Elias Pettersson Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 To Vancouver: Shane Pinto To Ottawa: 2025 or 2026 1st round pick Ottawa will be losing a 1st round pick because of the Dadonov fiasco. They have an option on when that pick will be, either 2024, 2025 or 2026. I am sure they will keep this year’s pick. So we can trade them our 1st round pick and they can have the option of it being either in 2025 or 2026 to match when they will lose their pick. I think this will be very attractive for them. They are in rebuild mode and might even be trading Chychrun, so getting another 1st round pick makes sense for them. Vancouver gets a 23 year old right shot centre who can play either as a 3C or a 2C or even as a right winger. Pinto is a versatile player. He would fit perfectly into the 2C role right now for the playoff run. Apparently he is in great shape as he had a few extra months off. he will be rusty so he can take the next 3 months to shake the rust off and be ready for the playoffs. Apparently Ottawa is going to be signing him to his qualifying offer of only $900k, so cap wise it works perfectly as well. He will be an RFA in the summer but since he’s been out half a season we probably don’t have to pay him much for next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Here we go... new day, new 2nd line C proposal. You're a meme at this point! Bear in mind he has already shown a willingness to play hardball in restricted free agency - Ottawa was in a tough cap spot and I'm expecting us to be in a similar situation this summer. If you think Pinto re-signs for $1M, and then gets a meagre extension here in Vancouver, that will mean he was a disappointment. If he actually does fit in as a 2C in the second half/playoffs, you have to pay the man. HIs next (next) contract will be determined by his performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Trading a golden egg for magic beans seems like a bad gamble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 7 hours ago, Miss Korea said: Here we go... new day, new 2nd line C proposal. You're a meme at this point! Bear in mind he has already shown a willingness to play hardball in restricted free agency - Ottawa was in a tough cap spot and I'm expecting us to be in a similar situation this summer. If you think Pinto re-signs for $1M, and then gets a meagre extension here in Vancouver, that will mean he was a disappointment. If he actually does fit in as a 2C in the second half/playoffs, you have to pay the man. HIs next (next) contract will be determined by his performance. Those cards are such baloney, with all due respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Trading a golden egg for magic beans seems like a bad gamble. I see what you did there.... but if we dont have to give anything back personel wise, this would work. Lets see what Ottawa gives him for a contract first though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Before the suspension Pinto was rumored to be looking for around 2.5 mill on his next contract. He will probably be even cheaper after the suspension. Find a way to make this happen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Maybe whe have had our 2nd line C all along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Vancouver: Shane Pinto To Ottawa: 2025 or 2026 1st round pick Ottawa will be losing a 1st round pick because of the Dadonov fiasco. They have an option on when that pick will be, either 2024, 2025 or 2026. I am sure they will keep this year’s pick. So we can trade them our 1st round pick and they can have the option of it being either in 2025 or 2026 to match when they will lose their pick. I think this will be very attractive for them. They are in rebuild mode and might even be trading Chychrun, so getting another 1st round pick makes sense for them. Vancouver gets a 23 year old right shot centre who can play either as a 3C or a 2C or even as a right winger. Pinto is a versatile player. He would fit perfectly into the 2C role right now for the playoff run. Apparently he is in great shape as he had a few extra months off. he will be rusty so he can take the next 3 months to shake the rust off and be ready for the playoffs. Apparently Ottawa is going to be signing him to his qualifying offer of only $900k, so cap wise it works perfectly as well. He will be an RFA in the summer but since he’s been out half a season we probably don’t have to pay him much for next season. 