DeNiro Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: I’d prefer just Lindholm tbh Yep. Too much tinkering and looks panicky to the rest of the players. You know he would immediately find his game in Boston too… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksNation Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Hope they flip Lindy. Better not trade Hoggy, I prefer him over Pettersson lol. Edited March 5 by NucksNation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: And joining the team mid roadtrip with virtually no practice time will lead to that, I’d hope they have more foresight than to write him off on such a small sample size. Beyond dumb. I'd also take Lindholm ... imagine a scenario of Game 7 of a 3-2 hockey game, Canucks short handed and lead with 20 seconds remaining, face-off on the dot to the right of Demko. Who's going in for the draw? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: Marc McLaughlin, like Podz/Bains was recently called up in BOS (and scored in his first game up)... wonder if he'd qualify as one of the lesser "near ready prospects". That'd be a bit of a stretch imo, he'll be 25 in July and the pedigree ain't there as an undrafted guy, his point totals don't blow anyone away either I'll spitball though To Vancouver Guentzel To Boston Lindholm To Pittsburgh Vancouver 2025 1st Jake DeBrusk (who is later flipped) Fabian Lysell D Petey Boston 2025 3rd Pittsburgh takes the cap to make it work in Debrusk, instead of Boston paying Vancouver they end up paying Pittsburgh to take DeBrusk and to bring the overall cost down for Van Both Guentzel and Lindholm sign extensions, DeBrusk's 4M going out covers the Lindholm extension Edited March 5 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeknows Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, cripplereh said: This group will not pull a Benning and let players walk. Best thing for Brock is to be signed or traded.His cap hit sucks so trading should be the best bet by next season. The draft would be the best time,or Garland as we can't afford to keep everyone and need to make room for others coming up. What doesn't make sense to you???? I don't get trading BB. Based on his season his Cap doesn't suck. I for one believe he has overcome the physical and personal issues from the previous couple of years and will be a 30+ goal scorer for the next few years and he only just turned 27. I would like to see him reigned for 4 more years if they can do it for around his current cap hit and without any no trade clauses just to hedge bets. Garland sure if they can geyt an up grade,,but unlikely as things stand now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: That'd be a bit of a stretch imo, he'll be 25 in July and the pedigree ain't there as an undrafted guy, his point totals don't blow anyone away either I'll spitball though To Vancouver Guentzel To Boston Lindholm To Pittsburgh Vancouver 2025 1st Jake DeBrusk (who is later flipped) Fabian Lysell D Petey Boston 2025 3rd Pittsburgh takes the cap to make it work in Debrusk, instead of Boston paying Vancouver they end up paying Pittsburgh to take DeBrusk and to bring the overall cost down for Van I think that's a bit too much. Pittsburgh would run off like bandits. Lysell and DPetey have the value of a late 1st. So we're talking 3 1st round picks, Debrusk (a very good middle 6 to top 6 forward), and a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7_Gyoza Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: That'd be a bit of a stretch imo, he'll be 25 in July and the pedigree ain't there as an undrafted guy, his point totals don't blow anyone away either I'll spitball though To Vancouver Guentzel To Boston Lindholm To Pittsburgh Vancouver 2025 1st Jake DeBrusk (who is later flipped) Fabian Lysell D Petey Boston 2025 3rd Pittsburgh takes the cap to make it work in Debrusk, instead of Boston paying Vancouver they end up paying Pittsburgh to take DeBrusk and to bring the overall cost down for Van That would mean Vancouver paid Kuz,2 1st, a 4th (3rd), and 3 prospects for Guentzel. Doesn't make sense to me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I think that's a bit too much. Pittsburgh would run off like bandits. Lysell and DPetey have the value of a late 1st. So we're talking 3 1st round picks, Debrusk (a very good middle 6 to top 6 forward), and a 3rd. I did say I was spitballing, and crazier things have happened, look at what Tampa threw at Nashville for Jeannot But Boston needs to move out cap for it to work, maybe lessen the overall cost for each team a bit but I do think DeBrusk would have to go for it to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hughes Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: That'd be a bit of a stretch imo, he'll be 25 in July and the pedigree ain't there as an undrafted guy, his point totals don't blow anyone away either I'll spitball though To Vancouver Guentzel To Boston Lindholm To Pittsburgh Vancouver 2025 1st Jake DeBrusk (who is later flipped) Fabian Lysell D Petey Boston 2025 3rd Pittsburgh takes the cap to make it work in Debrusk, instead of Boston paying Vancouver they end up paying Pittsburgh to take DeBrusk and to bring the overall cost down for Van Both Guentzel and Lindholm sign extensions, DeBrusk's 4M going out covers the Lindholm extension Wow canucks would give up alot to get Guentzel in the end. 2 firsts, hunter, kuz, a fourth and jurmo. No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 22 minutes ago, Pears said: Im leary of making a flip to be honest. I get that Lindholm hasn't flourished offensively but I feel since his addition, JT's game has taken off with less responsibilities and allowed a more balanced approach up front. I like the idea of Lindholm being our shutdown guy better than Blueger. Idk, im not super big of moving on from Lindholm but I also get why they would. