Popular Post Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, smithers joe said: that is the very reason that i do not like the god thread. you have every right to your beliefs and you might even be right. but you might even be wrong. someday we'll all find out the truth. but threads do not answer any of the questions we all have. saying that, i believe that our souls suvive death and we get to see our love ones again. without that, this life has no meaning to me. am i delusional. maybe but that is my faith in the matter. it always will be. and I have and will defend your right to believe that. I will also defend my right to be free from it and any child's right to be free from indoctrination into it. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 55 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I don’t know of any Roman Catholic that believes you will burn in hell for not believing in God. Or that your life will be full of misery. Your soul will simply stay at a certain level and never grow. An entire handful of generations were forced to go to Assumption Indian Residential School, Blue Quill's Indian Residential School, Holy Angels Residential School, Crowfoot Indian Residential School, St Joseph's Industrial School, Ermineskin Indian Residential School, St Mary's Indian Residential School, Immaculate Conception Boarding School, Sacred Heart Residential School, St Albert Residential School, Grouard Residential School, and 57 other residential Schools that were run by Roman Catholics. At these schools, the children were abused, beaten, sometimes raped and sometimes murdered and the survivors almost every single one that is interviewed states that the schools and the Priests and the Nuns and the Catholic employees were doing all of this to save their souls from eternal damnation and hellfire on account of the "indians" not being Roman Catholics. So you will forgive me if i laugh outright at your assertion. edit: Also of note, the last one of these places to shut down happened in 1996, so it isn't even like we can say "oh hundreds of years ago doesn't count" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Summary of this thread so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 53 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: No, you will go to Purgatory. The absence of God, forever and ever and ever and ever and did I mention forever? You can be saved. You simply need to repent all of your sins and proclaim that Jesus Christ is your saviour... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I can be safer by working to end the existence of the Roman Catholic Church in Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I like this song a lot too. "I am the only one I should Adore" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Summary of this thread so far... Being an agnostic I honestly enjoy reading all this. Science, and mysteries of the everything are always on my mind. I find your pov a bit frustrating but I am really glad you are here contributing. But I must also acknowledge that some athiests I know drive me a bit batty with how absolute they can be about it being lights out in the end. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: An entire handful of generations were forced to go to Assumption Indian Residential School, Blue Quill's Indian Residential School, Holy Angels Residential School, Crowfoot Indian Residential School, St Joseph's Industrial School, Ermineskin Indian Residential School, St Mary's Indian Residential School, Immaculate Conception Boarding School, Sacred Heart Residential School, St Albert Residential School, Grouard Residential School, and 57 other residential Schools that were run by Roman Catholics. At these schools, the children were abused, beaten, sometimes raped and sometimes murdered and the survivors almost every single one that is interviewed states that the schools and the Priests and the Nuns and the Catholic employees were doing all of this to save their souls from eternal damnation and hellfire on account of the "indians" not being Roman Catholics. So you will forgive me if i laugh outright at your assertion. edit: Also of note, the last one of these places to shut down happened in 1996, so it isn't even like we can say "oh hundreds of years ago doesn't count" All of those things are terrible. I never condoned any of that and nobody I ever went to school with, no priest that I have ever been involved with, has ever condoned that or been a part of that history. The Roman Catholic church in my opinion has been corrupted for centuries. Man is full of sin and God himself would never have wanted all of that to happen. God created man in his own likeness, but man also has free will. Those horrible things you mentioned are due to free will and man's corruption of the Roman Catholic church and of this life in general. This life is full of sin and corruption and IMO is the actual Hell. Hell on Earth as they call it. Maybe we will have another Noah's Ark situation even though God said it would never happen again. At the very least, there needs to be a cleansing of this earth. Including a cleansing of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic church... Edited October 5, 2023 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe King Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I won't try to convince anyone to not have faith. But I have none. I just refuse to believe that if there were a higher power that can create all of the universe,then stands back and allows all this suffering and injustice to poison much of their creation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Man created god in his own likeness fixed this for you. Wrath, envy, greed, heck even raping a chick to make her bring forth the boychild are all prevelent themes in the novel written by semi literate migrant tent dwelling men grasping to control their population. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe King said: Everything as I know has a beginning and an end.Where does always start? One explanation that I've heard goes something like this: The creator is larger than its creation. What is true of the creation isn't necessarily true of the creator. Everything in the Universe is subject to the law of causation. God created the Universe and everything in it. Including the law of causation. But God Itself is not subject to the law of causation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Summary of this thread so far... Incorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: One explanation that I've heard goes something like this: The creator is larger than its creation. What is true of the creation isn't necessarily true of the creator. Everything in the Universe is subject to the law of causation. God created the Universe and everything in it. Including the law of causation. But God Itself is not subject to the law of causation. a wise man once asked "can god microwave a burrito so hot that even god himself can't eat it?" i will take a long break from this thread now, while you folks decide can god make a burrito too hot for him to eat, or can he eat any level of hot burrito? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: You can be saved. You simply need to repent all of your sins and proclaim that Jesus Christ is your saviour... You can be Saved from ignorance. I posted links earlier. Read>Believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe King Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, UnkNuk said: One explanation that I've heard goes something like this: The creator is larger than its creation. What is true of the creation isn't necessarily true of the creator. Everything in the Universe is subject to the law of causation. God created the Universe and everything in it. Including the law of causation. But God Itself is not subject to the law of causation. Ok thank you for the explanation. It doesn't change my mind on my beliefs. But I do sincerely appreciate your response to my question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 oh and one last on topic song i love that fits nicely in this thread. John has passed away far tooo young but he left us so many gifts in his music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: One explanation that I've heard goes something like this: The creator is larger than its creation. What is true of the creation isn't necessarily true of the creator. Everything in the Universe is subject to the law of causation. God created the Universe and everything in it. Including the law of causation. But God Itself is not subject to the law of causation. Convenient caveat created by Man about a diety that they want to be above reproach, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: Convenient caveat created by Man about a diety that they want to be above reproach, no? Quite possibly. But I find it an interesting idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, UnkNuk said: Quite possibly. But I find it an interesting idea. Things are interesting. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: a wise man once asked "can god microwave a burrito so hot that even god himself can't eat it?" i will take a long break from this thread now, while you folks decide can god make a burrito too hot for him to eat, or can he eat any level of hot burrito? God created logic and the logical paradoxes that logic can give rise to? But God is not bound by logic or logical paradoxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: You can be saved. You simply need to repent all of your sins and proclaim that Jesus Christ is your saviour... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: All of those things are terrible. I never condoned any of that and nobody I ever went to school with, no priest that I have ever been involved with, has ever condoned that or been a part of that history. The Roman Catholic church in my opinion has been corrupted for centuries. Man is full of sin and God himself would never have wanted all of that to happen. God created man in his own likeness, but man also has free will. Those horrible things you mentioned are due to free will and man's corruption of the Roman Catholic church and of this life in general. This life is full of sin and corruption and IMO is the actual Hell. Hell on Earth as they call it. Maybe we will have another Noah's Ark situation even though God said it would never happen again. At the very least, there needs to be a cleansing of this earth. Including a cleansing of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic church... While I’m not suggesting for a moment that you ever condoned or excused any of this I highly doubt that no priest you’ve ever been involved with has condoned or been part of that history. This isn’t ancient history by any means. For example the man in charge of the ”Sixties Scoop” or Canada’s AIM program is still an active Mennonite pastor in Saskatchewan. No argument with your comment about the corruption of the Catholic Church, or any other church for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: All of those things are terrible. I never condoned any of that and nobody I ever went to school with, no priest that I have ever been involved with, has ever condoned that or been a part of that history. The Roman Catholic church in my opinion has been corrupted for centuries. Man is full of sin and God himself would never have wanted all of that to happen. God created man in his own likeness, but man also has free will. Those horrible things you mentioned are due to free will and man's corruption of the Roman Catholic church and of this life in general. This life is full of sin and corruption and IMO is the actual Hell. Hell on Earth as they call it. Maybe we will have another Noah's Ark situation even though God said it would never happen again. At the very least, there needs to be a cleansing of this earth. Including a cleansing of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic church... Whom do you think wrote the bible? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said: That’s pretty dark my friend. If that is all that you are getting from this thread then I don’t know what to tell you. Man is full of sin. Some things cannot be explained by someone like me because I am just a man and a sinner too. I don’t have all the answers. But neither does the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Whom do you think wrote the bible? God write the Bible through his prophets and apostles and others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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