canucks curse Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 650/Irfan/Friedman, saying canucks trying to move out multiple players.. Milky and Garland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, canucks curse said: 650/Irfan/Friedman, saying canucks trying to move out multiple players.. Milky and Garland If we move Mik we will need to take back equivalent cap. We should be able to move off all of Garland’s cap, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 59 minutes ago, Alflives said: If we move Mik we will need to take back equivalent cap. We should be able to move off all of Garland’s cap, no? I think Mik has value at 3.25m. Nucks could trade him with 1.50m retention. Or full salary along with Hogs. I could see a rebuilding team liking this trade. Garland has full value, so he can be traded for similar value or part of a lesser or bigger trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettlevalley Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 14 hours ago, higgyfan said: I think Mik has value at 3.25m. Nucks could trade him with 1.50m retention. Or full salary along with Hogs. I could see a rebuilding team liking this trade. Garland has full value, so he can be traded for similar value or part of a lesser or bigger trade. I personally don't see the appetite to dismantle what mostly works really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 16 minutes ago, kettlevalley said: I personally don't see the appetite to dismantle what mostly works really well. making space to keep a strong d, while also being able to add in someone elite like Guentzel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Mik is a great 3rd line checker with scoring upside as he heals. Could be a good risk for some team. Especially if we retain 1M and add a 5th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettlevalley Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 5 hours ago, Bob Long said: making space to keep a strong d, while also being able to add in someone elite like Guentzel You don't make space by trading away your competitive advantage though. The 3rd line was why we won games last year. Hronek balancing the top end of the D was why we dominated many games. Yet I see guys wanting to deal Garland. Deal Hronek. And those same people wanting a veteran #6 defender instead of a promoting a prospect. I am saying a Mik bluegar Garland third line will be a competitive advantage similar to what we had last year. Save money on the 3rd pair, the 4th line and backup goalie by promoting our best prospects and utilizing Juulsen on the 3rd pair with another young guy. Signing Myers for 3m for the second pair with Soucy. Then spend on Hronek and a winger for Petey. So Suter Miller Boeser New Petey Hogs Mik blue gar Pods Aman Bains/Karlsson Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Wolanin Juulsen Demko Silovs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 42 minutes ago, kettlevalley said: You don't make space by trading away your competitive advantage though. The 3rd line was why we won games last year. Hronek balancing the top end of the D was why we dominated many games. Yet I see guys wanting to deal Garland. Deal Hronek. And those same people wanting a veteran #6 defender instead of a promoting a prospect. I am saying a Mik bluegar Garland third line will be a competitive advantage similar to what we had last year. Save money on the 3rd pair, the 4th line and backup goalie by promoting our best prospects and utilizing Juulsen on the 3rd pair with another young guy. Signing Myers for 3m for the second pair with Soucy. Then spend on Hronek and a winger for Petey. So Suter Miller Boeser New Petey Hogs Mik blue gar Pods Aman Bains/Karlsson Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Wolanin Juulsen Demko Silovs. Not if it means 7 or 8M for Hronek Too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettlevalley Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 34 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Not if it means 7 or 8M for Hronek Too much I just dont understand. We knew this when he was acquired. And he had more positive effect then anyone anticipated. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 20 minutes ago, kettlevalley said: I just dont understand. We knew this when he was acquired. And he had more positive effect then anyone anticipated. But didn't produce when it counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, kettlevalley said: You don't make space by trading away your competitive advantage though. The 3rd line was why we won games last year. Hronek balancing the top end of the D was why we dominated many games. Yet I see guys wanting to deal Garland. Deal Hronek. And those same people wanting a veteran #6 defender instead of a promoting a prospect. I am saying a Mik bluegar Garland third line will be a competitive advantage similar to what we had last year. Save money on the 3rd pair, the 4th line and backup goalie by promoting our best prospects and utilizing Juulsen on the 3rd pair with another young guy. Signing Myers for 3m for the second pair with Soucy. Then spend on Hronek and a winger for Petey. So Suter Miller Boeser New Petey Hogs Mik blue gar Pods Aman Bains/Karlsson Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Wolanin Juulsen Demko Silovs. Id rather trade or buyout Mik to be able to keep big Z in that lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettlevalley Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 11 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: But didn't produce when it counted. Nor did Demko.....are we gonna roast him too? And he is who ended our cup run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 19 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: But didn't produce when it counted. Again another guy who was playing injured. Winning in the playoffs requires a great team and good fortune. The Soilers were fortunate we didn’t have Demko, Petey was on one leg, and Hronek was dinged up. Let’s take McWhiner out of the lineup, and have Dryercycle on one keg and Bouchard dinged up and see how they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, kettlevalley said: Nor did Demko.....are we gonna roast him too? And he is who ended our cup run. I would like to see what DeSmith vould have done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Dakota Joshua’s excellent north-south game could see him head east next season. The 28-year-old winger had a breakout season with the Vancouver Canucks in 2023-24, scoring 18 goals and 32 points in 63 games while leading the Canucks in hits and playing a significant role on the penalty kill. He formed a partnership with Conor Garland on the third line that had them both playing like top-six forwards. At a cap hit of just $825,000, Joshua was one of the biggest bargains in the NHL last season outside of players on entry-level contracts. But Joshua won’t be a bargain much longer, as he’s a pending unrestricted free agent (UFA) due for a big raise. "We'll find the net Dakota Joshua here for the coaches to work with" When asked about Joshua, as well as his fellow sizeable pending free agents Tyler Myers and Nikita Zadorov, Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin said, “We want to keep all those guys,” but had some caveats. “For me, it’s not about giving one guy all the money, it’s about finding ways to be competitive and finding ways to have players that are able to improve, as we saw this year,” said Allvin. “Dakota came in here highly recommended by my staff and we have seen him over the two years take steps. “We’ll find the next Dakota Joshua here for the coaches to work with. I’m confident in my staff to be able to provide the right personnel for Rick and his coaches to work with and be successful moving forward.” There was an underlying understanding in Allvin’s words that the Canucks might not be able to keep Joshua. The Canucks only have so much cap space to go around and may want to allocate that space to a more impactful, high-end player at the top of their lineup rather than someone like Joshua in the middle of their lineup. After his breakout season, Joshua will be a hot commodity if he gets to free agency on July 1. AFP Analytics projects a four-year contract with a cap hit of around $3.25 million, which would already be a stretch for the Canucks to incorporate into their cap picture, but his unique player profile could see him get even more money on the open market. Could Dakota Joshua get $4 million or more in free agency? Joshua profiles similarly to Brandon Tanev, who in 2019 got a six-year contract with a cap hit of $3.5 million per year from the Pittsburgh Penguins under Jim Rutherford. That’s equivalent to around $3.78 million under next season’s $88 million salary cap. But it’s possible that Joshua could get even more than that in free agency. Sportsnet 650’s Satiar Shah shared what he was hearing in regards to Joshua and the Detroit Red Wings. “I heard that a team like Detroit might be really hot on his heels and they may be willing to go $4+ for him,” said Shah. “I don’t know how true that is, right, but if these are the things that Dakota Joshua’s camp is hearing…why do you think he’s not signing for what the Canucks are offering him?” In other words, if rumours of teams willing to offer him $4 million are reaching the ears of Joshua’s agent, it would make perfect sense for Joshua to test free agency to see if those offers actually materialize. Joshua hails from Dearborn, Michigan, which is part of Metro Detroit, after all. Maybe he would welcome a return home. If $3.25 million was already a stretch for the Canucks, going over $4 million