LillStrimma Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Pearson was not. Thats hooey Pearson performed to his contract or better lol even when he got injured and it looked like his career was in jeopardy we were still able to trade him for a return. Marky trade had to happen Seattle was going to snap up one of them. Plus that Marky contract doesn't look great. Pearson was a typical hard worker that are in a surplus here. It’s more about how the team plays how they go forward. Well, if Seattle going to snap Marky, what would the difference be with what happened? Demko off course protected. If Benning had gone that route he would have had a team that feel that the organisation is vehind them. When Benning just tossed away Tanev, Stecher and Marky he lost the soul of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 46 minutes ago, LillStrimma said: ok, Tanev was injured and so is MacKinnon… Let’s get MacKinnon then because Col probably want him off their injure list. Umm… What?!! Lol this isnt even remotely comparable. Buddy it took Tanev nearly 10 years to play a full season. Mackinnon has had several injury free seasons AND he is a fucking elite talent. Tanev is not even in the same fuckin stratosphere. 46 minutes ago, LillStrimma said: Scmidt was was a mismatch as OEL was since Benning didn’t have the intelligence to target the ”right” players. Go read the comparison chart I posted above. That is 2019-20. Schmidt was logging much bigger minutes than Tanev and far better in pretty much every facet. 46 minutes ago, LillStrimma said: Pearson was two mill to expensive for what he had to give. Holtby… Talk about give up all plans of playoff. If Benning kept Marky and Demko together we probably reach playoff every year and Benning wouldn’t even try to get OEL. Marky stills play good so with the right environment he wins games. First off cup experience Pearson - check Holtby - check Markstom - X Toffoli - check Markstrom+Toffoli=10.25mil for 1 cup Pearson+Holtby= 7.55mil for 2 cups Markstrom = 6x6 Holtby = 4.3x2 Toffoli+Markstrom+flat cap+pending RFA negotiations = less cap space = fucked. Markstrom = 6 mil sieve sieve = back up back up = 6mil 6 mil back up = bad bad = no playoffs No playoffs = you wrong Also good luck finding a 20 goal scorer for under 1.5mil. Lol. Saying Pearson was overpaid by 2mil is out to lunch. Also a much better 2 way player than Toffoli….. how many times has Toffoli been traded now??? Ever think that maybe theres an issue with that player when MTL and CGY both moved him? 54 minutes ago, LillStrimma said: If Benning checked with the League I’m fine with that but I didn’t see any proof of that in the thread before. Sportsnet 650 @Sportsnet650 · Follow #Canucks GM Jim Benning on appealing cap recapture penalty: "We talked to the league, the rules are there for a reason. There's not much we can do. We knew it might happen and we planned accordingly." 11:47 AM · Jun 27, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, AnthonyG said: @Alflives Christopher Tanev 5v5 Nate Schmidt VAN Team VGK D Position D 69 GP 59 1043:05 TOI 1045:10 903 CF 1072 1040 CA 944 46.47 CF% 53.17 682 FF 802 756 FA 706 47.43 FF% 53.18 482 SF 577 561 SA 533 46.21 SF% 51.98 45 GF 46 51 GA 42 46.88 GF% 52.27 42.54 xGF 48.26 45.92 xGA 42.55 48.09 xGF% 53.14 441 SCF 526 541 SCA 479 44.91 SCF% 52.34 186 HDCF 218 200 HDCA 203 48.19 HDCF% 51.78 28 HDGF 26 31 HDGA 22 47.46 HDGF% 54.17 255 MDCF 308 341 MDCA 276 42.79 MDCF% 52.74 13 MDGF 13 14 MDGA 11 48.15 MDGF% 54.17 388 LDCF 448 418 LDCA 393 48.14 LDCF% 53.27 4 LDGF 7 6 LDGA 9 40.00 LDGF% 43.75 9.34 On-Ice SH% 7.97 90.91 On-Ice SV% 92.12 1.002 PDO 1.001 167 Off. Zone Starts 151 264 Neu. Zone Starts 228 169 Def. Zone Starts 136 792 On The Fly Starts 747 49.70 Off. Zone Start % 52.61 310 Off. Zone Faceoffs 322 363 Neu. Zone Faceoffs 344 338 Def. Zone Faceoffs 319 47.84 Off. Zone Faceoff % 50.23 All situations Christopher Tanev Nate Schmidt VAN Team VGK D Position D 69 GP 59 1347:40 TOI 1278:31 978 CF 1282 1560 CA 1196 38.53 CF% 51.74 746 FF 965 1122 FA 897 39.94 FF% 51.83 537 SF 699 829 SA 665 39.31 SF% 51.25 61 GF 68 83 GA 63 42.36 GF% 51.91 51.75 xGF 64.26 79.88 xGA 60.73 39.31 xGF% 51.41 473 SCF 641 827 SCA 596 36.38 SCF% 51.82 196 HDCF 265 297 HDCA 253 39.76 HDCF% 51.16 33 HDGF 37 43 HDGA 36 43.42 HDGF% 50.68 277 MDCF 376 530 MDCA 343 34.32 MDCF% 52.29 16 MDGF 19 26 MDGA 12 38.10 MDGF% 61.29 408 LDCF 530 643 LDCA 514 38.82 LDCF% 50.77 5 LDGF 9 14 LDGA 14 26.32 LDGF% 39.13 11.36 On-Ice SH% 9.73 89.99 On-Ice SV% 90.53 1.013 PDO 1.003 180 Off. Zone Starts 188 307 Neu. Zone Starts 254 344 Def. Zone Starts 185 884 On The Fly Starts 924 34.35 Off. Zone Start % 50.40 331 Off. Zone Faceoffs 401 424 Neu. Zone Faceoffs 391 641 Def. Zone Faceoffs 414 34.05 Off. Zone Faceoff % 49.20 No NHL GM would choose Schmidt over Tanev. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Was Benning a double agent to ruin our team? I bet he was still getting paid by Boston. He could have easily traded for LTIR Luongo but never even returned the call? Wtf? Edited January 11 by Grandmaster 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, Grandmaster said: He could have easily traded for LTIR Luongo but never even returned the call? Wtf? Shoulda left a voicemail with a call back number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, Alflives said: No NHL GM would choose Schmidt over Tanev. The question is, is Schmidt worth $1.5 M more per year in value for one more year than what Tanev original settled for. Tanev - $4.5M x 4 years (to 2024) Scmhidt - $5.95M x 5 years (to 2025) Edited January 11 by DSVII 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 51 minutes ago, DSVII said: The question is, is Schmidt worth $1.5 M more per year in value for one more year than what Tanev original settled for. Tanev - $4.5M x 4 years (to 2024) Scmhidt - $5.95M x 5 years (to 2025) Not all players have success in every team or system. Look at how bad OEL was for us and how he is ok in Florida. I mean good riddance, he was killing us but good for him where he is at now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 10 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Umm… What?!! Lol this isnt even remotely comparable. Buddy it took Tanev nearly 10 years to play a full season. Mackinnon has had several injury free seasons AND he is a fucking elite talent. Tanev is not even in the same fuckin stratosphere. Oh, so they make the same money also… Think a bit before you take words as stratosphere into a text. MacKinnon has played three full seasons in NHL and Tanev one. So on this forum MacKinnon would be called injury prone. 10 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Go read the comparison chart I posted above. That is 2019-20. Schmidt was logging much bigger minutes than Tanev and far better in pretty much every facet. Wasn’t Schmidt paid 6 mill? He still didn’t fit the team where the team was. 10 hours ago, AnthonyG said: First off cup experience Pearson - check Holtby - check Markstom - X Toffoli - check Markstrom+Toffoli=10.25mil for 1 cup Pearson+Holtby= 7.55mil for 2 cups Markstrom = 6x6 Holtby = 4.3x2 Toffoli+Markstrom+flat cap+pending RFA negotiations = less cap space = fucked. Markstrom = 6 mil sieve sieve = back up back up = 6mil 6 mil back up = bad bad = no playoffs No playoffs = you wrong Also good luck finding a 20 goal scorer for under 1.5mil. Lol. Saying Pearson was overpaid by 2mil is out to lunch. Also a much better 2 way player than Toffoli….. how many times has Toffoli been traded now??? Ever think that maybe theres an issue with that player when MTL and CGY both moved him? I don’t know why you pick only a few players and compare them. Take the whole package and the salary they got. Tanev, Toffoli, Marky, Stecher. Then you take away OEL and Scmidt and add players a la Allvin and the team had reached playoffs ever since bubble run. 10 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Sportsnet 650 @Sportsnet650 · Follow #Canucks GM Jim Benning on appealing cap recapture penalty: "We talked to the league, the rules are there for a reason. There's not much we can do. We knew it might happen and we planned accordingly." 