PGT - Flyers at Canucks - 12/28/23

[coolboarder]

Rusty in this game, and will be even rustier next Tuesday.  More practice time would be beneficial and shake off turkey legs.  

[Darius]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

As for coaching I would like to see people stfu about firing Tocchet. We have been through a GM and 2 coaches in 2 years before Tocchet, next big move is a player or 2 going out, they have had more than enough coach life lines… 

I dont know how this is even a conversation at this point.  Going back to last year Tocchet is 43-21-7 -this includes working with that mess of a D last year (no hronek, soucy, cole, zadorov). what record would he have to have not to get fired in some peoples minds?  Ill go as far as saying if the season ended today he would be a sure Jack Adams candidate.

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

12 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said:

They got a reasonable amount of ice-time. This time any video games - you can’t run one line. Shit even video games fatigue sets in. 

Their next game is Jan 2 Tocchet could have had them out every 2nd shift

[Darius]

7 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

 

We have Lafferty who is a physical winger but certainly not top six.  We also have Höglander who is deceptively good in the corners and has played with Petey before.  Not sure if he's earned a shot on the top line but he's our best option to shake things up.

Agree with you about Hogs, he could be a solution - at least in the short term as a shakeup.  

 

What would a legit top 6 be?  I think someone that can put up 50+ points and 20+ goals as the baseline.  Can hogs do that?  perhaps.  The other guy that could potentially check off the boxes (physical top 6) one day is Podkolzin.  The concern I have about Hogs/Podz playing with Petey is can they keep up with the mental chess petey plays, i dont know if they can operate at that level.    

 

 

[Jaimito]

 

Back to practice tomorrow 

 

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

10 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

These aren't kids.  They're adults.  They can be just as guilty of making errors just as much as the coaches can.  A couple players had their worst games of the season tonight.  Coach or player - there is enough blame to go around.

As long as you concede that the coach has fault as well I will concede that the players are at fault. You are right they are not kids and the blame is placed on both coach and players.

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

Just now, Jaimito said:

 

Back to practice tomorrow 

 

Should be 6 am. Like the working man has to do. Teach them they get to play a game for a living

[canuck73_3]

13 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

As long as you concede that the coach has fault as well I will concede that the players are at fault. You are right they are not kids and the blame is placed on both coach and players.

3 coaches in 2 years it’s on the players now. Period…

[canuck73_3]

12 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Should be 6 am. Like the working man has to do. Teach them they get to play a game for a living

You never played competitive sports on evening schedules and it shows. 

[hockeyfan-observer]

I thought the Canucks were okay earlier in the game (worried about those slow starts) so I was kind of surprised in the breakdowns midway through resulting in 3 of the 4 goals. Most of the goals against were self inflicted errors in coverage though (usually leaving an open opponent) and can be corrected with a bit better focus and awareness.  Its too bad we had a single game between two holiday periods - players probably would have preferred an additional game just before the first break. (even my colleagues almost forgot about this game tonight with all the holiday festivities this week

 

Although the result is not what we wanted, it is good lesson of where we need to be if we are to make the successful steps toward playoff qualification - the teams we play in the 2nd half are probably more skilled and physical than the first half.

 

Obviously, we still need work a bit of work in these high presses - more physicality sort of games but can learn from some of the mistakes tonight before playing similar teams like the Kings, Bruins,  Vegas, Islanders etc.

 

Hopefully they are much more prepared + focused against the Sens - before heading out on the 7 game road trip. 

 

 

 

[Rip The Mesh]

39 minutes ago, CanuckMan said:

I see people giving too many excuses for poor play. These guys are professional athletes. They should live, breathe, and play hockey because that is what they are paid to do. Christmas comes every year, should be no different. Should come to play and give your 100% every game. Clearly they weren’t hungry enough today. Doesn’t help that we have a big break before the next game again. Watch them come out slow again and people will blame it on them enjoying new years too much. need to play 60 minutes of hockey and lose these bad habits now or we won’t make it past the first round. 

Agree. I wish we could be headed out on the road for 2 or so and find what we've been doing that was successful. Going to be a challenge, to say the least, trying

to find their games practicing at home. Christmas is four days past now. Saving grace may be going over and over the game they played last night and take good

hard looks at what they did and didn't do.

Heck! They even have a template of what a good team does; Themselves before the break...

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

13 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

3 coaches in 2 years it’s on the players now. Period…

Half the team has been replaced. So how can it still be on the players

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

13 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

You never played competitive sports on evening schedules and it shows. 

