Sitting Kuzmenko and playing Lafferty as a top 6 winger?

[HKSR]

2 hours ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

 

Stats are just stats.  These numbers don't reflect factors like quality of competition.  Sample size is also pretty small.

[tas]

32 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Stats are just stats.  These numbers don't reflect factors like quality of competition.  Sample size is also pretty small.

why would the quality of competition change just because you don't like how those stats read?

[HKSR]

1 hour ago, tas said:

why would the quality of competition change just because you don't like how those stats read?

Not gonna try and explain that complexity to someone that still uses plus minus to define a players defensive ability.

[tas]

2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Not gonna try and explain that complexity to someone that still uses plus minus to define a players defensive ability.

did petey's line start getting easier matchups when kuz was taken off?

[HKSR]

Just now, tas said:

did petey's line start getting easier matchups when kuz was taken off?

Playing SJ vs VGK makes a difference to these stats.  The sample size is way too small to infer a causation over a correlation.  That's what I'm referring to when looking at those numbers without more details.

[tas]

2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Playing SJ vs VGK makes a difference to these stats.  The sample size is way too small to infer a causation over a correlation.  That's what I'm referring to when looking at those numbers without more details.

believe me when I tell your here's nothing you can teach me about stats. 

 

keep in mind that I'm a guy who, 13 years ago this past December 20th, independently came up with, off the top of my head, a predictive algorithm for this team that perfectly predicted the team's year end point total not once, but in 2 consecutive years, 4 months before the end of the regular season. 

 

I'm not some rube. I understand the math. spotting patterns is my favourite pastime. 

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, tas said:

believe me when I tell your here's nothing you can teach me about stats. 

 

keep in mind that I'm a guy who, 13 years ago this past December 20th, independently came up with, off the top of my head, a predictive algorithm for this team that perfectly predicted the team's year end point total not once, but in 2 consecutive years, 4 months before the end of the regular season. 

 

I'm not some rube. I understand the math. spotting patterns is my favourite pastime. 

That's nice.  So you should understand how quality of competition and sample size could heavily impact the stats thrown out here.

[tas]

1 minute ago, HKSR said:

That's nice.  So you should understand how quality of competition and sample size could heavily impact the stats thrown out here.

what I mostly understand is you grasping at any stat you can to try to support your lame, shortsighted argument. 

[HKSR]

2 minutes ago, tas said:

what I mostly understand is you grasping at any stat you can to try to support your lame, shortsighted argument. 

Man, you are hopeless.  I'm not even grasping at a stat.  I'm merely pointing out very reasonable flaws in the stats presented. 

[tas]

Just now, HKSR said:

Man, you are hopeless.  I'm not even grasping at a stat.  I'm merely pointing out very reasonable flaws in the stats presented. 

you were trying to compare kuzmenko to a top 3 nhl player. my god man, come on. be real here. it's either a disingenuous argument or you're just way out of your depth. 

 

at the end of the day the details of this argument are irrelevant. the fundamental issue is the people who somehow still haven't learned how important system and structure and and cohesion and standards are vs. the rest of us. 

 

how people can see what this group has done this year and still think they know better, even though the exact same type of lack of accountability they're clamoring for is what's responsible for the prior decade of misery we've all been through, is beyond me. 

[CanuckMan]

Lafferty needs to stay on the 4th line. Anything above that is beyond his skill set. 
 

have they tried Kuzmenko with Miller and Boeser at all this year? That’s a line combo that might get things going.

 

[Sativika]

20 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

If you want to go deep in the playoffs, you need players forechecking and backchecking. Right now, Kuzmenko is playing a fairly soft game and in the playoffs, that would be a problem for us.

 

The time to fix that in his game is now! Sometimes sitting and watching brings perspective. We don't know what is being done during the game to coach him on positional play, breaking down what's expected of him, game in and game out.

 

As a team, we weren't competing like we should tonight and that happens to all teams during the season. Now, we need go into our next game and show that we deserve to be at the top of the division and one of the top teams in the league. I'm betting that Kuzmenko will be back for next game, but they might sit him for the one after for a little more off-ice coaching.

 

Yea. I agree. I'm in no doubt that we're gonna play in the second season. It's my belief that we should let this current lineup be that team. I mean, let them figure things out when they're actually in the sh*t of a real playoff situation.