11:47 AM · Jun 27, 2019 Well, that isn’t information about if Luongo could have retired as Canuck. Where does it say that Benning spoke to the league about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It's hard to believe that "Some People" actually supported Benning! Dumber than a sack of pucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 1/5/2024 at 11:37 AM, Miss Korea said: Thank you Jim Lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The thing is, if all of this is true .. I remember Dale Tallon in a presser saying that Luongo was in such pain before some games that retiring him to his injuries was the right thing to do for both parties. Placing him on LTIR is what the League should have done.. and the NHLPA should have supported.. Open statements were made about his health and hindered abilities to play.. only a Doctors report should have been needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 19 hours ago, Grandmaster said: Not all players have success in every team or system. Look at how bad OEL was for us and how he is ok in Florida. I mean good riddance, he was killing us but good for him where he is at now. Goaltending is what killed us. OELs first season was solid defensively, but as you eluded to, not all players have the same success in a different system. Too many people believed he was brought in for his production, but he was never utilized or given the opportunity to produce unless Hughes was out or OEL was given PP2 time. OEL was also playing through injury in his 2nd season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 49 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Goaltending is what killed us. OELs first season was solid defensively, but as you eluded to, not all players have the same success in a different system. Too many people believed he was brought in for his production, but he was never utilized or given the opportunity to produce unless Hughes was out or OEL was given PP2 time. OEL was also playing through injury in his 2nd season. Wasn’t just his lack of offensive production. He was horrible defensively and slow as molasses. His -24 last season was too nice of a stat for him (doesn’t include the PK where it was an automatic goal against). He couldn’t defend whatsoever. Lost all the battles with other players and never saw any decent breakout passes. Anyways good for him to find a place in Florida. We’ve moved on to better things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 15 hours ago, LillStrimma said: Oh, so they make the same money also… Think a bit before you take words as stratosphere into a text. MacKinnon has played three full seasons in NHL and Tanev one. So on this forum MacKinnon would be called injury prone. I said drugs are bad once already… Mackinnon and Tanev making the same???? Are you serious dude? it took Tanev 6 years to get a 4.45mil x 4 year deal it took Mackinnon 3 years to get a 6.3mil x 7year deal Mackinnon just got extended for 12.6mil AAV Tanevs most recent extension was a 50k raise. Lmfao From 2013-14 onward Tanev has missed nearly 200 more games than Mackinnon. Its not just about who has more full seasons, its about who is healthier for longer stretches. out of 826 games Tanev has played 625 625/826=76% out of 823 games Mackinnon has played 751 751/823=91% Tanev is injury prone. He misses big chunks of time almost every season, but ya go on ahead and sign a guy who is going to miss basically 25% of the season every year and be broken down in playoffs. Mackinnon has played 126 more games. This isnt even close in comparison dude. Stop embarrassing yourself and think before you speak and for god sakes do a LITTLE teeny tiny bit of research while you’re at it. 15 hours ago, LillStrimma said: Wasn’t Schmidt paid 6 mill? He still didn’t fit the team where the team was. Yes he was basically 6mil You dont know for a fact he didnt fit the team 1) new players have to adapt to a new system and new pairings and adjust to tendencies. 