1. What would the new resulting line combinations with Pinto be? 2. Would you expect the presence of Pinto on a newly created second line to be a significant of secondary scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Since this thread is about the Senators and mentions Chychrun, I’m just thinking outloud here: Hughes-Hronek Chychrun-Soucy Cole-Zadorov Juulsen (Myers moved) Chychrun can play both sides (as can Hughes) and can help drive the puck up ice when the Hughes pairing is not on the ice. Chychrun can also move to the top pairing if one of Hughes/Hronek got injured and we wouldn’t miss a beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Odd. said: Those cards are such baloney, with all due respect. Yeah just total baloney 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 24 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said: 1. What would the new resulting line combinations with Pinto be? 2. Would you expect the presence of Pinto on a newly created second line to be a significant of secondary scoring? Pettersson Miller Boeser Kuzmenko Pinto Mikheyev Joshua Blueger Garland Hoglander Suter Lafferty Pinto is an upgrade on Suter. And it allows Suter to be our 4C which is where he can help us the most. Pinto is a good skater and strong on faceoffs. He is a shooter more than a set up man, so he should be able to score some goals. He's also a right shot so can play right wing as well. So if Petey goes back to playing centre then Pinto can be the shooter with him on the 2nd line as the right wing. Long term Pinto can be our 3C to replace Blueger. Blueger may not sign with us in the summer. Pinto may want $2.5 million, but Blueger may want even more as a UFA. So we'd have Pinot as our 3C and then Lekkerimaki steps in on the 2nd line. So our future lines would be: Mikheyev Miller Boeser Hoglander Pettersson Lekkerimaki Joshua Pinto Garland Podkolzin Raty Lafferty Bains We can then trade Kuzmenko for more help on defence, specifically a right shot Dman. We have Willander coming in, but we still need more help on the right side. We need a right shot Zadorov type IMO... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Pettersson Miller Boeser Kuzmenko Pinto Mikheyev Joshua Blueger Garland Hoglander Suter Lafferty Pinto is an upgrade on Suter. And it allows Suter to be our 4C which is where he can help us the most. Pinto is a good skater and strong on faceoffs. He is a shooter more than a set up man, so he should be able to score some goals. He's also a right shot so can play right wing as well. So if Petey goes back to playing centre then Pinto can be the shooter with him on the 2nd line as the right wing. Long term Pinto can be our 3C to replace Blueger. Blueger may not sign with us in the summer. Pinto may want $2.5 million, but Blueger may want even more as a UFA. So we'd have Pinot as our 3C and then Lekkerimaki steps in on the 2nd line. So our future lines would be: Mikheyev Miller Boeser Hoglander Pettersson Lekkerimaki Joshua Pinto Garland Podkolzin Raty Lafferty Bains We can then trade Kuzmenko for more help on defence, specifically a right shot Dman. We have Willander coming in, but we still need more help on the right side. We need a right shot Zadorov type IMO... Only thing is I think Pinto will want more than $2.5. He was a 20 goal scorer before his suspension. Likely more in the $3.5+ range I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 12 minutes ago, HKSR said: Only thing is I think Pinto will want more than $2.5. He was a 20 goal scorer before his suspension. Likely more in the $3.5+ range I think. I doubt he's getting $3.5 million after missing half a season. He's an RFA not a UFA. He'll take a one year show me deal and go from there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: I doubt he's getting $3.5 million after missing half a season. He's an RFA not a UFA. He'll take a one year show me deal and go from there... Depends a lot on how he plays this season. He will have half a season. If he puts up 10 goals and 18 to 20 points in the 40 games, wouldn't surprise me if he gets $3.5M+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: Depends a lot on how he plays this season. He will have half a season. If he puts up 10 goals and 18 to 20 points in the 40 games, wouldn't surprise me if he gets $3.5M+. Nobody is paying him $3.5 million for half a season of work. And I don't think he's dumb enough to hold out after what happened to him this season... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 We need a playmaking C. 15A in 82 games isn't enough. Kuzzy and Mik need to be fed the puck constantly Do like the fact he's a RHC and 22. Good proposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Nobody is paying him $3.5 million for half a season of work. And I don't think he's dumb enough to hold out after what happened to him this season... 