Alflives Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Trebreh said: having big open ice hitters like Zad and Wilson on the team in the playoffs is an added threat to any potential opponent. We would be one of the grittiest teams in the playoff for sure. Really like Wilson for us, especially with Petey. But concerned his term could collapse our window. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventy7 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Lindholm (4.85) for Kuzmenko (5.5) D-Petey 2024 1st Miller Lindholm Boeser Hoglander Pettersson Mikheyev Joshua Suter Garland Lafferty Bleuger Aman PDG Podkolzin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Provost said: I think it would require a 3rd team involved and let Washington offload Mantha rather than giving him to us as a cap dump. I don't think we really need him. We can then use the cap space more wisely to fill a need (another D) With Backstrom on permanent LTIR the Caps have plenty of cap space to take Kuzmenko without offloading Mantha. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 I don't think a trade is happening anytime soon, I think we are holding pat until we get the value we want or a player we want becomes available... likely we are soliciting teams for the player we are seeking... Alvin is a hard worker and smart, the way he jumped all over the corey perry mishap. He gave calgary what they were looking for (no retention) and it worked out, because Zadorov>>>Beauvillier.... and all it cost us was a 3rd round pick to upgrade. I think we are waiting on is the playoff race TBH, alot of teams looking to improve and others just waiting for more offers as teams get more desperate to improve their club heading into the TDL. My guess is PA was given a nice deserved break after the zadorov trade and was given some wisdom from his Boss, about forcing a square peg through some circle BS... I think teams have realized what makes a cup winning team and their is more than one way to do it... 1. hard and smart working players... there's no shortcuts... 2. Skilled players that complement each other. 3. offense is created through the defense and getting the defense out of their strengths. (chase me please) 4... (im not even sure i want to mention this one as far as i know this is a rick tocchet special, but lets just say that willie nelson's song 'Know when to hold em and know when to fold em' is something the canucks do better than any other team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Miss Korea said: Lol watch us trade Kuzy for Bear If Bear made Jensen expendable... Him + something around Iorio and/or Lapierre, maybe some picks... I'd sure think on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Iorio and a 2x2nds for Kuz and Woo. Corner the market on RHD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuin Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Kuzzy + 1st for buchenevich 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, CaptainQuin said: Kuzzy + 1st for buchenevich Bush bong ain’t worth a first. Maybe a third but nothing more. Benning is no longer here! So stupid over pay trades, like you’re suggesting, won’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, CaptainQuin said: Kuzzy + 1st for buchenevich Buchnevich - Pettersson - Mikheyev Hoglander - Miller - Boeser That's a great Top 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 My first thought is that the Canucks would be crazy to trade Kuzmenko.....but admittedly, I have to ask if he's someone who you win playoff games with. It's a different brand of hockey for sure and the Canucks brass are clearly building towards a playoff performer, not a regular season performer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, CaptainQuin said: Kuzzy + 1st for buchenevich I doubt he's available, would probably have to add if he were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 14 hours ago, Coconuts said: I'd consider taking Mantha, he's expiring cap, but Washington would have to add They have three 2025 2nd's, could always trade Kuzmenko for Mantha+ and then pay to dump Mantha on a bottom feeder or just wait it out Could open space for a more significant move if Allvin is inclined to make one Would free up cap space, if Kuzmenko isn't in the top six it's not as if we'd be losing much i don't think any team is going to add for kuzmenko given the situation with the canucks... i mean why would they.. it's either the canucks trade him for almost nothing.. or have his cap sit in the pressbox because RT won't play him. So teams can afford to lowball.. capital will prolly say mantha and a 7th or kick rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 13 hours ago, Coconuts said: I'd rather get something that can be parlayed into something else (picks) and the cap space that opens up when Mantha's deal expires at the end of this season Sets us up nicely in the offseason or frees up room for us to add via trade if we pay to dump Mantha on a team like Chicago If you get a 2nd with mantha you would have to send it to the hawks to take his salary. What's the point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 IMHO Canucks are in a very strong position when it comes to dealing Kuz if that is what they do. His video from last year shows 39 goals scored. His lack of success this year can be written off to a personal problem with Tocc or the idea that his game does not mesh with Vancouver anymore. Interested GM's will likely think he can work on their rosters. PA can cruise towards the TDL with a possible ace in his pocket. We all know that PA & JR like to strike at the optimum time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Coryberg said: If you get a 2nd with mantha you would have to send it to the hawks to take his salary. What's the point? Salary cap space. Remember that's worth it for what options it can open up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Glad to see the agent pour cold water on this - plan in place and he is happy in Van. Canucks will need a pure goal scorer at some in the season. All about getting him battle ready for the stretch run and playoffs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NoCupSyndrome said: Glad to see the agent pour cold water on this - plan in place and he is happy in Van. Canucks will need a pure goal scorer at some in the season. All about getting him battle ready for the stretch run and playoffs. Edited December 21, 2023 by Bob Long 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, JayDangles said: Salary cap space. Remember that's worth it for what options it can open up. And then add assets to get those other options who may or may not fit well. Selling low and buying high seldom works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 One thing is for sure, benching, scratching and leaving him on the 4th line is not going to help his value one bit. If they want to move him they've gone about this all wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Coryberg said: If you get a 2nd with mantha you would have to send it to the hawks to take his salary. What's the point? That's assuming you only get a second, but he answer would be cap space It'd likely require an additional move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Coryberg said: And then add assets to get those other options who may or may not fit well. Selling low and buying high seldom works. Sold low on Beauvillier and used the cap space to get Z.... so yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinch Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 If still top 5 In Standings at TDL is our 1rst for sale to go all in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 16 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: My first thought is that the Canucks would be crazy to trade Kuzmenko.....but admittedly, I have to ask if he's someone who you win playoff games with. It's a different brand of hockey for sure and the Canucks brass are clearly building towards a playoff performer, not a regular season performer. He doesn’t look like a playoff guy good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Bob Long said: Milstein always says the right thing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) IF... PA/JR feel we need to trade Kuzzy this would be my Christmas wish Kuzmenko + a mid round pick (3rd-5th) for Alex Tuch. Alex Tuch is EXACTLY what our top 6 needs. 6'4 and 220 lbs He has high end speed, hard hitting and plays a north/south game which RT loves. He's great on the boards, wins alot of puck battles and hard to move in front of the net. He's performed around .5 PPG in the playoffs and .68 PPG during the regular season. He's 27 & signed for 2 more seasons at $4.75 million per season. I think he'd be perfect for Tocc's :"systems & Puck Presure" coaching philosphy. He also offers playoff expierence and has a 5 team no trade list. Kuzmenko (IMO) has a higher ceiling and more offensively gifted but seems confused and stagnant under Tocc's system. I fully expect he will turn it around with a little more time & patience. In Buffalo, where they seem to be a little less structured (in their systems) he would probably flourish. Kuzzy has great puck skills and good with puck possession but I feel his creativity has been stunted lately because he's worried about making a mistake. Kuzmenko is sighed for 1 more season at $5.5 million. Buffalo might be intrested in this trade as they get the more offensive player (IMO) and are only commited financially for 1 more year...plus they could be looking to shake their team up. I'm not saying we should trade Kuzzy...I really like him and feel with time he'll find his game abd return to form (or something close to it) BUT... If Mgmt feel they need push all in then this is the kind of trade I'd like to see. Edited December 21, 2023 by Blitz-Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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