2) we had our first team practice at game 13 of the season. Kinda hard to learn a system when you aren’t able to practice it 3) COVID destroyed our team 4) the scheduling for the first 18 games of the season was just as gruelling and taxing as the last 19 games after returning to play 18 games in 30 days vs 19 games in 30 days. 15 hours ago, LillStrimma said: I don’t know why you pick only a few players and compare them. Take the whole package and the salary they got. Tanev, Toffoli, Marky, Stecher. Then you take away OEL and Scmidt and add players a la Allvin and the team had reached playoffs ever since bubble run. I picked the players that everyone wants to cry about like yourself. Tanev and Toffoli. Fuck no to markstrom and stetcher. OEL was not in the same timeline. it was Schmidt over Tanev pearson over toffoli holtby over markstrom Schmidts numbers and availability to play most nights is why we took him over Tanev, plus his first pass and skating. Pearson is a slight cap savings in a frozen cap, plus a better 2 way player and not a liability like Toffoli Holtby added cup experience to have hang around Demko, 4 years less term and 1.7mil in cap savings. Benning went after lots of cup experience or deep playoff experienced players. To shelter the youth and learn and develop at the NHL level. 2020-21 is no ones fault other than maybe Gaudette allegedly, as to why we missed playoffs. Regardless we were the only team hit with COVID and shut down, lost our #1 player for over half the season AND had the absolute worst scheduling to start AND finish the season after being decimated by COVID 2021-22 we missed by 3 wins with nearly 0 roster changes. Pettersson was pointless in 24 of the first 40 games of the fucking season dude. I think we lost somewhere around 20 of those games in regulation. Imagine if Petey didnt cripple the top line, power play and net empty situation for 24 games. Probably most definitely absolutely 100% would have won a few more games and been a playoff team. 2022-23 Alllllllll goaltendings fault. Leagues worst goaltending. -55GSAA through our worst stretch up til Demko returned. Try some of these sites zenpool.dobbersports.com naturalstattrick.com hockey-reference.com and for the love of god capfriendly.com - you really need to use this before making comparisons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 18 minutes ago, Grandmaster said: Wasn’t just his lack of offensive production. He was horrible defensively and slow as molasses. His -24 last season was too nice of a stat for him (doesn’t include the PK where it was an automatic goal against). He couldn’t defend whatsoever. Lost all the battles with other players and never saw any decent breakout passes. Anyways good for him to find a place in Florida. We’ve moved on to better things. he was playing through injury dude. go look at the season prior. Where he was healthy. he and myers were a top 5 defensive shut down pair in the entire league naturalstatrick.com hockey-reference.com try some of these links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 29 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: I said drugs are bad once already… Mackinnon and Tanev making the same???? Are you serious dude? it took Tanev 6 years to get a 4.45mil x 4 year deal it took Mackinnon 3 years to get a 6.3mil x 7year deal Mackinnon just got extended for 12.6mil AAV Tanevs most recent extension was a 50k raise. Lmfao From 2013-14 onward Tanev has missed nearly 200 more games than Mackinnon. Its not just about who has more full seasons, its about who is healthier for longer stretches. out of 826 games Tanev has played 625 625/826=76% out of 823 games Mackinnon has played 751 751/823=91% Tanev is injury prone. He misses big chunks of time almost every season, but ya go on ahead and sign a guy who is going to miss basically 25% of the season every year and be broken down in playoffs. Mackinnon has played 126 more games. This isnt even close in comparison dude. Stop embarrassing yourself and think before you speak and for god sakes do a LITTLE teeny tiny bit of research while you’re at it. Yes he was basically 6mil You dont know for a fact he didnt fit the team 1) new players have to adapt to a new system and new pairings and adjust to tendencies. 2) we had our first team practice at game 13 of the season. Kinda hard to learn a system when you aren’t able to practice it 3) COVID destroyed our team 4) the scheduling for the first 18 games of the season was just as gruelling and taxing as the last 19 games after returning to play 18 games in 30 days vs 19 games in 30 days. I picked the players that everyone wants to cry about like yourself. Tanev and Toffoli. Fuck no to markstrom and stetcher. OEL was not in the same timeline. it was Schmidt over Tanev pearson over toffoli holtby over markstrom Schmidts numbers and availability to play most nights is why we took him over Tanev, plus his first pass and skating. Pearson is a slight cap savings in a frozen cap, plus a better 2 way player and not a liability like Toffoli Holtby added cup experience to have hang around Demko, 4 years less term and 1.7mil in cap savings. Benning went after lots of cup experience or deep playoff experienced players. To shelter the youth and learn and develop at the NHL level. 