

 

The only time in my career i’ve had to shut production in was in 2015 when the saudies flooded the market with their oil and gas. They made it so cheap every one bought off of them instead of us and the states. It was like that till 2017…since then nothing has been shut in. In fact production is ramping up natural gas wise.

 

While Vancouver may be an aspiring clean city it’s very far from it.

 

Look at all the traffic and vehicles clogging the roads down there and Victoria.

 

Look at all the chemical, oil, pulp and paper, fishing, and manufacturing operations are along the fraser river as you fly over Vancouver. Pretty dirty and gross. 
 

Look at that big shipping terminal bringing in miles and miles of ships into the English bay all burning diesel and oil.

 

Look at the busy BC ferry services churning away shipping everyone back and fourth to the island.

 

Look at all the jet fuel being burned at the Vancouver air port.

 

Vancouvers fossil fuel imprint in this country is huge. And it is also very vital to our economy. 

 

I’m not trying to be controversial, it just is what it is unfortunately.

 

This hungry world wants more and more energy and if it’s not provided by Canada other countries pick up the slack and those options are far worse than our “cleaner, more ethical oil and gas”

 

We’re all consumers of it. And I don’t think we should point fingers at others when we are all guilty as the next for wanting our energy demands met.

Go Canucks! As they fly first class on a jet airplane 

 

Sorry to derail thread I promise not to post anything else about it here lol.

 

Cheers!

Guys please keep it thread topic related

It messes up the thread for those of us who like to read posts..

 

There's a designated area for these discussions so kindly take your conversation regarding Oil to the appropriate place 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by WHL rocks

[PhillipBlunt]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Kuz good

Tocchet man bad

 

 

 

[Hogs and Podz]

17 minutes ago, flat land fish said:

If you saw the light oil pumped out of certain parts of saskatchewan or alberta you would have a hard time telling the difference between that and gasoline.  In terms of environmental impact everyone associates oil with the oil sands mining which is much less pretty but is highly regulated compared to other parts of the world.  Don't like oil google cobalt mining in the Congo and you will be thoroughly horrified with how ugly it is to make a battery for your phone or computer let alone a car size battery.  Sorry rant over back to hockey.

I worked the mines, pipeline and rigs.  I have seen some of that quality cude.  Just not nearly as many rigs and employment as what the mines produce.  Of our countries oil production.  85% is bitumen and over 90% of the total employment from the production of it...

 

It is true we have the best environmental regulation in the world when it comes to bitumen extraction and production... But then comparing it to lithium extraction practices!  Come on... 

 

Again back to hockey!

[HKSR]

With this treatment of Kuz, good luck signing any more stars out of the KHL in the future.

[Elias Pettersson]

2 minutes ago, Tofu_Bud said:

 

I like Kuzy but right now he is having to figure out what to do to be a positive impact on this team. It also doesnt help that the Canucks have more scoring depth as well.

 

 

You obviously havnt read through the posts then.

 

Reading comprehension = your friend

 

If anyone is being condescending it’s the poster notorious for doing so. 

 

Listen dude, let me explain someone to you real quick.  Players are fair game and I can call them anything I want.  That's not being condescending.  If it hurts your feelings then don't bother responding.  However, when you attack another poster by calling him a "peanut brain", that is a different story.  You can attack any player you want, but don't attack the poster.  Capiche?  

[Elias Pettersson]

8 minutes ago, HKSR said:

With this treatment of Kuz, good luck signing any more stars out of the KHL in the future.

 

My worry right now is Zadorov.  I'm thinking Milstein isn't too happy today.  Will he go off on Twitter like he did with Zadorov?  If he does, we are fooked.

 

I'm going to have a little chat with Milstein on Twitter.  See if he responds.  Will report back...

Edited December 19, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[Rocket-68]

6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Listen dude, let me explain someone to you real quick.  Players are fair game and I can call them anything I want.  That's not being condescending.  If it hurts your feelings then don't bother responding.  However, when you attack another poster by calling him a "peanut brain", that is a different story.  You can attack any player you want, but don't attack the poster.  Capiche?  

 

"Justin, we never attack the individual. We can be in total disagreement with someone, without denigrating them as a consequence" and, saying that, he stood up, took me by the hand and brought me over to introduce me to this man ... Joe Clark

 

Pierre Trudeau (to a very young Justin Trudeau)

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

My worry right now is Zadorov.  I'm thinking Milstein isn't too happy today.  Will he go off on Twitter like he did with Zadorov?  If he does, we are fooked.

 

I'm going to have a little chat with Milstein on Twitter.  See if he responds.  Will report back...

 

I doubt Millstein, or KHL players, would take Kuzy's situation as some kind of warning. Maybe for ones that don't want to play physically, and I'm fine with it if we scare off floaters.

 

I do think Kuzy is trying, and he might put it together sooner than later. He's trying to pick up skills and awareness he didn't need before. 

 

[Rip The Mesh]

Still miss the guy!

 

[Sophomore Jinx]

Ok RT, you're the guy, and I have supported you, but your tough love stance with Kuz is starting to piss me off, and many others I'm sure. 

 

Let Kuz play his game, he will come around to your plan eventually...but the press box isn't the answer, and you are losing a goal scoring machine while leaving him twisting in the wind, losing confidence daily I'm sure, and becoming not only a distraction to the team, but as others have said, his agent and all other stakeholders and potential acquisitions moving forward are no doubt watching.