D.B Cooper Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Oof. Unless they can include Lindholm, who has been a total fucking stinker, I just don’t want to make this move. Selling the whole farm for one run isn’t a good move 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngoway Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Oof. Unless they can include Lindholm, who has been a total fucking stinker, I just don’t want to make this move. Selling the whole farm for one run isn’t a good move People dumping on Lindholm need to chill out. He definitely hasn't been the greatest on the offensive end, but he's still only be with us for 14 games. Tocchet even said he's liked his game and feels like Lindholm just needs more time. This is exactly the reason they went and got him earlier as opposed to at the trade deadline so he could build that chemistry/learn all the systems. I do agree though that selling the farm for Guentzel/one run isn't wise. I'm sure management is looking at more depth options as opposed to another big trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Oof. Unless they can include Lindholm, who has been a total fucking stinker, I just don’t want to make this move. Selling the whole farm for one run isn’t a good move We aren't flipping Lindholm just like that because he's struggling to fit in mainly due to not having consistent linemates and only having a handful of home games. Give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, Pears said: We aren't flipping Lindholm just like that because he's struggling to fit in mainly due to not having consistent linemates and only having a handful of home games. Give it up. Well, also he's a UFA, which doesn't benefit a team in sell mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I'd keep Lindholm even if it's just for his 55+ faceoff %. That comes in big time handy in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 27 minutes ago, Coconuts said: On Friedman's 32 thoughts he mentioned that Dubas would prefer two prospects vs a prospect and a 1st, they want players who will fit sooner than later Maybe one would be Podz, but I question who the other would be I question the trade value of other forward prospects not named Lekkerimaki, maybe Raty, and that of D not named Willander and Pettersson Could see them asking for Hoglander too, he fits the bill as a young NHL forward with upside Pittsburgh's ask may be what closes the door for us https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-a-note-on-every-team-to-open-trade-deadline-week/ God I hope so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 30 minutes ago, Coconuts said: On Friedman's 32 thoughts he mentioned that Dubas would prefer two prospects vs a prospect and a 1st, they want players who will fit sooner than later Maybe one would be Podz, but I question who the other would be I question the trade value of other forward prospects not named Lekkerimaki, maybe Raty, and that of D not named Willander and Pettersson Could see them asking for Hoglander too, he fits the bill as a young NHL forward with upside Pittsburgh's ask may be what closes the door for us https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-a-note-on-every-team-to-open-trade-deadline-week/ Aman and Podz can play now Milky + Aman + Podz But that's too much for a rental, we better sign and there better be some retention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardown Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 31 minutes ago, DeNiro said: A “tiny guy” that was a key contributor in winning a cup. Last time I checked the reigning conn Smythe winner is a tiny guy. We need guys that can put the puck in the net. He also had one of the greatest players in the game feeding him pucks for a decade. Not to take anything away from Guentzel as he is talented, but we shouldn't ignore, that as a goal scorer, having a Hall of Famer and best player of this generation feed you your whole career definitely benefits your numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Pears said: We aren't flipping Lindholm just like that because he's struggling to fit in mainly due to not having consistent linemates and only having a handful of home games. No shit they aren’t. That is quite obliviously not how it works. 12 minutes ago, Pears said: Give it up. No. Lindy might get a bit better, but IMO, he is on a decline or minimally going back to reality after 1 really good season a couple years ago. He is going to get severely overpaid and I hope so much that it isn’t us who pays him. Also, what 9 million dollar players take 20 games to learn a new system? Does it mean they are offensively useless for half a season? Nope. Scorers are going to score. He is asking for way too much. Edited March 4 by D.B Cooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, canucks curse said: Aman and Podz can play now Milky + Aman + Podz But that's too much for a rental, we better sign and there better be some retention I doubt 24-year-old Aman has much trade value as a prospect, or as an NHL'er That's a weak trade package for Pittsburgh, especially if they're taking cap back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 28 minutes ago, Dom said: Yup who played with the best in the world in Crosby. Have a feeling this is another Lindholm. Plus A LOT of other teams after him - would rather not blow up the