 

The core of this team has yet (Other than the bubble year; not even close to being the same! Different coaches too.) to experience real playoff hockey. And neither has the coaching team for that matter. I'm guessing that we're gonna be in a full seven game situation at some point. Not only do the players have to play their asses off, the coaches need to be able to make sound adjustments to counter opposing teams strategies.

 

It'd be a great learning experience for all. Even for management! After seeing how we play in the playoffs, the management will have a better idea of what we need to finish the build for a Stanley Cup. But I digress.

 

Point I'm making is simple...................

LET 'EM PLAY!!!!!!

 

20 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

 

It's been a recurring narrative throughout the first half of the season, whether we win games or not.

 

I'm sure it must be frustrating for others here to see someone like Linus Karlsson or Nils Åman play 8-9 minutes a game and put zeroes on the board.  Bless those two Swedes, but they should not be playing ahead of Kuzmenko.

 

Sadly, that's what's going on for whatever reason. I say let Kuzy play and take the microscope off him. It's sometimes hard to do. I mean I do it. One tends to notice a certain player more when you hear more criticisms of such. Like....uhhh......ermmmmm.........Flow and Petey's play lately.

I say no more!

 

13 hours ago, IBatch said:

We could use a Maholtra as well.   Losing Horvat has affected our PP, and our center depth.   For sure worth the trade, we had nothing on the right side.    Agree Smithers, we need everyone toeing the line on both sides of the puck.    Kuzmenko just needs to do the things the coaches are asking for, and do his part.   He's not been paid to score 40 goals either ... more like 25/25, if he could do that, and do some of the things he's been asked to do better, we will be fine.   If not, he won't make it past this seasons TDL. 

 

Yep. We don't have a face off specialist. Definitely needs work. JT's better. Petey should be better. Blueger's supposed to be decent, yes?

 

Kuzy was woo'd by us and other teams for exactly that. That's why we showed him da' money!

 

 

1 hour ago, CanuckMan said:

Lafferty needs to stay on the 4th line. Anything above that is beyond his skill set. 
 

have they tried Kuzmenko with Miller and Boeser at all this year? That’s a line combo that might get things going.

 

 

Lafferty was a good get and for cheap too. He's proven useful wherever he's been placed. But he's NOT top six material!

 

Naw. He's had his best success alongside Petey. Might help Petey too as well to have him back on his line. Keep it simple. 

 

Go Canucks Go!!!!!!!

[Miss Korea]

19 minutes ago, Sativika said:

Quote

 

Yea. I agree. I'm in no doubt that we're gonna play in the second season. It's my belief that we should let this current lineup be that team. I mean, let them figure things out when they're actually in the sh*t of a real playoff situation.

 

The core of this team has yet (Other than the bubble year; not even close to being the same! Different coaches too.) to experience real playoff hockey. And neither has the coaching team for that matter. I'm guessing that we're gonna be in a full seven game situation at some point. Not only do the players have to play their asses off, the coaches need to be able to make sound adjustments to counter opposing teams strategies.

 

It'd be a great learning experience for all. Even for management! After seeing how we play in the playoffs, the management will have a better idea of what we need to finish the build for a Stanley Cup. But I digress.

 

Point I'm making is simple...................

LET 'EM PLAY!!!!!!

 

 

Sadly, that's what's going on for whatever reason. I say let Kuzy play and take the microscope off him. It's sometimes hard to do. I mean I do it. One tends to notice a certain player more when you hear more criticisms of such. Like....uhhh......ermmmmm.........Flow and Petey's play lately.

I say no more!

 

 

Yep. We don't have a face off specialist. Definitely needs work. JT's better. Petey should be better. Blueger's supposed to be decent, yes?

 

Kuzy was woo'd by us and other teams for exactly that. That's why we showed him da' money!

 

 

 

Lafferty was a good get and for cheap too. He's proven useful wherever he's been placed. But he's NOT top six material!

 

Naw. He's had his best success alongside Petey. Might help Petey too as well to have him back on his line. Keep it simple. 

 

Go Canucks Go!!!!!!!

 

 

Canucks should really try this if they're struggling with faceoffs.