1.5 seasons of work. It's not like he didn't play last year. He's a 6'3" 200lbs RH centre that is good on draws coming off 20 goals and 35 points. All he needs to do is come up with a similar performance over 40 games and plenty of teams will want him. He's only 23 years old. Edited January 13 by HKSR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I don't know why Ott would move Pinto, as their C depth is dismal. Shane has great potential, but still needs more development and game experience. I think they have the patience to groom into a top 6C, but it will take a while. On the other hand, if the Canucks could pick him up without losing too much in a trade, they do it. Again, Shane isn't going to help the Canucks in the short term, but he could turn into a core player later on. I believe the Canucks are looking at acquiring a player that can help them down the stretch and into the playoffs and Pinto is not that guy. Hopefully they will get a player in the 25/26yr range, without giving away the farm. I really hope they don't go for an expensive rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 How about Raty and a first for Pinto and a second in the year Ottowa uses the Canucks first.Gives the Sens a future center down the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Pettersson Miller Boeser Kuzmenko Pinto Mikheyev Joshua Blueger Garland Hoglander Suter Lafferty This is a good idea for the long-term in my opinion, however I don’t think he’s ready to be a second line centre this season and playoffs. Therefore, I would also trade for Henrique. Pettersson - Miller - Boeser Pinto - Henrique - Kuzmenko Joshua - Blueger - Garland Hoglander - Suter - Lafferty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Pettersson Miller Boeser Kuzmenko Pinto Mikheyev Joshua Blueger Garland Hoglander Suter Lafferty Pinto is an upgrade on Suter. And it allows Suter to be our 4C which is where he can help us the most. Pinto is a good skater and strong on faceoffs. He is a shooter more than a set up man, so he should be able to score some goals. He's also a right shot so can play right wing as well. So if Petey goes back to playing centre then Pinto can be the shooter with him on the 2nd line as the right wing. Long term Pinto can be our 3C to replace Blueger. Blueger may not sign with us in the summer. Pinto may want $2.5 million, but Blueger may want even more as a UFA. So we'd have Pinot as our 3C and then Lekkerimaki steps in on the 2nd line. So our future lines would be: Mikheyev Miller Boeser Hoglander Pettersson Lekkerimaki Joshua Pinto Garland Podkolzin Raty Lafferty Bains We can then trade Kuzmenko for more help on defence, specifically a right shot Dman. We have Willander coming in, but we still need more help on the right side. We need a right shot Zadorov type IMO... Pretty good thought process but my only concern is that Pinto’s lack of playmaking ability might not be a good fit for Kuzmenko and Mikheyev. To your point however, he’d be a nice option to have just in case we lose Bluegar next season. Pinto’s presence would also allow for Suter to go to a more ideally suited bottom 6 role (although I really like the chemistry that has developed between Hoglander-Aman-Lafferty). Aman has made a strong case to stay in the line-up. I think for me, I’m not sure if I see a huge need for an upgrade to the 2nd line. Yes, the Suter, Mikheyev, Kuzmenko line aren’t doing anything, but we’re getting consistent scoring from all our other lines. As long as the Lotto line remains in tact, our 2nd line seems like it will inevitably struggle with offense no matter who the center is. Hence, I’m not really sure if it’s worth trading a key prospect or high draft pick for such a piece. On the flip side, the Canucks’ back-end, as deep as it is, need a guy that can ensure that our top defensive pairing remains elite even if one of Hughes or Hronek goes down with injury. Can guys like Soucy, Cole, and Zadorov play with Hughes or Hronek? Absolutely. Would such a pairing be elite? I’m not so sure. Hence, the need for someone like Chychrun. For me, I’d honestly look at Chychrun over Pinto. Even though our 2nd line is a bit ‘useless’ right now, I think it provides us with good depth incase of injuries and can be split up when necessary (ie Kuzmenko or Mikheyev takes Boeser’s spot on the top line if Boeser gets injured, Miller and Pettersson can always anchor different lines if necessary, Suter can go back to the bottom 6 if there is an injury to Bluegar or someone else on the Bottom 6). Another thing to keep in mind is the fact that our closest NHl ready prospects on the farm are forwards right now (Raty, Podkolzin). And so come playoff time, these guys can fill in if there are injuries. Hirose as a bottom pairing defenseman as well. The ultimate point I’m making in this: The only area where the Canucks don’t seem to be well protected as far as injuries go, is if one of Hughes or Hronek gets injured since are other defensemen, as good as they are, are only #4 calibre defensemen at best. We don’t have that #3 guy that could really look good on a top pairing. Hence, why I believe that going after Chychrun (if we’re thinking Ottawa) would be better than Pinto. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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