HorvatToBaertschi Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Isn't Guentzel fairly injury prone? If we're trying to capitalize on our window, he doesn't seem like the type of player to take a chance on and spend a 1st round pick + on as well. He does make the top 6 look incredibly deep and strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Isn't Guentzel fairly injury prone? If we're trying to capitalize on our window, he doesn't seem like the type of player to take a chance on and spend a 1st round pick + on as well. He does make the top 6 look incredibly deep and strong. fairly injury prone? other than the covid shortened season.. he hardly missed any games in his career. Edited January 4 by wai_lai416 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 15 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: Dhali can probably mention any name in the NHL linked to the Canucks and suddenly everyone believes a trade is happening. To his credit, though, Dhali is usually right about things. Guentzel would be great to have on the Canucks, but at what cost? Is he the missing link? I'm not sure. I'd offer Kuzmenko, McDonough and a 2nd (2025). PIT would likely decline, and that would be fine. That would be a good trade. I wouldn't include hogs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 And I keep forgetting we have Podkolzin marinating in the AHL... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 IMO a defenseman like Hughes/Hronek would be real nice to have in case of injury to the top pair, to carry/elevate the 2nd pairing, and to help mentor one of our up and coming defense prospects. We aren’t having trouble scoring goals and have a gluttonous amount of forwards on the cusp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I'm very much against paying a high price for a rental, and given his production, I don't think he'd be affordable to re-sign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 As awesome as this sounds. This would to detrimental to our future. Would be the most expensive rental on the market. I would prefer to not go down this route this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Hmm...I really hesitate on the idea of a rental. Though in some sense it does really feel like this is a big chance year, given all our expiring contracts, it also feels unlikely that we make a huge run so long outside of the playoffs. Even the 2020 playoffs were already four years ago and we haven't sniffed the playoff since. I'd be surprised if we made it past the second round, even with the buying of rentals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando27 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I dunno feel like this isn't the year to go all in and pick up a rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Guentzel would complete the top 6 and put us over the top. If you add another 40-goal scorer at the deadline to this team it would become the Stanley Cup favourites. Add a bottom 6 forward to the group who can play tough playoff hockey like a Yakov Trenin or Sammy Blais and we are pretty much done. The question becomes what is the cost to acquire Guentzel if he becomes available? I'm guessing it would be our 2025 1st plus Hoglander at minimum... Yeah, our 1st definitely would be gone. But if we make the playoffs and make a run, that 1st is going to be a mid to late first, no? That's probably worth it. But then you have also give up Höglander, but he doesn't seem to be breaking out just yet. He could probably eventually turn into a 20 goal scorer. For me, the question is whether or not this is the season for management to go all in. If we acquire Guentzel, do we become Cup contenders, let alone Cup favourites? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 14 minutes ago, Mando27 said: I dunno feel like this isn't the year to go all in and pick up a rental. I think we'd need a contract extension if we acquire him. Would be a bad trade if we give up our 1st and Höglander only for Guentzel to walk in free agency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 24 minutes ago, Master Mind said: I'm very much against paying a high price for a rental, and given his production, I don't think he'd be affordable to re-sign. not as a UFA, and how would we get a defenseman in the off-season as well. Can we afford players like Guentzel and Pesce (if we're needing another top four?). A part of me says we likely don't have cap room, as we struggle as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando27 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, N4ZZY said: I think we'd need a contract extension if we acquire him. Would be a bad trade if we give up our 1st and Höglander only for Guentzel to walk in free agency. Agreed, also wouldn't wanna give up Hogz to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Am I the only one who thinks adding Guentzel would be a mistake? I don't even mean so much the cost which would be far too much. We are building a playoff team not an all star team. This just compounds the Kuzmenko, Brock issue. We cant have 3 guys all vyng for 1 spot. We need a pwf not JG. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 43 minutes ago, Bob Long said: That would be a good trade. I wouldn't include hogs. Yeah, I wouldn't include Höglander in the deal either. If they take that proposed trade of Kuzmenko (27 years old), a 2nd and McDonough, then I'd pull the trigger. But what is Pittsburgh getting in that deal? A player that scored almost 40 goals, a 2nd (do we even have that this year?), and a prospect that probably doesn't make it to the NHL. That deal doesn't help them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Just now, Mando27 said: Agreed, also wouldn't wanna give up Hogz to begin with. Me neither. But that's probably what Pitts is asking for to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jeremy Hronek said: Assuming that would be true: Mikheyev-Pettersson-Kuzmenko Guentzel-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Bluegar-Garland PDG-Suter-Lafferty Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Myers Cole-Soucy Demko DeSmith Have to think Kuzmenko+ would be going the other way. This could make a lot of sense for PIT... Kuz is locked in for the same time frame as Crosby. They get a replacement scoring winger (plus), without having to lock in to long term cap risk... The Canucks in return get a clear top 6 upgrade. This could have legit legs. Edited January 4 by aGENT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Hammertime said: Am I the only one who thinks adding Guentzel would be a mistake? I don't even mean so much the cost which would be far too much. We are building a playoff team not an all star team. This just compounds the Kuzmenko, Brock issue. We cant have 3 guys all vyng for 1 spot. We need a pwf not JG. Guentzel is also a proven playoff performer isn't he? Kuzmenko and Brock, while good players, aren't playoff producers yet, and we don't know if they can produce in the postseason, while Guentzel has proven that he can. What's that worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Just now, aGENT said: Have to think Kuzmenko+ would be going the other way. This could make a lot of sense for PIT... Kuz is locked in for the same time frame as Crosby. They get a replacement scoring winger (plus), without having to pick in to long term cap risk... The Canucks in return get a clear top 6 upgrade. This could have legit legs. Kuzmenko while I'd be sad to see go, I can see a scenario where Rutherford and Allvin give him up to get Guentzel. But I don't like the fact that he'd walk in a couple of months, and we'd be left without a 1st (I'm assuming that's probably part of the package for Guentzel). If we're going to part with our 2024 1st, then it better (at least for me) be for a player that is here with term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Am I the only one who thinks adding Guentzel would be a mistake? I don't even mean so much the cost which would be far too much. We are building a playoff team not an all star team. This just compounds the Kuzmenko, Brock issue. We cant have 3 guys all vyng for 1 spot. We need a pwf not JG. Guentzel is a pretty sizeable upgrade on Kuzmenko, who despite his size, knows how to play the "right way". He's also faster and plays LW, not RW like Brock. Kuzmenko would also almost certainly be going the other way. So no, not 3 guys vying for the same spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: Kuzmenko while I'd be sad to see go, I can see a scenario where Rutherford and Allvin give him up to get Guentzel. But I don't like the fact that he'd walk in a couple of months, and we'd be left without a 1st (I'm assuming that's probably part of the package for Guentzel). If we're going to part with our 2024 1st, then it better (at least for me) be for a player that is here with term. I'd imagine we'd be extending him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, Coryberg said: I would call this speculation instead of a rumour. The Penguins are 2 points out of a playoff spot right now. It could be a possibility in a month or so if the penguins start to tank but definitely no time soon. Not only that, but the cost would be hefty even if he were available Hard to imagine him being moved and a top prospect+ not going the other way He's also due for a sizeable raise It's also hard to see the Pens packing it in while Crosby et all. are still present, they'll be wanting competitive pieces Edited January 4 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando27 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Have to think Kuzmenko+ would be going the other way. This could make a lot of sense for PIT... Kuz is locked in for the same time frame as Crosby. They get a replacement scoring winger (plus), without having to lock in to long term cap risk... The Canucks in return get a clear top 6 upgrade. This could have legit legs. As much as I would dislike giving up on Kuzmenko your probably right. I could see management doing something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Not sure Jake is really what we need. 6 mill per and headed way up so that we'd also have to deal with. Doesn't seem like a logical thing to do, not even as a rental for the playoffs. Everyone can see his stats. The one thing I've been pleased with in our new regime is they've been responsible. We are pretty much at our Cap limit now. Personally I'd like to see what our current group can do in the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Guentzel for Kuz and a 1st and a B prospect could make sense for both sides. I would be loath to give up Hoglander as well need the cheap contracts in the upcoming years. Dubie gets some value for Guentzel, keeps a high skill winger for his old core but avoids signing Guentzel well past Crosby / Malkin / Letang’s contracts. We obviously get a high skill prime winger with cup and playoff experience. JR/Allvin would vouch for him and everything they’ve touched has turned to gold so far. Edited January 4 by The Duke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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