Nucker67 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Considering Guentzel has only played for PIT in his career, no one really knows what he could do on another team. I think the Canucks have better offense than PIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 16 minutes ago, Diamonds said: We definitely wouldn't have all of them this season, but we probably would still have at least one if not multiple of them. 9.75M in total cap does not equal 7.26M. Also not everything happens in a vacuum. You were asking what the other option was. That was the other option. Well you would have to fill the roster spots that those 4 players take. 7.26 for OEL + 3 plugs at 800k= 9.66M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I'll predict, the final forward group after the TDL: Guentzel - Pettersson - Mikheyev Di Giuseppe - Miller - Boeser Joshua - Suter - Garland Greenway - Blueger - Lafferty Aman Missing notables: Kuzmenko, Hoglander + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 The Pens got to be out of the playoff picture for this to happen. Let’s wait another 20 games and see 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: That is a massive overpayment for a player whose contract is ending. Sure is. They aren't trading him for anything less when Crosby is still around and playing the way he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Dom said: Sure is. They aren't trading him for anything less when Crosby is still around and playing the way he is. Dubas can be had by Alvin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackleford Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 No thanks to overpaying for a rental. Hoping we can poach someone like Vatrano from the Ducks. Shouldn't cost a ton, has a couple years left on his contract, scoring at a career high and had 13 points in 20 playoff games with the Rangers 2 years ago. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Grandmaster said: The Pens got to be out of the playoff picture for this to happen. Let’s wait another 20 games and see And/or Guentzel not wanting to extend or PIT not wanting to tie themselves to 8 years with their two stars approaching 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Grandmaster said: The Pens got to be out of the playoff picture for this to happen. Let’s wait another 20 games and see Exactly last I heard they were 2 points out of the last wild card and just won the other night so.. no way they trade him until they're out or the playoffs. Is he not Crosby's winger? and has been his whole career or something I read. Edited January 5 by Rick_theRyper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, aGENT said: And/or Guentzel not wanting to extend or PIT not wanting to tie themselves to 8 years with their two stars approaching 40. I mean, we're not that far off either with Miller by the time his contract is done, will be in his late 30's. If we trade for Guentzel, and sign him to an extension, he'll be in his 36/37 year, almost the same age as Miller by the time their contract will be done. So many questions come into play right. Are their contracts going to age well? Are they still going to be productive in those latter stages of their career? Are they even going to be useful (at the very least)? I'd be okay with trading for Guentzel for Kuzmenko, a swap of players, maybe we probably have to add, but signing Guentzel to a 4-5 year deal is preferrable for me. With that being said, why would he sign that deal when he can probably get the max deal in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 To Pit: Kuzmenko, Myers To Van: Guentzel, Reilly Guentzel-Miler-Boeser Mykheyev-Pettersson-Reilly Joshua-Blueger-Garland Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty Aman-Di Gueseppe Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Soucy Cole-Juulsen Friedman That top 6 is nasty and say what you will about Myers but the blueline takes a real hit without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Penguins’ Guentzel Contract Talks Paused, Forward Seeks Clarity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said: Penguins’ Guentzel Contract Talks Paused, Forward Seeks Clarity YESSSSSS tbh- I totally see why - PIT is a bubble team, core is old, JG is not part of the elite go for broke core (SC, EM, EK, CL), also he's a non premium position.I see a world where Dubas trades Guentzel for 2 y9oungr players who can play now, because PIT is not in full rebuild mode, also, they would have to flip a 1st or a top prospect for a player who can play now... hello JG for Kuzy +hogz ( two players with upside who can play now) and then they don't lose JG for nothing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 29 minutes ago, canucks curse said: YESSSSSS tbh- I totally see why - PIT is a bubble team, core is old, JG is not part of the elite go for broke core (SC, EM, EK, CL), also he's a non premium position.I see a world where Dubas trades Guentzel for 2 y9oungr players who can play now, because PIT is not in full rebuild mode, also, they would have to flip a 1st or a top prospect for a player who can play now... hello JG for Kuzy +hogz ( two players with upside who can play now) and then they don't lose JG for nothing Agreed. I don't think it costs us Hoglander though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Agreed. I don't think it costs us Hoglander though. agree I think Kuzy +hogz