NHL97OneTimer Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 1/28/2024 at 11:11 AM, flickyoursedin said: Really like Guentzal but I hope this isn’t the direction they go to spend their trade chips. We’re fine on winger depth but we could use another center or a RHD would be nice. If they get a good 4th line center who's good at faceoffs, they could try bumping Hogs up to see how he does instead of Mikheyev or Suter. It would be the cheaper route and I think Hogs will get there at some point anyway. Having puck possession more often will be the key though and our fourth line FO% is weak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 18 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said: If they get a good 4th line center who's good at faceoffs, they could try bumping Hogs up to see how he does instead of Mikheyev or Suter. It would be the cheaper route and I think Hogs will get there at some point anyway. Having puck possession more often will be the key though and our fourth line FO% is weak. Definitely get on board with a decent 4th line center addition. That should only cost like a 4th or 5th round pick. We just can’t afford another huge top 6 addition especially a winger at that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjickwillkillyou Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 With Bleugs being due for a raise after this season, why not go after Bjugstad for 4C or even a winger who can move from 1-4 as needed since he has one more year at a reasonable cap hit (2.85). I bet we could get him for something like Hirose and a 3rd or 4th or straight up for Miky. He is the type of big C you need in the POs who can also PK and a Minnesota boy who is very close to Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bane Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Guentzel cap hit will 1.2 million by the trade deadline while Canucks will have 1.8 million in cap space. I think he's the primary target for Canucks to go all-in and if they do acquire him, will be the piece that pushes them to Cup contender. Guentzel-Miller-Boeser Mikheyev-Pettersson-Lindholm Joshua-Blueger-Garland Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty That is a ridiculously deep line-up that can match up with any other contender. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) Guentzel may not be going anywhere, this could throw a wrench into things if the Pens were considering moving him Although it's not a long-term health issue It certainly hurts their playoff hopes, which may actually make a trade more likely Edited February 15 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Guentzel may not be going anywhere, this could throw a wrench into things if the Pens were considering moving him Although it's not a long-term health issue you don't have to worry about your asset getting hurt if he already is. can't imagine it'll hurt demand too much if he's expected back in mid-march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, tas said: you don't have to worry about your asset getting hurt if he already is. can't imagine it'll hurt demand too much if he's expected back in mid-march. You're not wrong, it just means he's less useful to teams who may be seeking more immediate help A team who's more established higher up in the standings probably doesn't worry about it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/8/2024 at 10:14 AM, Bane said: Guentzel cap hit will 1.2 million by the trade deadline while Canucks will have 1.8 million in cap space. I think he's the primary target for Canucks to go all-in and if they do acquire him, will be the piece that pushes them to Cup contender. Guentzel-Miller-Boeser Mikheyev-Pettersson-Lindholm Joshua-Blueger-Garland Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty That is a ridiculously deep line-up that can match up with any other contender. what would it cost to acquire Guentzel, though? It's going to be costly, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 8 hours ago, Coconuts said: Guentzel may not be going anywhere, this could throw a wrench into things if the Pens were considering moving him Although it's not a long-term health issue It certainly hurts their playoff hopes, which may actually make a trade more likely I wonder if this lessens the asking price for an injured player? Damaged goods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combover Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 So he could be acquired and be “injured” till the playoffs and have a zero cap hit. brilliant his value just went up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 8 hours ago, N4ZZY said: I wonder if this lessens the asking price for an injured player? Damaged goods? It's a short term injury so I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I know it's Pagnotta but we're apparently still in on Guentzel with a couple of other teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, Pears said: I know it's Pagnotta but we're apparently still in on Guentzel with a couple of other teams the canucks would love to get their hands on mcdavid and makar, too, but it doesn't mean they're in on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2852626/report-golden-knights-canucks-among-several-teams-eyeing-guentzel A deep group of playoff contenders have Pittsburgh Penguins star Jake Guentzel on their radars leading up to the trade deadline. The Vegas Golden Knights, Vancouver Canucks, Edmonton Oilers, Carolina Hurricanes, and Florida Panthers are among the teams that have expressed interest in the pending unrestricted free agent, according to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman. Guentzel would be arguably the biggest name available for this year's trade season, but the Penguins haven't made it clear if he's on the block. General manager Kyle Dubas is reportedly listening to trade offers for all non-core players as Pittsburgh fights for a playoff spot. The club is nine points back of both a wild-card and divisional seed with 28 games remaining. Dubas shut down rumors involving Guentzel in January, saying all trade talk was "pure speculation." Guentzel was sidelined for up to four weeks on Feb. 15 with an upper-body injury, halting a terrific season in which he's racked up 52 points in 50 games on Pittsburgh's top line. The 29-year-old is a two-time 40-goal