2020-21 is no ones fault other than maybe Gaudette allegedly, as to why we missed playoffs. Regardless we were the only team hit with COVID and shut down, lost our #1 player for over half the season AND had the absolute worst scheduling to start AND finish the season after being decimated by COVID 2021-22 we missed by 3 wins with nearly 0 roster changes. Pettersson was pointless in 24 of the first 40 games of the fucking season dude. I think we lost somewhere around 20 of those games in regulation. Imagine if Petey didnt cripple the top line, power play and net empty situation for 24 games. Probably most definitely absolutely 100% would have won a few more games and been a playoff team. 2022-23 Alllllllll goaltendings fault. Leagues worst goaltending. -55GSAA through our worst stretch up til Demko returned. Try some of these sites zenpool.dobbersports.com naturalstattrick.com hockey-reference.com and for the love of god capfriendly.com - you really need to use this before making comparisons You forget the team bonding Stecher, Marky and Tanev was a big piece of. Benning literally cut out the heart of the team. After that, if Petey had and hesitation lefter after how Dahlen was treated, Petey knew what it meant to be a NHL proffessional player. The heart is in the wallet for most in NHL and you prove it over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Isn't it also kind of a faux pas to force a player onto it though? The nhlpa wouldn't be happy hearing them approaching him to do so as it's technically a players' decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 29 minutes ago, LillStrimma said: You forget the team bonding Stecher, Marky and Tanev was a big piece of. Benning literally cut out the heart of the team. After that, if Petey had and hesitation lefter after how Dahlen was treated, Petey knew what it meant to be a NHL proffessional player. The heart is in the wallet for most in NHL and you prove it over and over. I do not need to know what kinda kinks you have, bondage is for the bedroom not the locker room. if thats your heart of the team, you have serious heart disease. You aint gunna last long. hows your heart been pumpin in Calgary? Or in Arizona? Both on life support 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings NHL R44 3 8 11 12 -13 -- -- -- -- -- 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings NHL 16 1 1 2 9 -6 -- -- -- -- -- 2021-22 Los Angeles Kings NHL 13 0 1 1 4 -1 4 2 2 4 0 2022-23 Arizona Coyotes NHL 61 0 7 7 29 -3 -- -- -- -- -- 2022-23 Calgary Flames NHL 20 3 4 7 15 -3 -- -- -- -- -- 2023-24 Arizona Coyotes NHL 38 1 3 4 Stetcher looks like he just whiffed a fart I cant believe you are fighting so hard to keep guys like Stetcher, Markstrom and Tanev around long term. With that kinda mindset the Canucks would never be a playoff team. Theres 1000000 other stetchers around the NHL/AHL/KHL theres probably 20-30 markstroms around the league and easily 20-30 more Tanevs Not hard to find, easy to replace and not a long term solution. Tanev is the one and only guy there should be some interest in and that is purely as a rental to go really deep in playoffs. Not a guy you want to invest in long term, we already have guys doing his job and we are a playoff bound team without any of those guys you are holding onto so dearly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 26 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: I do not need to know what kinda kinks you have, bondage is for the bedroom not the locker room. if thats your heart of the team, you have serious heart disease. You aint gunna last long. hows your heart been pumpin in Calgary? Or in Arizona? Both on life support 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings NHL R44 3 8 11 12 -13 -- -- -- -- -- 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings NHL 16 1 1 2 9 -6 -- -- -- -- -- 