Rick_theRyper Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If there's a deal there will be cap for next year moving out again for sure Mikheyev makes sense, helps possibly resign someone next year. If we send away two 1sts and all the other little things and cant resign everyone these trades are gonna look like big losses if they don't go far in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Would people be open to moving Hoglander for Guentzel assuming an extension is in place. hear me out before you spaz Hogs is playing great and I love him, that being said, he’s still getting limited minutes, particularly given his performance. This would suggest he hasn’t fully got Tocchet’s “trust” defensively. They said this on Halford and Brough today. as good as he’s been, Guentzel is clearly a much better top 6 winger. He’s proven, in the playoffs as well. this allows us to sell high, keep podz and upgrade top 6. Podz is a much more well rounded player, and will probably be more valuable down the road. i thought about this today, and I think Hogz being the core piece would address Pens high value ask and probably not hurt us for our run. I would miss Hogz, but I think I’d be more worried giving up podz long term. and “asset management” we’d be selling high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Friedman suggesting Nashville might poach Guentzel. Now that actually makes some sense. They certainly have the picks to do it, less sure about the prospects but Matthew Wood and Felix Nilsson are their first and second round picks from this past draft Maybe Joakim Kemmel, their top pick from 2022 or Tanner Molendyk, the 24th OA from 2023 Speaking of strictly picks, they have their 1st over the next three seasons as well as Tampa's 1st next season, three 2nd's this draft, a couple 3rd's this draft, and most of their other picks over the next three drafts If Nashville actually wants to pay it's doubtful either Vancouver or Vegas could outbid them, they could use firepower up front, but it comes down to whether Guentzel would extend there Edited March 5 by Coconuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 hours ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: our current core, JT (traded) Demko, Petterson, Boeser, Hughes (all drafted born and raised Canucks) Our sub core is our drafted talent. Who are growing into the core, watching Hogz/Podz. Dont give up our core, give away anyone else as fancy as the stats say they are. I was so wrong about JT that I have to say ‘no comment’. OK, enough of that. Since CAP space will be such a huge issue for the Canucks I doubt there is a big deal. Guentzel will have a high ask and then resigning him will be CAP heavy with term. Cannot see how PA makes that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, Coconuts said: They certainly have the picks to do it, less sure about the prospects but Matthew Wood and Felix Nilsson are their first and second round picks from this past draft Maybe Joakim Kemmel, their top pick from 2022 or Tanner Molendyk, the 24th OA from 2023 Speaking of strictly picks, they have their 1st over the next three seasons as well as Tampa's 1st next season, three 2nd's this draft, a couple 3rd's this draft, and most of their other picks over the next three drafts If Nashville actually wants to pay it's doubtful either Vancouver or Vegas could outbid them, they could use firepower up front, but it comes down to whether Guentzel would extend there I'd be good with that. Tired of VGK poaching all the big name guys and putting guys on LTIR to make it work until playoff time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'd be good with that. Tired of VGK poaching all the big name guys and putting guys on LTIR to make it work until playoff time. They'll get someone, just a matter of who Trotz is a real wildcard in Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, spook007 said: What makes you think our timeline is just 3-5 years? i'd suggest its more likely to be this and next and then in 3 years and for the next 5 years+..., Once OEL cap is gone we are in Peteys Prime and QHs as well... we are going to cook at that time. Demko will be 33 in 5 years assuming he re-sign and stay with the Canucks. There’s no guarantees silov will be the next Demko. Then we are into the likely declined miller and Hughes re-signing with the Canucks is not a slam dunk. Especially if the CRA wins against Tavares and the government goes after signing bonus for athletes. How many teams in the nhl have you seen in recent years have legitimate extended windows? There are a few but not many. Chicago with Kane and Toews Pittsburgh with Malkin and Crosby Tampa with their infinite stars.. I don’t think any of the Canucks star are anything close to those guys at their peak prime. By the time OEL cap is finally gone.. ep will be at the tail end of his prime. Hughes will prolly need a contract in the 14-15mil range in 4 years time if he decides to stay. There’s way too many uncertainty beyond the 3-5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 45 minutes ago, Bardown said: Would people be open to moving Hoglander for Guentzel assuming an extension is in place. hear me out before you spaz Hogs is playing great and I love him, that being said, he’s still getting limited minutes, particularly given his performance. This would suggest he hasn’t fully got Tocchet’s “trust” defensively. They said this on Halford and Brough today. as good as he’s been, Guentzel