scorer and has 58 points in 58 career playoff contests to go with a Stanley Cup in 2017. He currently carries a $6-million cap hit and is expected to land a notable raise on his next deal. The trade deadline is March 8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Coconuts said: https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2852626/report-golden-knights-canucks-among-several-teams-eyeing-guentzel A deep group of playoff contenders have Pittsburgh Penguins star Jake Guentzel on their radars leading up to the trade deadline. The Vegas Golden Knights, Vancouver Canucks, Edmonton Oilers, Carolina Hurricanes, and Florida Panthers are among the teams that have expressed interest in the pending unrestricted free agent, according to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman. Guentzel would be arguably the biggest name available for this year's trade season, but the Penguins haven't made it clear if he's on the block. General manager Kyle Dubas is reportedly listening to trade offers for all non-core players as Pittsburgh fights for a playoff spot. The club is nine points back of both a wild-card and divisional seed with 28 games remaining. Dubas shut down rumors involving Guentzel in January, saying all trade talk was "pure speculation." Guentzel was sidelined for up to four weeks on Feb. 15 with an upper-body injury, halting a terrific season in which he's racked up 52 points in 50 games on Pittsburgh's top line. The 29-year-old is a two-time 40-goal scorer and has 58 points in 58 career playoff contests to go with a Stanley Cup in 2017. He currently carries a $6-million cap hit and is expected to land a notable raise on his next deal. The trade deadline is March 8. He's gonna end up in Vegas cuz they've thrown their big cap hits onto LTIR to make it work. Expect Guentzel and a higher tier defenceman to end up in Vegas. Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: He's gonna end up in Vegas cuz they've thrown their big cap hits onto LTIR to make it work. Expect Guentzel and a higher tier defenceman to end up in Vegas. Absolutely ridiculous. Probs, I don't see us being willing to pay for him either whereas Vegas probably does to try and repeat Which is fine, I'm not interested in us giving up more top tier assets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_Nuck Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Probs, I don't see us being willing to pay for him either whereas Vegas probably does to try and repeat Which is fine, I'm not interested in us giving up more top tier assets Which is usually the difference between the cup and maybe the second round. And after the last 10 seasons of no playoffs, I’m okay with making it to the second round this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, Northern_Nuck said: Which is usually the difference between the cup and maybe the second round. And after the last 10 seasons of no playoffs, I’m okay with making it to the second round this year. Cinderella runs are rare anyway, I'm not interested in going "all-in" Let em run with what they have, maybe make some depth additions, and just get some playoff experience Just making the playoffs makes the season a success given how frequently we've missed, maybe over the next season or two I'll up my expectations if they show they can be a playoff regular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 29 minutes ago, HKSR said: He's gonna end up in Vegas cuz they've thrown their big cap hits onto LTIR to make it work. Expect Guentzel and a higher tier defenceman to end up in Vegas. Absolutely ridiculous. Vegas can't top us in prospects we can offer tho. They do have just over 6 mil in LTIR for sure, but who are they going to offer to Dubie to make it work? We could probably wake Dubas up with 2/3 of Podz, Ratu and Hog's. I'd want an extension in place first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) I’m not necessarily confident that Guentzel will be the same player playing in a different system without Crosby. I hope we aren’t targeting him and instead pick up another 4/5 Dman and a depth F that maybe can play utility and is solid two way. if we do go all in, and EP ends up wanting to walk through to RFA/UFA and is eventually traded, we will need the cap space that an extended Guentzel will take up to be allocated to finding younger replacement players than him. This is why I think mgmt is covering the bases quite well. We are taking our shot while also establishing a potentially large cap space safety net for any roster turnover that might come after our short term window expires and should our 2 high end RFAs price themselves out of range. Edited February 25 by RWJC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/15/2024 at 6:48 PM, Coconuts said: You're not wrong, it just means he's less useful to teams who may be seeking more immediate help A team who's more established higher up in the standings probably doesn't worry about it That's why Nux is doing the Kessel thing. They have time for him to get assessed by TDL to decide if they want him as a depth forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bardown Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, Jaimito said: Who says no? Pittsburgh does 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwarrior Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Northern_Nuck said: Which is usually the difference between the cup and maybe the second round. And after the last 10 seasons of no playoffs, I’m okay with making it to the second round this year. I'd be happy with getting to the 2nd round. As for Dubas not being clear if Guentzel is on the block or not, either shit or get off the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/8/2024 at 7:54 AM, Odjickwillkillyou said: With Bleugs being due for a raise after this season, why not go after Bjugstad for 4C or even a winger who can move from 1-4 as needed since he has one more year at a reasonable cap hit (2.85). I bet we could get him for something like Hirose and a 3rd or 4th or straight up for Miky. He is the type of big C you need in the POs who can also PK and a Minnesota boy who is very close to Brock. Because Blueger is better and should be a focus of one of the UFAs the Canucks bring back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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