2021-22 Los Angeles Kings NHL 13 0 1 1 4 -1 4 2 2 4 0 2022-23 Arizona Coyotes NHL 61 0 7 7 29 -3 -- -- -- -- -- 2022-23 Calgary Flames NHL 20 3 4 7 15 -3 -- -- -- -- -- 2023-24 Arizona Coyotes NHL 38 1 3 4 Stetcher looks like he just whiffed a fart I cant believe you are fighting so hard to keep guys like Stetcher, Markstrom and Tanev around long term. With that kinda mindset the Canucks would never be a playoff team. Theres 1000000 other stetchers around the NHL/AHL/KHL theres probably 20-30 markstroms around the league and easily 20-30 more Tanevs Not hard to find, easy to replace and not a long term solution. Tanev is the one and only guy there should be some interest in and that is purely as a rental to go really deep in playoffs. Not a guy you want to invest in long term, we already have guys doing his job and we are a playoff bound team without any of those guys you are holding onto so dearly. I don’t fight hard for them. You just don’t understand what I’m talking about. With the Canucks Stecher fought hard. What he had here wasn’t replicated in another team. Marky and Tanev the same. They were very much liked by the team… They were part of the heart. That doesn’t mean that I fight hard for them. I think Benning was lousy as a GM that didn’t do better with the player he had and forced away from the club. No trades whatever, just tossed them away. If they are part of the heart and soul of the team they have to leave on resonable conditions. The way Benning treated them left the team with a bad taste in their mouth and a dark cloud over their souls. This isn’t something you can see in statistics unless you really know what to look after. You seem to only watch the shiny surface. For me the proof is that they missed playoff when they should have come out stronger after the bubble playoff. Benning made the team worse and it doesn’t matter if Scmidt or OEL was better players. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, LillStrimma said: I don’t fight hard for them. You just don’t understand what I’m talking about. With the Canucks Stecher fought hard. What he had here wasn’t replicated in another team. Marky and Tanev the same. They were very much liked by the team… They were part of the heart. That doesn’t mean that I fight hard for them. I think Benning was lousy as a GM that didn’t do better with the player he had and forced away from the club. No trades whatever, just tossed them away. If they are part of the heart and soul of the team they have to leave on resonable conditions. The way Benning treated them left the team with a bad taste in their mouth and a dark cloud over their souls. This isn’t something you can see in statistics unless you really know what to look after. You seem to only watch the shiny surface. For me the proof is that they missed playoff when they should have come out stronger after the bubble playoff. Benning made the team worse and it doesn’t matter if Scmidt or OEL was better players. Think of how many heart and soul guys refused to waive their NMC for Benning in the beginning. Or nixed a trade last minute. This is the business of the sport and something these athletes and people like you need to understand. You can be as much of a heart and soul guy as you want, but if you are not good enough, you cant just stay because you bleed Canuck colours. Hamhuis “heart and soul” refused to waive. That fucked us. We got nothing for him. Edler, same story Kesler - fucked Benning last second. COVID changed the landscape, we HAD to make tough choices in a VERY short time with an entirely uncertain future. Our pain was losing a few declining UFAs. That is the extent of our damage from COVIDs devastation. Our cap situation was handled well enough for us to not lose one single core piece, get everyone re-signed AND for PA to come in and add the supporting cast that has contributed to our success. If JB was so shitty at his job, we woulda signed Marky after that incredible season he had, we would have signed Tanev and Toffoli and had a much shittier team today. But he cut bait, avoided bad investments and right now we have a team largely in its prime and not primarily in its decline. reality check dude. The reality is COVID was an actual devastation to our roster to the point where it