is clearly a much better top 6 winger. He’s proven, in the playoffs as well. this allows us to sell high, keep podz and upgrade top 6. Podz is a much more well rounded player, and will probably be more valuable down the road. i thought about this today, and I think Hogz being the core piece would address Pens high value ask and probably not hurt us for our run. I would miss Hogz, but I think I’d be more worried giving up podz long term. and “asset management” we’d be selling high. What is Hogs further upside? He could be a 40 goal player as a top 6 and more TOI. He isn’t a finished product yet. Pitt would be giving up a player they might not be able to resign but so could Vancouver. Extension in place it could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 49 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I was so wrong about JT that I have to say ‘no comment’. OK, enough of that. Since CAP space will be such a huge issue for the Canucks I doubt there is a big deal. Guentzel will have a high ask and then resigning him will be CAP heavy with term. Cannot see how PA makes that work? I am hopeful that PA does not make that work. We got everything we need, I hope we dont lose Podz because some other team sees what he got. I hope PA and Tocc sees what Podz got. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 18 minutes ago, Boudrias said: What is Hogs further upside? He could be a 40 goal player as a top 6 and more TOI. He isn’t a finished product yet. Pitt would be giving up a player they might not be able to resign but so could Vancouver. Extension in place it could happen. I don’t see hogs as a 40 goal player I see him as a 25 goal player LT yes I am assuming an extension 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Bardown said: I don’t see hogs as a 40 goal player I see him as a 25 goal player LT yes I am assuming an extension I dunno about 40, but I certainly see 30+. He's scoring ALL his goals 5v5. If he continues at this pace, he'd finish with 25 to 26 goals. Put him on the PP (not sure why he isn't there yet), and he could pot another 5 to 10 there. That puts him in the 30 to 35 goal range IMO. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWJC Posted March 5 Popular Post Share Posted March 5 I think Hogs would be a great utility guy for us in the playoffs. Hopeful he doesn’t go anywhere 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Jake would be icing on the cake but gonna cost a yacht and a lake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Bardown said: Would people be open to moving Hoglander for Guentzel assuming an extension is in place. hear me out before you spaz Hogs is playing great and I love him, that being said, he’s still getting limited minutes, particularly given his performance. This would suggest he hasn’t fully got Tocchet’s “trust” defensively. They said this on Halford and Brough today. as good as he’s been, Guentzel is clearly a much better top 6 winger. He’s proven, in the playoffs as well. this allows us to sell high, keep podz and upgrade top 6. Podz is a much more well rounded player, and will probably be more valuable down the road. i thought about this today, and I think Hogz being the core piece would address Pens high value ask and probably not hurt us for our run. I would miss Hogz, but I think I’d be more worried giving up podz long term. and “asset management” we’d be selling high. Hard no, for me. We've been developing Hogs for years now, and he's showing he can be a regular NHL player at both ends of the rink. He plays the right way. Plus, we could lock him in on a cheap deal for eight years and have him through his prime whereas signing JG means we have him locked in for his twilight years. I'd rather send Mikheyev, Podz, and a later pick for JG and have him and Hogs on the same team. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: Demko will be 33 in 5 years assuming he re-sign and stay with the Canucks. There’s no guarantees silov will be the next Demko. Then we are into the likely declined miller and Hughes re-signing with the Canucks is not a slam dunk. Especially if the CRA wins against Tavares and the government goes after signing bonus for athletes. How many teams in the nhl have you seen in recent years have legitimate extended windows? There are a few but not many. Chicago with Kane and Toews Pittsburgh with Malkin and Crosby Tampa with their infinite stars.. I don’t think any of the Canucks star are anything close to those guys at their peak prime. By the time OEL cap is finally gone.. ep will be at the tail end of his prime. Hughes will prolly need a contract in the 14-15mil range in 4 years time if he decides to stay. There’s way too many uncertainty beyond the 3-5 years I think this is rather glass half empty v half full... Petey will be 30 when OEL Cap ends... but only 28, when its no more than $2M... hardly end of his life as a forward.. one could argue or even expect that he should be at the height of his career... after all this is the age Miller is at now. Demko will be 33 when the cap ends, but 31 only when its reduced to $2M... Quinn Hughes may or may not sign, but there is nothing to suggest he won't. As for contract figures, nothing is for free, but the cap is increasing so that should help. Hogs maybe a 27-29 year old 1st line winger and with a bit of Luck both Lekkerimaki and Willander will be well established players as well. On top of that, so far the management team has done an excellent job in the