prospect pool. So you think Crosby has just been carrying him? And what about our centers. Last time I checked they’re pretty good 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 32 minutes ago, Dom said: Yup who played with the best in the world in Crosby. Have a feeling this is another Lindholm. Plus A LOT of other teams after him - would rather not blow up the prospect pool. Again, you don't have multiple 40 goal seasons and be a legitimate playoff performer simply just because of who you play with. I'm almost positive a good chunk of people thought Alex Burrows was just a product of the Sedins until he proved he was still effective playing with Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I don't doubt Guentzel is a legitimate player in his own right but I don't see the point in trading even more futures for another rental. I'd rather go bargain bin shopping (i.e. when we traded for Toffoli in 2020) or let one of our younger players (i.e. Podz) step up and be a playoff contributor if management is not content with our current roster construction. Lindholm should be proof that selling the farm for 3 months of play is not a winning strategy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 If we get Guentzel, it'll cost us DPetey. I doubt PA/JR would unload another 1st. DPetey (who's value is like a 1st) Raty (B+ prospect) Mikheyev 2nd (2025) ++ That would probably be close to getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Sell.the.team said: I don't doubt Guentzel is a legitimate player in his own right but I don't see the point in trading even more futures for another rental. I'd rather go bargain bin shopping (i.e. when we traded for Toffoli in 2020) or let one of our younger players (i.e. Podz) step up and be a playoff contributor if management is not content with our current roster construction. Lindholm should be proof that selling the farm for 3 months of play is not a winning strategy. If they trade for a player like Guentzel it won’t be as a rental. It will be with a long term plan in mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 52 minutes ago, Dom said: Yup who played with the best in the world in Crosby. Have a feeling this is another Lindholm. Plus A LOT of other teams after him - would rather not blow up the prospect pool. What is alternative?PDG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: I don't doubt Guentzel is a legitimate player in his own right but I don't see the point in trading even more futures for another rental. I'd rather go bargain bin shopping (i.e. when we traded for Toffoli in 2020) or let one of our younger players (i.e. Podz) step up and be a playoff contributor if management is not content with our current roster construction. Lindholm should be proof that selling the farm for 3 months of play is not a winning strategy. You didnot sell farm for Lindholm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 If we can dump Mik on them in the deal, I make a Guentzel move in a heartbeat. But like the Lindholm deal. No Lekkerimaki or Willander. Also try keep Podz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7_Gyoza Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: So you think Crosby has just been carrying him? And what about our centers. Last time I checked they’re pretty good I agree Guentzel is a very good player on his own, some posters talking like he's Anson Carter. Going from playing with Sid to JT or Petey ain't too shabby if you ask me. Edited March 4 by N7_Gyoza 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, DeNiro said: If they trade for a player like Guentzel it won’t be as a rental. It will be with a long term plan in mind. Yup, we'll be able to keep 1 of Lindholm or Guentzel: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HKSR Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, Jaimito said: Of course it's gonna be VGK. Then Stone will return in Game 1. Sometimes I don't even know why I bother subjecting myself to this clown league. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jaimito said: The advantage Vegas has that we don’t is they have the Stone LTIR money. Wed have to send Mikheyev back in a deal or make a separate trade. We have much better prospects though. Edited March 4 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: If we can dump Mik on them in the deal, I make a Guentzel move in a heartbeat. But like the Lindholm deal. No Lekkerimaki or Willander. Also try keep Podz. I don't see Vancouver dumping Mikheyev on anyone. He has played well and will be part of the picture here in Vancouver's Playoff run. I can see the Canucks signing Kessel, very slight chance they bring another depth physical forward, likely not and more than likely via the trade market add a depth veteran defenseman. The team is pretty set otherwise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, HKSR said: If it removes Mikheyev and his future cap hit from the lineup, then it's basically 2 birds with 1 stone: 1. Acquiring a top 6 goal scorer. 2. Removing future cap commitment and increasing flexibility for re-signing UFAs/RFAs (read: cap dump). From that perspective, I can see why PA/JR are considering it. I'll gladly sacrifice having to put a stupid Garland avatar on my profile if it means getting Guentzel... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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