ended a guys career. No other team faced the same adversity in that season. There is to be zero expectation of playoffs and no reason to blame anyone for that season. once again Pettersson 24/40 games pointless. We missed playoffs by 3 fucking wins dude. Start using a bit of rationality. That was not the teams failure, Demko was vezina calibre, OEL and Myers were top 5 shut down pair lesgue wide, Miller 99pts hart and selke recognition, Hughes was 9th in norris voting. Petey was nowhere to be found. Use your head dude. last year petey miller and hughes were getting recognition. Demko did not. Goaltending is a huge issue if it aint going well. Demko went down and Martin stepped in and let everything in. this teams success is largely due to miller, pettersson, hughes, demko and boeser all playing to their level at the same time. Its the same fucking core just the real potential is showing itself because they are all doing it at the same time Edited January 12 by AnthonyG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 hours ago, AnthonyG said: he was playing through injury dude. go look at the season prior. Where he was healthy. he and myers were a top 5 defensive shut down pair in the entire league naturalstatrick.com hockey-reference.com try some of these links. His play was so terrible, if it was because of injury, then why play? He was a detriment to the team in a severe manner. I don’t buy it. RT knew what he had and realized this one couldn’t work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Grandmaster said: His play was so terrible, if it was because of injury, then why play? He was a detriment to the team in a severe manner. I don’t buy it. RT knew what he had and realized this one couldn’t work. Okay lets just think here…. 2021-22 OEL and Myers are a top 5 shutdown in the league 2022-23 OEL forgets how to play defence 2023-24 OEL wakes up and remembers how to play defence…. So you look at +/- and say OEL sucked because he was -24… I look at OEL’s goals against of 82 in all situations… and then I look at his expected goals against of 56 and say…. Our goalies fuckin sucked. thats 26 goals that every other goalie around the league is stopping. Dont jump to conclusions. Everyone should know by now that Spencer Martin sucked ass. also Boudreau and co were idiots to split OEL and Myers up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Okay lets just think here…. 2021-22 OEL and Myers are a top 5 shutdown in the league 2022-23 OEL forgets how to play defence 2023-24 OEL wakes up and remembers how to play defence…. So you look at +/- and say OEL sucked because he was -24… I look at OEL’s goals against of 82 in all situations… and then I look at his expected goals against of 56 and say…. Our goalies fuckin sucked. thats 26 goals that every other goalie around the league is stopping. Dont jump to conclusions. Everyone should know by now that Spencer Martin sucked ass. also Boudreau and co were idiots to split OEL and Myers up. Why don’t you give up on OEL. He wasn’t worth over 7 mill and we didn’t need an offensive LHD. We needed a top RHD and a Zad version LHD. OEL wasn’t a Zad. Benning messed up big time so leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, LillStrimma said: Why don’t you give up on OEL. He wasn’t worth over 7 mill and we didn’t need an offensive LHD. We needed a top RHD and a Zad version LHD. OEL wasn’t a Zad. Benning messed up big time so leave it. How cant you understand I’m defending OEL not JB. It aint rocket appliances bud. You are also the one who brought OEL lol. Maybe you should leave it alone? Lmao you are holding onto the loss of Stetcher, I cant take you seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, AnthonyG said: How cant you understand I’m defending OEL not JB. It aint rocket appliances bud. You are also the one who brought OEL lol. Maybe you should leave it alone? Lmao you are holding onto the loss of Stetcher, I cant take you seriously. Well, that’s because Stetcher revolves around something you clearly doesn’t understand. Even if we only talk about OEL he still wasn’t a fit for the team. How many players did Allvin pick up for the OEL money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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