is right out. Allvin is right: the trick is to find the next Dakota Joshua. That doesn’t mean finding a similar player to who Joshua is now but a one similar to who Joshua was then: a player you can pay near league minimum who grows into a much more impactful role than that contract would suggest. But that’s easier said than done. Joshua had played just 42 games in the NHL, primarily as a fourth-line, by the time he joined the Canucks at the age of 26. It’s rare for a player like that to blossom into an everyday NHLer, let alone an impactful middle-six forward. Heck, in the 2019-20 season, just three years before he joined the Canucks, Joshua was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL, giving little indication that he had an NHL future at all. Joshua only caught the attention of the Canucks when he played six games for the Utica Comets during the COVID-shortened 2020-21 season when the Canucks and St. Louis Blues combined their AHL rosters. That’s a pretty strange set of circumstances that brought Joshua to the Canucks’ attention. So, how do you find the next Dakota Joshua? Looking for the next Dakota Joshua among the Group 6 UFAs One place to look for the next Joshua is among the Group 6 UFAs, which Joshua was when the Canucks signed him in 2022. A player becomes a Group 6 UFA by fulfilling the following conditions: they have to be 25 or older, played at least three professional seasons, and have played under 80 NHL games. This form of unrestricted free agency is designed so that players who are not getting an opportunity to play in the NHL are not trapped by their current NHL team. It might be a place to look for a player who deserves a chance to prove himself. Signing a Group 6 UFA isn’t the only way that Allvin could find the next Joshua, of course. Allvin could aim to trade for an unappreciated player, sign restricted free agent whose team doesn’t qualify him, or sign an undrafted free agent. But still, Group 6 UFAs are a good place to start. There are 52 Group 6 UFAs heading to free agency in 2024 but just 14 played at least one game in the NHL last season and just 11 of those are forwards. Here are those 14 players because who says the next Dakota Joshua can’t be a defenceman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixonWard Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I like Joshua a lot. Great story, good player. However, this happens all the time in the NHL. A journeyman has a great season because of a confluence of factors such as lineages, coaching, systems, etc... and then everybody says he's worth 5 times what he was a year ago. Rarely are those contracts good ones. I want him back, but I hope we don't overpay for a 3rd line player. This could hurt us more than it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) Joshua's gonna get paid, starting with a $4. Really too bad, he's a special player - size, physical, can skate and can score some beautiful goals. Maybe with Joshua leaving, so goes his little buddy Garland. Ahh the curse of Basant Motors. Would really like to get a few guys like Stephenson, Martinook and Duhaime into that bottom 6. Edited June 20 by Nucker67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 That 3rd line saved our bacon so many times this past season. Not just the goals but the puck pressure and gaining and holding the zone. Ultra high compete guys on that 3rd line did it for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 11 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: That 3rd line saved our bacon so many times this past season. Not just the goals but the puck pressure and gaining and holding the zone. Ultra high compete guys on that 3rd line did it for us. They sure were a great line, but next season, that same line will cost +$10m. I just don't see how they can fit that in a tight salary cap. If Dak is waiting for a $4m payday, he'll have to find it on another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 6/12/2024 at 9:21 AM, Rip The Mesh said: Dakota Joshua’s excellent north-south game could see him head east next season. The 28-year-old winger had a breakout season with the Vancouver Canucks in 2023-24, scoring 18 goals and 32 points in 63 games while leading the Canucks in hits and playing a significant role on the penalty kill. He formed a partnership with Conor Garland on the third line that had them both playing like top-six forwards. At a cap hit of just $825,000, Joshua was one of the biggest bargains in the NHL last season outside of players on entry-level contracts. But Joshua won’t be a bargain much longer, as he’s a pending unrestricted free agent (UFA) due for a big raise. "We'll find the net Dakota Joshua here for the coaches to work with" When asked about Joshua, as well as his fellow sizeable pending free agents Tyler Myers and Nikita Zadorov, Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin said, “We want to keep all those guys,” but had some caveats. “For me, it’s not about giving one guy all the money, it’s about finding ways to be competitive and finding ways to have players that are able to improve, as we saw this year,” said Allvin. “Dakota came in here highly recommended by my staff and we have seen him over the two years take steps. “We’ll find the next Dakota Joshua here for the coaches to work with. I’m confident in my staff to be able to provide the right personnel for Rick and his coaches to work with and be successful moving forward.” There was an underlying understanding in Allvin’s words that the Canucks might not be able to keep Joshua. The Canucks only have so much cap space to go around and may want to allocate that space to a more impactful, high-end player at the top of their lineup rather than someone like Joshua in the middle of their lineup. After his breakout season, Joshua will be a hot commodity if he gets to free agency on July 1. AFP Analytics projects a four-year contract with a cap hit of around $3.25 million, which would already be a stretch for the Canucks to incorporate into their cap picture, but his unique player profile could see him get even more money on the open market. Could Dakota Joshua get $4 million or more in free agency? Joshua profiles similarly to Brandon Tanev, who in 2019 got a six-year contract with a cap hit of $3.5 million per year from the Pittsburgh Penguins under Jim Rutherford. That’s equivalent to around $3.78 million under next season’s $88 million salary cap. But it’s possible that Joshua could get even more than that in free agency. Sportsnet 650’s Satiar Shah shared what he was hearing in regards to Joshua and the Detroit Red Wings. “I heard that a team like Detroit might be really hot on his heels and they may be willing to go $4+ for him,” said Shah. “I don’t know how true that is, right, but if these are the things that Dakota Joshua’s camp is hearing…why do you think he’s not signing for what the Canucks are offering him?” In other words, if rumours of teams willing to offer him $4 million are reaching the ears of Joshua’s agent, it would make perfect sense for Joshua to test free agency to see if those offers actually materialize. Joshua hails from Dearborn, Michigan, which is part of Metro Detroit, after all. Maybe he would welcome a return home. If $3.25 million was already a stretch for the Canucks, going over $4 million is right out. Allvin is right: the trick is to find the next Dakota Joshua. That doesn’t mean finding a similar player to who Joshua is now but a one similar to who Joshua was then: a player you can pay near league minimum who grows into a much more impactful role than that contract would suggest. But that’s easier said than done. Joshua had played just 42 games in the NHL, primarily as a fourth-line, by the time he joined the Canucks at the age of 26. It’s rare for a player like that to blossom into an everyday NHLer, let alone an impactful middle-six forward. Heck, in the 2019-20 season, just three years before he joined the Canucks, Joshua was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL, giving little indication that he had an NHL future at all. Joshua only caught the attention of the Canucks when he played six games for the Utica Comets during the COVID-shortened 2020-21 season when the Canucks and St. Louis Blues combined their AHL rosters. That’s a pretty strange set of circumstances that brought Joshua to the Canucks’ attention. So, how do you find the next Dakota Joshua? Looking for the next Dakota Joshua among the Group 6 UFAs One place to look for the next Joshua is among the Group 6 UFAs, which Joshua was when the Canucks signed him in 2022. A player becomes a Group 6 UFA by fulfilling the following conditions: they have to be 25 or older, played at least three professional seasons, and have played under 80 NHL games. This form of unrestricted free agency is designed so that players who are not getting an opportunity to play in the NHL are not trapped by their current NHL team. It might be a place to look for a player who deserves a chance to prove himself. Signing a Group 6 UFA isn’t the only way that Allvin could find the next Joshua, of course. Allvin could aim to trade for an unappreciated player, sign restricted free agent whose team doesn’t qualify him, or sign an undrafted free agent. But still, Group 6 UFAs are a good place to start. There are 52 Group 6 UFAs heading to free agency in 2024 but just 14 played at least one game in the NHL last season and just 11 of those are forwards. Here are those 14 players because who says the next Dakota Joshua can’t be a defenceman? Brett Murray - cheap and very intriguing how he could develop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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