 

On 11/30/2023 at 5:11 AM, Miss Korea said:

Without any changes at centre position, the Rags have gone from being 19th in faceoffs last year to 1st place this season.  Everyone has started to take faceoffs on the strong side, regardless of whether they're left-handed or right-handed.  It's an old school move used occasionally by players in the past and discussed by people like Don Cherry, but never before as a dedicated team strategy.  Michael Peca was brought in this year to help New York on faceoffs, and it's clearly paid off.

 

 

The Canucks are a decent team at faceoffs, currently in 14th place and bolstered by a focused J.T. Miller.  I wonder if our team should try this and see if it works out.  Clearly the pros outweigh the cons... at least right now.

[HKSR]

1 hour ago, Miss Korea said:

Canucks should really try this if they're struggling with faceoffs.

 

Certainly couldn't hurt to try it for a short while.  We really need a faceoff coach.  Losing Malhotra to the Laffs sucked.

[Miss Korea]

7 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Certainly couldn't hurt to try it for a short while.  We really need a faceoff coach.  Losing Malhotra to the Laffs sucked.

 

We were second in the league in 2019 when Manny was coaching.  Now we are... 16th.  Smack dab in the middle.  The Rangers are 2nd place now, jumping up 15 spots in one year.

[HKSR]

Just now, Miss Korea said:

 

We were second in the league in 2019 when Manny was coaching.  Now we are... 16th.  Smack dab in the middle.  The Rangers are 2nd place now, jumping up 15 spots in one year.

Bring Kesler back?

[Miss Korea]

Just now, HKSR said:

Bring Kesler back?

 

No, his kid is really starting to get into hockey right now.  He's not leaving Detroit before Ryker does.

[HKSR]

Just now, Miss Korea said:

 

No, his kid is really starting to get into hockey right now.  He's not leaving Detroit before Ryker does.

Can't think of which other ex Canucks were faceoff masters...

[Miss Korea]

2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Can't think of which other ex Canucks were faceoff masters...

 

You don't need ex-Canucks.  You just need someone from around here, or at least BC.  Martin St. Louis and Alex Burrows are not Habs legends, after all.

 

That or someone who is old enough to not have to worry about their kids.

[IBatch]

22 hours ago, TheGuardian said:

Watch the games and stop listening to the paid media.

 

EVERYTHING you hear during a game, on TV and the radio is a CANUCK/NHL production. Everyone is paid by one of those entities, EVERYONE. Either as full time or contractors.

 

They get paid to lead the lemmings around by the nose. WATCH KUZMENKO!!!! IGNORE BOESER!!!!!!

 

The paid media keep talking about how Tocchet is fair and treats even the high priced players the same, he benched Miller!!!!, Still being paraded around, for three stinking shifts in one game 3 months ago. Three shifts.

 

Kuzmenko gets benched and sat for a minute long shift. Miller, Hughes, Pettersson, Hronek, HUGHES, Garland, Suter ...... never a whisper except to praise them for the long shifts.

 

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" except for Tochhet it is "bench Kuzmenko at all costs and then blame" playoff teams have to play win these games, Captain Obvious strikes again.

 

There is not doubt that Tocchet has had some effect on the team but how much is he being credited for the improvement of the defence and upgrade at forward?

 

Tocchet spent a few years as a commentator on TV, he knows how to talk to the media and fans. It helps when he can give the finger to a topic he doesn't want to talk about.

 

 

WATCH BOESER, the player that asked for a trade at least twice! He just floats around, hardy ever checks, barely ever on the boards, accidental body contact in front of the net.

Funny stuff.   Talk about being led around by the media.   When, exactly, did Brock Boeser, ask for a trade? 

[TheGuardian]

2 hours ago, IBatch said:

Funny stuff.   Talk about being led around by the media.   When, exactly, did Brock Boeser, ask for a trade? 

Really? You want a day, time and weather?

And which time are you referring to?

How do you think player's agent's get permission to talk to other teams to help possibly facilitate a trade and why?

 

By the time a player gets around to asking his agent to help get him out of there the ask has already been in. The first time, an internal issue, 2nd time when the media started reporting, 3rd time when Team confirmed they gave the agent his desire, his clients "want".

 

Followed up with the numerous rumours of how teams just refused to take him on without a discount AND a sweetener. That last months.

 

As far as "When"?    ? Trolling but didn't land.