PeteyBOI Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Religion is not a inherently good or evil thing its a concept created by humans to show worship and prove faith, its the poor judgement by the humans themselves that causes them to act poorly whether they are religious or not.. apparently the bible is co-written by humans and by humans that had god speak to them... all i got to say about that is sometimes people are wrong... and most humans are only able to fully comprehend 60% of any given conversation... i dont know maybe god zapped the full understanding of his message through his almighty powers, but even so many/most of the ancient scriptures are comprehension from man themselves... and as we know the concept of good or evil things can change over time... even the church update their views different than old testament... however i believe alot of what is written in the bible still holds value today especially the 7 deadly sins, but the definition of what those sins mean today are much different than 1000's of years ago... if we just defined what the sin of sloth meant 1000's of years ago nearly all of us would be guilty of that today... so its important to just think about the message instead of getting stuck up on the wording 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrago Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 If God is all powerful can he make a rock so heavy even he can't lift it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Really? You don't think the Crusades were based on religion? you are not understanding my message... that religious wars were just a vessle... if it not were for religion it would be for something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: I'm not sure. I made a comment about EPs post saying that 72% of people believe in God, by pointing out a majority of opinion does not make something a fact. I then pointed out, that once upon a time, a majority of people considered bathing to be harmful, to illustrate my point. You chimed in about "too much bathing being harmful". That was right after EP had taken umbrage at my referring to 72% as a simple majority, rather than a "super" majority. 72%? Maybe worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Thrago said: If God is all powerful can he make a rock so heavy even he can't lift it? Classic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, 4petesake said: 72%? Maybe worldwide. 72% is worldwide. 50% of atheists live in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Toni Zamboni said: 369 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, Thrago said: If God is all powerful can he make a rock so heavy even he can't lift it? i'm a f*cking walking paradox no i'm not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 9/18/2023 at 5:27 PM, Elias Pettersson said: This is a question that gets asked all the time. Why do bad things happen to good people? If you have been religious all of your life then you would know the answer. It’s pretty simple really. Do explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 to further my point on how i believe religions are not major factor in starting wars ill explain myself... When you break it down, religions are essentially sets of beliefs, right? It's the people who follow them who make choices. People join religions because they already share the same beliefs. So, if it wasn't religion, it might be something else that brings like-minded people together. Sure, we hear about conflicts where religion seems to be the main reason. But sometimes, religion is just used as a rallying point. The core issue often lies in our instinctual mistrust of outsiders based off rumours of political, economical and territorial motivations... It's not about blaming religion; it's about understanding human behavior. Even if religion disappeared, people might still form groups based on their beliefs. So, it's not religions causing wars, but humans finding reasons to fight, whether it's religion or something else. It's just a theory, but it's intriguing to consider how we humans work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 9/17/2023 at 10:10 PM, Master Mind said: Bad things happening =/= God not good/loving. Why? If God made it and it is bad/evil does not that imply God is not good/loving? If God created the universe and is omniscient then He created childhood bone cancer, thus dooming that child to a painful death. Some of those children were not Christian, thus they are doomed for eternity. This sounds like an evil act to me. Please explain how it isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Foamys Ghost said: Why? If God made it and it is bad/evil does not that imply God is not good/loving? If God created the universe and is omniscient then He created childhood bone cancer, thus dooming that child to a painful death. Some of those children were not Christian, thus they are doomed for eternity. This sounds like an evil act to me. Please explain how it isn't. define the perfect world... define utopia! define the perfect welcome message... once we have found the definition of everything perfect we can eliminate everything else... Imagine if everything was designed perfectly without flaws... what does that even look like? do black holes exist in utopia? what about males and females? wouldnt it be easier and better if there was no gender? mutation could still occur... your idea that bad things existing proves god deosnt exist is kind of funny to me... because i believe that bad things make the world interesting and make the good things worth fighting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) Dear God - XTC. pretty much sums it all up for me..... Edited September 22, 2023 by moosehead 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, moosehead said: Dear God - XTC HELL yeah. Great song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: 72% is worldwide. 50% of atheists live in China. As a guy who has created dozens and dozens of polls I like to think that you realize that 72% no more proves the existence of God than the 54% of Canadians who don’t believe in God or a supreme being proves the opposite. It’s simply a snapshot for any given moment in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dankmemes187 said: define the perfect world... define utopia! define the perfect welcome message... once we have found the definition of everything perfect we can eliminate everything else... Imagine if everything was designed perfectly without flaws... what does that even look like? do black holes exist in utopia? what about males and females? wouldnt it be easier and better if there was no gender? mutation could still occur... your idea that bad things existing proves god deosnt exist is kind of funny to me... because i believe that bad things make the world interesting and make the good things worth fighting for So in your opinion terminal childhood bone cancer is worth it because it makes the world interesting. Sorry, I'm not buying it. As for fighting for good things, why would you have to fight for them. You could just appreciate them and enjoy them instead. Your argument is lacking a compelling point or really even a rational point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkidu Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: HELL yeah. Great song. Anyone else see them in Victoria? We were on the same ferry on the way back to Vancouver. Kind of funny seeing them in line for the cafeteria. Great show by the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Foamys Ghost said: So in your opinion terminal childhood bone cancer is worth it because it makes the world interesting. Sorry, I'm not buying it. As for fighting for good things, why would you have to fight for them. You could just appreciate them and enjoy them instead. Your argument is lacking a compelling point or really even a rational point. No, dude. What I'm saying is. The bad things make the good things worth fighting for. And without any bad things. The world would be boring as Frick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Foamys Ghost said: So in your opinion terminal childhood bone cancer is worth it because it makes the world interesting. Sorry, I'm not buying it. As for fighting for good things, why would you have to fight for them. You could just appreciate them and enjoy them instead. Your argument is lacking a compelling point or really even a rational point. oh and define utopia please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Dankmemes187 said: No, dude. What I'm saying is. The bad things make the good things worth fighting for. And without any bad things. The world would be boring as Frick. I'll take that boring world, thank you, if only it were an option. Unlike you I don't have any need for horrible things to happen to make life not boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ds4quality Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Inkidu said: Anyone else see them in Victoria? We were on the same ferry on the way back to Vancouver. Kind of funny seeing them in line for the cafeteria. Great show by the way. Every time I've tried to see them, they were always making plans for Nigel 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Dankmemes187 said: oh and define utopia please No reason to define utopia. I'd accept a world without evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Foamys Ghost said: I'll take that boring world, thank you, if only it were an option. Unlike you I don't have any need for horrible things to happen to make life not boring. weird.. it might involve not having a wife and children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyBOI Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Foamys Ghost said: No reason to define utopia. I'd accept a world without evil. define evil define good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamys Ghost Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Dankmemes187 said: weird.. it might involve not having a wife and children This doesn't appear to be implied anywhere in this discussion. Remember we are just talking about removing evil rather than randomly removing people that might be dear to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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