Snoop Hogg Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, The Lock said: Oh yeah? Well my god's dad can beat up your god's dad! Yeah he is a 3 time black belt karate hall of famer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Ilunga Posted September 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2023 How about we be kind to people. To each other. That's my religion. 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Really happy to see you back brother. thanks man, looking forward to some interesting discussions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RupertKBD Posted September 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2023 I'm not really big on religion...but I gotta say I like the fact that God is such a big sports fan... I know this is the case, because I keep seeing pro athletes thanking Him for helping them win. Now we just have to figure out why he hates the Canucks so much.... 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Nobody has adequately countered the Epicurean Paradox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Foamys Ghost said: Nobody has adequately countered the Epicurean Paradox. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 God doesn’t exist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnstorm Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, Chicken. said: God doesn’t exist Better tell these guys before their brains are mush… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Foamys Ghost said: Nobody has adequately countered the Epicurean Paradox. Didn't Augustine claim this is why God gave us free will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: Didn't Augustine claim this is why God gave us free will? He did but it doesn't explain famine or disease killing off young children nor why so much faith is required without evidence other than a bronze age collection of stories or why a loving god would relegate to hell those who don't get the cryptic messages. Edited September 17, 2023 by Foamys Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Foamys Ghost said: He did but it doesn't explain famine or disease killing off young children nor why so much faith is required without evidence other than a bronze age collection of stories or why a loving god would relegate to hell those who don't get the cryptic messages. You like, Epicurus, seem to believe what some religious people state, that he is a kind, loving being, or in the case of sending them to a " hell ", a spiteful vindictive being. Human characteristics attributed to a creator being. What if the being that created the elements that make up the universe, including human beings, is indifferent to us ? As another poster pointed out, we have free will, we make our choices. Apart from the direct consequences of those choices during our lives, we do not currently have any evidence that those choices have any consequences after we have died. Also good/ evil are subjective things usually determined by a majority view in any given society. There is also the fact that we don't have any current evidence of a " god " It wasn't that long ago that we had no evidence in regards to the beginnings of our species and the Universe we inhabit. What about Multiverses ? Are you going to deny they exist just because we don't currently have any concrete evidence, only theories ? An open mind is a good thing. In case you don't know, I am agnostic. It's the only rational, logical position to take. Also I am 99 percent certain if there does happen to be a creator being, it doesn't correspond with religious texts. They are metaphors that are meant to teach us how to interact, however some human beings by their nature use those texts to control others, and twist them to their own ends. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 those apples sure do look delicious... but im here for hockey... my final post on this topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doogie Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Foamys Ghost said: He did but it doesn't explain famine or disease killing off young children nor why so much faith is required without evidence other than a bronze age collection of stories or why a loving god would relegate to hell those who don't get the cryptic messages. Maybe you’re looking in the wrong place and therefore you think there is no evidence. Edited September 17, 2023 by Doogie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 God is in our critters. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Ilunga said: You like, Epicurus, seem to believe what some religious people state, that he is a kind, loving being, or in the case of sending them to a " hell ", a spiteful vindictive being. Human characteristics attributed to a creator being. What if the being that created the elements that make up the universe, including human beings, is indifferent to us ? As another poster pointed out, we have free will, we make our choices. Apart from the direct consequences of those choices during our lives, we do not currently have any evidence that those choices have any consequences after we have died. Also good/ evil are subjective things usually determined by a majority view in any given society. There is also the fact that we don't have any current evidence of a " god " It wasn't that long ago that we had no evidence in regards to the beginnings of our species and the Universe we inhabit. What about Multiverses ? Are you going to deny they exist just because we don't currently have any concrete evidence, only theories ? An open mind is a good thing. In case you don't know, I am agnostic. It's the only rational, logical position to take. Also I am 99 percent certain if there does happen to be a creator being, it doesn't correspond with religious texts. They are metaphors that are meant to teach us how to interact, however some human beings by their nature use those texts to control others, and twist them to their own ends. You're 99% certain, yet agnostic? That doesn't seem very rational or logical to me. God is a specific definition of a Supreme Being and creator/ruler of the universe who interferes with our lives here on earth. If you're 99% certain that this God isn't real and instead are keeping your mind open to "something" that may have started the universe (e.g. the universe is a living being itself), that's different and doesn't require you to call yourself agnostic. God does not exist. Full stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Jester13 said: Didn't Augustine claim this is why God gave us free will? yep, its the Christian weasel clause. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Foamys Ghost said: Nobody has adequately countered the Epicurean Paradox. it's interesting to apply it to the institution of christianity (or any other organized relation, like Scientology). Why do religious institutions allow evil? If they do, why do we need them? Regardless of whatever source people think we spring from, one thing I've never understood is why I need some mediating person or institution between me and that source. All of the abuse we've seen in the name of religion is in service of the institutions. And they aren't needed, at all, that I can see. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -dlc- Posted September 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Ilunga said: How about we be kind to people. To each other. That's my religion. Me too...it starts and ends there for me. When my daughter was in grade 2 or 3 a group of kids teased her because they asked what church she went to and she said she didn't go to church. They circled her, pointed at her, said she was going to hell, etc. She came home devastated. I told her to go to them the next day and tell them their God would be very disappointed in them. That they were acting out of hate not love. That shaming her wasn't being a good church-goer. And, finally, that her church was in her heart...that we don't need to enter a building to be good. It worked, they didn't bother her again. 4 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Jester13 said: You're 99% certain, yet agnostic? That doesn't seem very rational or logical to me. God is a specific definition of a Supreme Being and creator/ruler of the universe who interferes with our lives here on earth. If you're 99% certain that this God isn't real and instead are keeping your mind open to "something" that may have started the universe (e.g. the universe is a living being itself), that's different and doesn't require you to call yourself agnostic. God does not exist. Full stop. It depends on how you define God to some extent. The "God of Spinoza" matches your definition of a universal creation spirit that does not interfere in our lives as far as we can tell. Of course even that lacks empirical evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 If "God" is indifferent and doesn't care what we do, then it makes exactly zero difference whether the Universe is a result of Intelligent Design, or billions of years of random acts of physics.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) I remember back in early elementary school, I got invited to a bible camp. While my parents were both Atheist, it was encouraged for us to figure ourselves out and a number of family members like my uncle and grandmother were religious. Perhaps ironically enough, I was kind of dumb at the time and didn't fully understand what was going on. I ended up hearing about this story of the ark and god and Adam and Eve and stuff and just thought it was some cool fairy tale story. lol I'm still Atheist to this day (well Agnostic really but still). Edited September 17, 2023 by The Lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Uh-oh ... the God Thread. I mean really ..... would a JUST God allow VGN to win the Cup in just their 6th season?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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