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Im leary of making a flip to be honest. I get that Lindholm hasn't flourished offensively but I feel since his addition, JT's game has taken off with less responsibilities and allowed a more balanced approach up front. I like the idea of Lindholm being our shutdown guy better than Blueger. Idk, im not super big of moving on from Lindholm but I also get why they would. Me too. It's just so nice having management who's capable of identifying mistakes and quickly moving on from them. We'd still be in really good shape with Petey-Miller-Blueger-Suter down the middle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeknows Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 23 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: And joining the team mid roadtrip with virtually no practice time will lead to that, I’d hope they have more foresight than to write him off on such a small sample size. Beyond dumb. I'd prefer Guentzel over Lindholm. Not dumb at all IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I did say I was spitballing, and crazier things have happened, look at what Tampa threw at Nashville for Jeannot But Boston needs to move out cap for it to work, maybe lessen the overall cost for each team a bit but I do think DeBrusk would have to go for it to work Not criticizing you. Just thought it was a bit too much for Pittsburgh. I don't think Guentzel is worth much more than Lindholm. I could maybe see Vancouver adding a 3rd or 4th to Lindholm to acquire Guentzel. The price Boston needs to pay for Lindholm would probably be Debrusk, Lysell, and a 1st. So ... VAN: Guentzel BOS: Lindholm PIT: Debrusk Lysell 1st (BOS) 3rd (VAN) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I mean if intentional that would be kind of crazy evil genius… Not only would we have kept other Western teams like Colorado from acquiring the top center on the market, we’d snatch Guenztel from teams like Vegas and Nashville. My only question is how much more would Guenztel cost on top of what Boston sends us? We’re already in for a 1st and a pretty good prospect. How many more pieces do we have to add? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck1991 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 lidhom was a bad trade, invisible on the ice. If rutherford can trade out lindhom and acquire guentzel, he deserves a statue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Coconuts said: That'd be a bit of a stretch imo, he'll be 25 in July and the pedigree ain't there as an undrafted guy, his point totals don't blow anyone away either I'll spitball though To Vancouver Guentzel To Boston Lindholm To Pittsburgh Vancouver 2025 1st Jake DeBrusk (who is later flipped) Fabian Lysell D Petey Boston 2025 3rd Pittsburgh takes the cap to make it work in Debrusk, instead of Boston paying Vancouver they end up paying Pittsburgh to take DeBrusk and to bring the overall cost down for Van Both Guentzel and Lindholm sign extensions, DeBrusk's 4M going out covers the Lindholm extension I don't think we have to give up a 1st and DPetey on top of Lindholm for Guentzel Edited March 5 by aGENT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Penguins Hoping To Trade Guentzel By Tomorrow March 5th, 2024 at 2:05pm CST • By Brennan McClain TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting that the Pittsburgh Penguins are hoping to have a trade-in place for forward Jake Guentzel by tomorrow evening. The news is significant as it confirms that the Penguins are committed to moving out Guentzel to bring younger pieces into the organization. In the report, Dreger indicates that the Penguins are looking for a first-round pick, a young NHL-caliber player, as well as prospects. TSN’s Chris Johnston is also reporting that the teams looking to acquire Guentzel are not interested in pursuing a contract extension and are purely viewing him as a rental. Just reading this article, there's even a thought that Pitts And Guentzel would like to resign in summer. At this price I don't think we should do this again. If Podz or hogs And 2025 1st plus a B prospect or two.. man our pool getting pretty shallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 42 minutes ago, Pears said: I don't buy this for a second. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, N7_Gyoza said: That would mean Vancouver paid Kuz,2 1st, a 4th (3rd), and 3 prospects for Guentzel. Doesn't make sense to me. 7 minutes ago, Captain Hughes said: Wow canucks would give up alot to get Guentzel in the end. 2 firsts, hunter, kuz, a fourth and jurmo. No thanks Overall, yes. But the Lindholm trade was a separate transaction. Kuzmenko was neutral value at best. The best part we gave up for Lindholm was the 1st, whatshisname the prospect, probably wasn't going to sign here. Lindholm doesn't cancel out Guentzel for Pittsburgh, they won't want him and Boston has limited buying power in terms of picks and prospects. If both Vancouver and Boston are getting players they want one has to think that Pittsburgh is likely getting picks/prospects back. I have a hard time seeing us just giving up Lindholm in a three way trade, he hasn't looked as good as Guentzel has this season. I did say I was spitballing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I’d rather send Mikheyev to Pittsburgh and just pay the additional cost. Guenztel Miller Boeser Hoglander Pettersson Lindholm Thats a very solid top 6. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HKSR said: Not criticizing you. Just thought it was a bit too much for Pittsburgh. I don't think Guentzel is worth much more than Lindholm. I could maybe see Vancouver adding a 3rd or 4th to Lindholm to acquire Guentzel. The price Boston needs to pay for Lindholm would probably be Debrusk, Lysell, and a 1st. So ... VAN: Guentzel BOS: Lindholm PIT: Debrusk Lysell 1st (BOS) 3rd (VAN) Maybe, maybe not, but when comparing their production I would say that Guentzel is probably worth more. I reckon we'd be giving up more than just a 3rd on top of Lindholm, I reckon we'd be giving up a solid prospect. That return only gives them Lysell as a player who probably plays sooner than later, they probably aren't getting a top notch prospect for DeBrusk, who they would likely flip. Maybe throw D Petey in there instead of the 3rd, maybe we get a little back from Pittsburgh on top of Guentzel to even the scales. But I'm operating under the impression that both teams would be paying for players they'd keep, not for rentals. Edited March 5 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce000 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If this is a master plan to stop our conference rivals from getting either Lindholm and Guentzel, I'm here for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I would be entertained if this happened… Lindholm hasn’t fit well yet, maybe he would after a while… but maybe not. If it ends up basically being a swap where similar assets from from Boston for Lindholm go to Pittsburgh for Guentzel I would be up for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_Nuck Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I don't buy this for a second. I hope you’re right. I’d like to see us add Guentzel, a winger that can hit and will fight if he has to and a reliable #6 D-man. And I think we should go all in. F the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, Northern_Nuck said: I hope you’re right. I’d like to see us add Guentzel, a winger that can hit and will fight if he has to and a reliable #6 D-man. And I think we should go all in. F the future. its TO horse shit. Clickbait Johnson. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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