professional scouting department, and found a lot of value for money... Nothing suggests to me that is going to change anytime soon. So all in all I feel there are plenty of reason to look forward to the future in the media to longish term... I do agree there are lots of uncertainties into the future, but there always is... Any player can get injured, lose form, be moved etc etc, but at least we have some building blocks and a few more arriving... as I said its a bit like glass half empty v half full... I believe its half full and definitely feel that as well... PS. Crosby is now 36 and still scoring for fun, while Malkin is 37 and on his last legs. Eller is 34 and also still a decent player, so I don't think we should expect our star players to all drop dead just after 30... Edited March 5 by spook007 PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Dhaliwal says no chance this happens as other teams have much deeper prospect pools. Zucker - Canucks have poked around him. (I'D PASS) Greenway - They've wanted him for a long time. but the price is way too high. Kessel - Decision is coming... ' IT IS NOT FITNESS RELATED IF THEY DON'T SIGN HIM ' Almost sounds like nothing is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Dom said: Dhaliwal says no chance this happens as other teams have much deeper prospect pools. Zucker - Canucks have poked around him. (I'D PASS) Greenway - They've wanted him for a long time. but the price is way too high. Kessel - Decision is coming... ' IT IS NOT FITNESS RELATED IF THEY DON'T SIGN HIM ' Almost sounds like nothing is going to happen. And that's ok too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Dom said: Dhaliwal says no chance this happens as other teams have much deeper prospect pools. Zucker - Canucks have poked around him. (I'D PASS) Greenway - They've wanted him for a long time. but the price is way too high. Kessel - Decision is coming... ' IT IS NOT FITNESS RELATED IF THEY DON'T SIGN HIM ' Almost sounds like nothing is going to happen. He also said Pettersson wasn't signing long term. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, HKSR said: I'd be good with that. Tired of VGK poaching all the big name guys and putting guys on LTIR to make it work until playoff time. When key canucks get injured, we cry bad luck. When key players on other teams get injured, we cry cap circumvention. Losing your captain for the last 2 months of the season is not all its cracked up to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 20 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Hard no, for me. We've been developing Hogs for years now, and he's showing he can be a regular NHL player at both ends of the rink. He plays the right way. Plus, we could lock him in on a cheap deal for eight years and have him through his prime whereas signing JG means we have him locked in for his twilight years. I'd rather send Mikheyev, Podz, and a later pick for JG and have him and Hogs on the same team. I agree with all your logic, my suggestion was assuming (and not explicitly) that the Canucks are going to take a hard run at Guentzel regardless. In that situation, if we assume they are just too enamoured with him .....would you make that deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, Sell.the.team said: When key canucks get injured, we cry bad luck. When key players on other teams get injured, we cry cap circumvention. Losing your captain for the last 2 months of the season is not all its cracked up to be. Don't got a problem with it when the timing isn't so perfect that they can just replace their captain with a 40 goal scoring winger, just to have their captain back for game 1 of the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Pears said: He also said Pettersson wasn't signing long term. It's a pipe dream to trade for Guentzel. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: Don't got a problem with it when the timing isn't so perfect that they can just replace their captain with a 40 goal scoring winger, just to have their captain back for game 1 of the playoffs. Exactly just so happens as Eichel comes back stone has a injury that’s reported to be “rest of the regular season” they look comfortable in a playoff spot, if Myers went to the ltir and was back for game 1 round 1 and we maxamized that cap space I’m sure bettman would find a penalty to slap us with just like the luongo BS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Captain insano said: Exactly just so happens as Eichel comes back stone has a injury that’s reported to be “rest of the regular season” they look comfortable in a playoff spot, if Myers went to the ltir and was back for game 1 round 1 and we maxamized that cap space I’m sure bettman would find a penalty to slap us with just like the luongo BS Still amazes me we never took Bettman to court over that crap while LA and New Jersey begged and pleaded with him to get out of their penalties for Richards and Kovalchuk. That penalty cost us keeping at least one of Toffoli or Tanev. Edited March 5 by Pears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Dom said: It's a pipe dream to trade for Guentzel. Lol At this point I have to agree, I feel the lotto line being reunited Joshua Lindholm garland as a second line and then making some trades to fill out a 3rd line with hoglander blueger or suter and a trade partner winger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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