PGT - Senaturds at Canucks - 01/02/24

[Ballisticsports]

9 hours ago, Canuckleheads Fan said:

Honestly, every player and every team manages their minutes. You don't get as pumped up to play crap trams, sometimes it bites you, generally not. Nobody can get game-day jacked 82 games a year, this is not the NFL where you prepare all week for one opponent and one game for only 16-weeks. Also, maybe a team doesn't go all-out when they're up 5-0 after the first. The fact is no human could play 100% every minute of every game 82 games a year plus playoffs. It's not humanly possible. So if the team takes a period or two off here or there so they have gas the tank for the better teams, and they still win pretty easily, so be it. The Canucks are winning, which is more than I can say for Vegas currently.

That seems to be the way, but most only play 10+ min a night

When it's 5-0 I'd like to see the less played lines be rewarded with more time and they would appreciate those min.

When I paid to play (as many of you) I couldn't wait to get off the bench and put in a strong effort , even after putting in a full days work and commute

Sometimes you lose games you should win, but this year we've come out on the positive side of both , so I am happy for that

[bishopshodan]

Just now, tas said:

you seem very concerned. 

You cant quit me.

[PhillipBlunt]

8 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Welcome to the 2nd half of the season.  This seems to happen more often the later the season gets.

 

As far as this game went, despite my penchant for bitching about reffing, I had no issue with it until the closed hand on the puck in the crease was let go. There were a number of little things allowed for both sides, so I didn't feel the need to complain much. But that play was too obvious to let go, IMO.

True. The reffing was loose, but even for both teams.

[Kragar]

3 hours ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

I’ve calm down a bit but I spent my hard earned  money to watch them suck… It was a shitty game - most of their goals were fluky bro… Ottawa should’ve won they played better for 2/3 of the game

 

Switch goalies and they would’ve beat us easily.

Ottawa D sucks. Don't think the goalie change would have made an impact in the W column.

 

The team likely woulda played harder if they weren't spanking them already.

 

I understand the frustration, as the last two periods were hard to watch. But they're a lot easier to watch when there's a big cushion of goals to sit on, and they weren't depending on Demko to stand in his head.

 

Who knows, maybe taking the boots to them would have made for some ugly retaliation. Once MacEwen was put in his place by the refs, a lot of life went out of the game, which can be good for the winning team.

 

I'm just glad the boys have some good feelings to take with them on the flight to StL, while also knowing their game was not well played and they need to play better against the tougher competition coming up.

[Kragar]

2 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

Pretty much. Without his effort they had nothing.

Yeah, Brady seemed invisible last night... love it!

[Gawdzukes]

18 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

True. The reffing was loose, but even for both teams.

 

One good thing I've noticed is there is so much bitching about the refereeing around here I'm 100% sure I'll never have to mention it again because CFF has me covered for life.  

 

  

26 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Welcome to the 2nd half of the season.  This seems to happen more often the later the season gets.

 

As far as this game went, despite my penchant for bitching about reffing, I had no issue with it until the closed hand on the puck in the crease was let go. There were a number of little things allowed for both sides, so I didn't feel the need to complain much. But that play was too obvious to let go, IMO.

 

You mean the one by Bernard-Docker? Yeah I missed that play during the game and caught a replay during intermission. I was curious about the rule ... I know they allow quite the latitude on that call but it was quite the distinctive move from in front of the net to around and beside it. I'm not sure he gets away with it if the game is closer. I would hope in that case it would be called but if it was closer I highly doubt he makes that play either. The players definitely know how the game is "managed".

Edited January 3 by Gawdzukes

[Lewlowned]

Does anyone know what happened to PDG?

 

I was at the game and noticed he disappeared, but never found out what happened

 

I don't remember a big hit or anything like that.

[Dr. Crossbar]

12 minutes ago, Kragar said:

The team likely woulda played harder if they weren't spanking them already.

 

Exactly this. Good perspective. Obviously they chose not to run up the scoreboard. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 hour ago, -dlc- said:

I feel bad, my kids went to the last game and it was a dud....wish they'd got to see this one instead.

 

BUT....they did win $200 bucks at the casino and that wouldn't have happened if they didn't go. So it kind of eased the pain of the loss.

 

I feel for your kids. That was a dud. Turkey hangover game. 

 

Nice upside with the $200.

[The Duke]

7 hours ago, Alflives said:

We dominated this game. Easy win.As for the Hawks, they made up for their misses with later round hits. Lots of picks. Benning, the moron, traded away those picks. Big mistake. 

Send are serious puck suckers. They should trade us Brady Tkatchuk. 

Point being, you can still build a winner with some mistakes along the way - whether you traded picks or miss on them.  Not to draw a comparison between us and Chicago.

 

We’ve found our money in different ways.  Draft:  Hughes, Petey, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander  Trade: Miller, Hronek, Garland, Zadorov, Lafferty and UFA: Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Joshua, Suter, Bleuger, Cole, Soucy

 

but what’s important is all those pieces are playing well and contributing.  Tougher to keep them all together without RFA deals but that’s Allvin’s job and he’s doing great so far. 