is a bit of an overpay for a 30 yr old who has only played for pit ever and is a UFA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Billabong said: To Pit: Kuzmenko, Myers To Van: Guentzel, Reilly Guentzel-Miler-Boeser Mykheyev-Pettersson-Reilly Joshua-Blueger-Garland Hoglander-Suter-Lafferty Aman-Di Gueseppe Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Soucy Cole-Juulsen Friedman That top 6 is nasty and say what you will about Myers but the blueline takes a real hit without him. Pitts doesn't have the cap space to even add the extra 500k to make that trade. Also why does Pittsburgh want tyler myers? They have Karlsson and Letang on the right side already, their 3rd RHD gets 12 minutes a night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Coryberg said: Pitts doesn't have the cap space to even add the extra 500k to make that trade. Also why does Pittsburgh want tyler myers? They have Karlsson and Letang on the right side already, their 3rd RHD gets 12 minutes a night. Kuzy for Guentzel straight up, PIT saves 500K of cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 40 minutes ago, canucks curse said: agree I think Kuzy +hogz is a bit of an overpay for a 30 yr old who has only played for pit ever and is a UFA Guentzel is legit. More so that it's an expiring contract. And until/if he gets extended, he's a rental. Just like people were overvaluing the cost of Zadorov as a rental, I believe many here are overvaluing a rental Guentzel as well. An under contract replacement (albeit downgrade) in Kuzmenko and a couple young, NHL ready/near NHL players +/- that can help them flesh out their very thin bottom 6, should be enough IMO. A couple of Aman/Karlsson/McDonagh/Sasson/Bains/Woo/Johansson/Hirose etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 If the Lotto line stays together then we may need a 2C instead. Pavel Buchnevich would be the guy. To make an all Russian line. Miller Pettersson Boeser Kuzmenko Buchnevich Mikheyev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If the Lotto line stays together then we may need a 2C instead. Pavel Buchnevich would be the guy. To make an all Russian line. Miller Pettersson Boeser Kuzmenko Buchnevich Mikheyev Yes but what would it take to get him? I think another trade in being persued but two might need to happen then for a 2c and a RHD. That way next year we only need to fill the Myers hole and bring up two or three players to stay under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 54 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Yes but what would it take to get him? I think another trade in being persued but two might need to happen then for a 2c and a RHD. That way next year we only need to fill the Myers hole and bring up two or three players to stay under the cap. In order to keep Kuzmenko and get Buchnevich for this year we will need to sacrifice on defence. Buchnevich is at $5.8 million, so logically the one guy that would need to go is Myers to balance the cap. St. Louis would have Myers off the books in the summer, so that would be the only way this could work. Would have to be Myers plus Hoglander and either a 2nd or a 1st round pick. Then we’d have to get a RHD to fill Myers spot. We could play Cole on the right side, but if we want to make a playoff run we would need another Dman. So another trade would need to happen… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: If the Lotto line stays together then we may need a 2C instead. Pavel Buchnevich would be the guy. To make an all Russian line. Miller Pettersson Boeser Kuzmenko Buchnevich Mikheyev Buchnevich would be a great add. What would St. Louis want in return? Probably starts with a 1st. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: In order to keep Kuzmenko and get Buchnevich for this year we will need to sacrifice on defence. Buchnevich is at $5.8 million, so logically the one guy that would need to go is Myers to balance the cap. St. Louis would have Myers off the books in the summer, so that would be the only way this could work. Would have to be Myers plus Hoglander and either a 2nd or a 1st round pick. Then we’d have to get a RHD to fill Myers spot. We could play Cole on the right side, but if we want to make a playoff run we would need another Dman. So another trade would need to happen… I can't see Allvin making that many moves. It's hard enough to try to get a RHD, but to get both Buchnevich and a RHD on the same trade deadline? Slim chance that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, cripplereh said: Yes but what would it take to get him? I think another trade in being persued but two might need to happen then for a 2c and a RHD. That way next year we only need to fill the Myers hole and bring up two or three players to stay under the cap. would love Buchnevich in Canuck colours. It'll be interesting to see what Allvin does, and who he adds to the roster to bolster for a playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 On 1/5/2024 at 1:23 PM, Rusty Shackleford said: No thanks to overpaying for a rental. Hoping we can poach someone like Vatrano from the Ducks. Shouldn't cost a ton, has a couple years left on his contract, scoring at a career high and had 13 points in 20 playoff games with the Rangers 2 years ago. This makes more sense. What’s his cap hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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