No hockey for the team till Jan 2 

[Jaimito]

Lol

 

probably Big Z's worst game as a Canucks. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Jaimito

[Gawdzukes]

Mistakes lost this game. Its on the players, they either came in over confident or unfocused. It happens.

 

Rebound.

[canuck73_3]

2 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Half the team has been replaced. So how can it still be on the players

It's not even the same coach that started last season. They have since had the best start in franchise history and play with structure.  Hint, it’s not the coach… 

[canuck73_3]

3 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

No hockey for the team till Jan 2 

6am practice after a game night is beyond moronic and helps nothing. 

[Gawdzukes]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

6am practice after a game night is beyond moronic and helps nothing. 

 

 

How about 5am? That'll learn em even better. 

[PhillipBlunt]

This team needs its leaders to lead. That wasn’t happening today. Pettersson is especially inconsistent this season and looks to be not quite ready for the next step in his “ascension” to being one of the leagues premier players. 
 

Elias wants to play on a winning team? Great? Maybe he should play like it. 

[LillStrimma]

3 hours ago, Integra250 said:

Hope we don’t play Philly in the Stanley Cup Finals

 

So you really believe they win a seven game serie against the Canucks? 
 

I don’t believe any team take us in seven games.

[PhillipBlunt]

47 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Should be 6 am. Like the working man has to do. Teach them they get to play a game for a living

[canuck73_3]

34 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Half the team has been replaced. So how can it still be on the players

The core has not changed since Rutherford/Allvin came in. They identified the core as Hughes, Miller, Petey, Demko and Hronek. Every team turns over spare parts. The Core has not changed. So yes it is on the players and not the coach. Drop it. 

[JamesB]

Some late comments.

 

1. OK, it was a demoralizing loss. But it was not as bad as the score suggests.

 

2. The Canucks were not great at any time but, apart from a short meltdown for about 5 minutes in the second period, the Canucks played the Flyers even on the scoreboard and had an edge in the underlying stats. In fact, the Canucks had a slight overall edge in shots on goal and a big edge in Corsi.

 

3. Zadorov made a really bad play to give up a breakaway and Boeser made a lazy and clueless play on the shorthanded goal against. Zadorov and Boeser ended up with the bottom two spots in the statcards advanced stat (gamescore) and were near the bottom on the natural stat trick expected goal percentage stat.  So, yeah, those two guys had bad games. The good thing is that their big errors are correctable blunders and not likely to be repeated. Zadorov had something of a reputation for making Myers-like mistakes but with the Canucks he has been pretty good until tonight. Maybe he needs to re-focus.

 

4. The Myers/Zadorov pairing has been struggling for a while now, including tonight. It will be interesting to see what happens when Soucy comes back. 

 

4. The Philly PP goal was a seeing-eye shot from the point with a screened goalie. Shots like that occasionally score, but not often.  The goal was bad luck. The Canucks have had more than their share of good luck this season but tonight the luck went the other way.  In fact, the Canucks had a positive expected goal differential, both at 5-on-5 and overall. They were unlucky not to get another goal and were unlucky to give up as much as they did. This is classic "regression" and the Canuck PDO did regress tonight.

 

5. Some obvious good news is that the Blueger line with Joshua and Garland continues to play well. And Petey, Kuzy, and Mik were actually pretty good tonight and were unlucky not to score.  It looks like Kuzy will be "part of the solution, not part of the problem."

 

6. The Petey line and the Miller line are due for some positive "regression".

 

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

9 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

The core has not changed since Rutherford/Allvin came in. They identified the core as Hughes, Miller, Petey, Demko and Hronek. Every team turns over spare parts. The Core has not changed. So yes it is on the players and not the coach. Drop it. 

1st Hronek is a new player so he didn't play for the past coaches.

 

So what you are saying is that Hughes, Miller Petey and Demko is the problem with this team. That's your logic not mine

Edited December 29, 2023 by CanuckFanForever

[N4ZZY]

1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

 

BB is team leader in goals and #2 in NHL scoring.

 

Big difference.   

 

So that means he's not held accountable? Star players on the team when they're playing poorly shouldn't get a pass. Curious to see how Tocchet handles Brock not playing well tonight. I mean, Kuzmenko did score 39 goals a year ago, and he regularly gets benched this season. And yea, it's true that he hasn't produced at the same level as last season, but still. 

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by N4ZZY