[AnthonyG]

8 hours ago, The Duke said:

It’s correct to say we made some bad draft choices, but it’s possible landing better players earlier on may have cost us Petey and Hughes.  Both of whom I’d prefer to Nylander/Ehlers or even Tkachuk.

Speaking of, if only we had drafted Tkachuk, we too could be paying Huberdeau 10.5 mil for the next 7 years.  I’m mostly joking, but that doesn’t look to be working out.

 

But yeah, maybe we already have a cup and are planning a dynasty.  Honestly. Who knows?  
 

I’m always shocked at how many terrible high picks Chicago had leading up to their literal dynasty.  I’m sure their fans lamented drafting Cam “egghead” Barker (3OA) Jack “chew through rope” Skille (7OA) Yakubov and Vorobiev (10 and 11 OA) Beach (11 OA - I know that stupid franchise is to blame there.) and other later picks.  
 

Not to pile on you for this comment - im on a tangent here.  Just reminds me that it goes to show that mistakes (at least non cap related mistakes) don’t “take away” as much as they simply don’t add to success. And it’s putting your positives together that get you somewhere in pro sports.  Can’t get too hung up on the misses.

10000000% people wanna bash picks with their 20/20 hindsight takes. Well take this 20/20 hindsight take. Tkachuk woulda cost us Petey and Hughes and then woulda fucked off to the states. Be happy JV and OJ did not have a positive impact on our standings.

Edited January 3 by AnthonyG

[Kragar]

25 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

You mean the one by Bernard-Docker? Yeah I missed that play during the game and caught a replay during intermission. I was curious about the rule ... I know they allow quite the latitude on that call but it was quite the distinctive move from in front of the net to around and beside it. I'm not sure he gets away with it if the game is closer. I would hope in that case it would be called but if it was closer I highly doubt he makes that play either. The players definitely know how the game is "managed".

Yep, that was the play. You can't close your hand on the puck when it is in the crease. By closing his thumb over and tossing the puck away, Bernard-Docker clearly seemed to violate the rule.

 

I'm sure it is just a reflex action, with the puck fluttering there. If he bats it away with his hand, all good. But the thumb, along with a big change in direction, that's the evidence they need for the call.

 

It was actually called in a recent game, perhaps in the last week or so. Can't remember the teams involved anymore (not a Canucks game).

 

I was far more upset about that than the slash on the breakaway that was let go.

Edited January 3 by Kragar

[AnthonyG]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

Edit:  Question, for the forum, who here actually predicted we'd be near the top of the league/West/Division early January?  As in before the season started.   Jeeze after the pre-season,  already thoughts of who is in the top five this year for draft picks, and what we can get for EP (ok that's still a thing).   And if they did, how much fun did the rest of us make of you for being such a homer?   

 

I predicted this team would be top 10 in the league and top 3 in the div before the season started. Ive been openly saying for a few seasons now just how good this team actually is and that the standings the last few seasons do not truly reflect what we have going on here. Ive argued countless times endlessly with posters about how close we are to competing/contending. I got chewed out and laughed at so many times, yet here we are. I also called Boeser breaking out this year TWO seasons ago.

[Kragar]

@Gawdzukes but it sure woulda been nice if Hogs scored on that play! It was nice to see him have the confidence to try something like that.

[Gawdzukes]

Just now, Kragar said:

@Gawdzukes but it sure woulda been nice if Hogs scored on that play! It was nice to see him have the confidence to try something like that.

 

Yeah that was super cool. Weighted it just perfect. Would have liked to see him try to swing around the net and knock in his own loft pass. It's a great sign that he's confident enough to pull that off with style.

[Alflives]

14 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

10000000% people wanna bash picks with their 20/20 hindsight takes. Well take this 20/20 hindsight take. Tkachuk woulda cost us Petey and Hughes and then woulda fucked off to the states. Be happy JV and OJ did not impact our standings.

Are you suggesting Benning picked two duds (Jake and OJ) on purpose because he wanted the club to stink so he could continue to draft high? 
Plus, Benning was forced to take Petey by Linden. Benning wanted Glass. 

[MattJVD]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

It probably is in consideration given how well our 3 young Swedes are showing at the WJs. 

 

If we're talking about an impact player in the 23-24 year old age range it would make sense.

 

So which bottom feeders has a big top 6 f they want to move?

Think the Sharks would give up Ferraro? Would give us a real #3 and someone to anchor the 2nd pair

[sassbs]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Are you suggesting Benning picked two duds (Jake and OJ) on purpose because he wanted the club to stink so he could continue to draft high? 
Plus, Benning was forced to take Petey by Linden. Benning wanted Glass. 

It’s why he prob resigned. He couldn’t take the BS!  

[AnthonyG]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Are you suggesting Benning picked two duds (Jake and OJ) on purpose because he wanted the club to stink so he could continue to draft high? 
Plus, Benning was forced to take Petey by Linden. Benning wanted Glass. 

No. Im just using your 20/20 hindsight against you. It didnt work out and in the end it worked out for the best. 
Also Benning started the job 5 weeks prior to the draft and trusted our scouting department. Aquaweenie wanted JV, McCann fell and we took BPA. Boston was actually worried we might take Pastrnak because it was JB who put their draft book together. Look at Bostons drafting, kinda funny their drafting disappeared immediately after 2014 and ours all of the sudden reappeared when JB was hired. Benning went from scouting and building a draft book in the bottom of the draft to the top of the draft in 5 weeks. 
OJ was the highest ranked dman and on average throughout the year was higher than every other dman. His final ranking was 6. We needed a dman at some point, one who could transition us up the ice with break out passes. The last 1st round drafted dman drafted was Bourdon, prior to that was Allen in ‘98. When do you expect to draft a dman that is your #1 if you never draft a dman, especially one who is ranked 1 spot below your position. It wasnt a grand leap of faith taking OJ, he was right in that area. It didnt work out largely due to injury/health. Thats just the way it goes some times. Theres a top 5 bust in almost every draft.

[Moeknows]

1 hour ago, Kragar said:

Yeah, Brady seemed invisible last night... love it!

Except when he mugged Petey

[Bob Long]

20 minutes ago, MattJVD said:

Think the Sharks would give up Ferraro? Would give us a real #3 and someone to anchor the 2nd pair

 

I think that they would, just don't know if he's worth a first.

[Captkirk888]

45 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

I predicted this team would be top 10 in the league and top 3 in the div before the season started. Ive been openly saying for a few seasons now just how good this team actually is and that the standings the last few seasons do not truly reflect what we have going on here. Ive argued countless times endlessly with posters about how close we are to competing/contending. I got chewed out and laughed at so many times, yet here we are. I also called Boeser breaking out this year TWO seasons ago.

Yah, me too……

[IBatch]

52 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

I predicted this team would be top 10 in the league and top 3 in the div before the season started. Ive been openly saying for a few seasons now just how good this team actually is and that the standings the last few seasons do not truly reflect what we have going on here. Ive argued countless times endlessly with posters about how close we are to competing/contending. I got chewed out and laughed at so many times, yet here we are. I also called Boeser breaking out this year TWO seasons ago.

You and I can find a room as far as Brock goes. 

 

26 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

No. Im just using your 20/20 hindsight against you. It didnt work out and in the end it worked out for the best. 
Also Benning started the job 5 weeks prior to the draft and trusted our scouting department. Aquaweenie wanted JV, McCann fell and we took BPA. Boston was actually worried we might take Pastrnak because it was JB who put their draft book together. Look at Bostons drafting, kinda funny their drafting disappeared immediately after 2014 and ours all of the sudden reappeared when JB was hired. Benning went from scouting and building a draft book in the bottom of the draft to the top of the draft in 5 weeks. 
OJ was the highest ranked dman and on average throughout the year was higher than every other dman. His final ranking was 6. We needed a dman at some point, one who could transition us up the ice with break out passes. The last 1st round drafted dman drafted was Bourdon, prior to that was Allen in ‘98. When do you expect to draft a dman that is your #1 if you never draft a dman, especially one who is ranked 1 spot below your position. It wasnt a grand leap of faith taking OJ, he was right in that area. It didnt work out largely due to injury/health. Thats just the way it goes some times. Theres a top 5 bust in almost every draft.

I left the room when I saw this because OJ wasn't even part of the first round discussion until the WJ's.  Chychrun was considered a possible first overall the year before that draft and look at who he was competing against.   OJ had a high floor.   That's about it.   JB wasn't a great GM, and he wasn't nearly as terrible as some try to make him out to be.  Even JR/Allvin has said they could see what JB was doing and gave him props.  Some posters need to cut out the worst GM in history crap pretty quick.   If we do something this post season, they will look stupid as F.    Same posters do it with MG.  What did he do ?  All the Burkie cap came off the books, and almost destroyed it before it started with a 18% cap hit 10 mill x 2 with Sundin.   Yikes.   I'd of taken Sakic if he was available first too.   
 

Point is I think i'd rather have kept Nonis.  We needed a new GM @AnthonyG .   Different circumstances, i'd be scared if JB was still running this org.  

Edited January 3 by IBatch

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

You and I can find a room as far as Brock goes. 

 

I left the room when I saw this because OJ wasn't even part of the first round discussion until the WJ's.  Chychrun was considered a possible first overall the year before that draft and look at who he was competing against.   OJ had a high floor.   That's about it.   JB wasn't a great GM, and he wasn't nearly as terrible as some try to make him out to be.  Even JR/Allvin has said they could see what JB was doing and gave him props.  Some posters need to cut out the worst GM in history crap pretty quick.   If we do something this post season, they will look stupid as F.    Same posters do it with MG.  What did he do ?  All the Burkie cap came off the books, and almost destroyed it before it started with a 18% cap hit 10 mill x 2 with Sundin.   Yikes.   I'd of taken Sakic if he was available first too. 

It’s not arguable fact that Gillis was President and GM during our club’s best era. We can argue about where Benning fits into the whole worst GM ever. 

[Canadian_Kanga]

Just scootin' in to say .... woohoo!

 

Simple I is, enjoy the win, I do.