HKSR Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, PureQuickness said: Pearson was not overpaid at all. He provided RELIABLE points for his pay. People were just expecting him to be a 40 or 50 goal scorer, which is unrealistic. Something to note about the Benning regime: Pearson and Dickinson are both doing well AWAY from the team. There was just something about how Benning assembled his team that didn't flow. Yes, keeping Green was a BIG mistake. Wait what? Who here expected Tanner Pearson to score 40 or 50 goals??!? Are you thinking of Toffoli maybe? Even then... 40 or 50 goals??? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribs Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Good for him - deserves the cash after putting up points and being relegated to a basement team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 51 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: Uh-oh. We're going to lose Joshua to free agency, aren't we? No meme... not impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: Uh-oh. We're going to lose Joshua to free agency, aren't we? Wouldn't surprise me, the cost of having a higher end season without winning a cup is guys wanting their bag 36 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Joshua and Blueger as well. Both will be wanting new contracts similar to this one... Wouldn't surprise me, management's done a good job thus far but it'll be interesting to see how they address any turnover that stems from the success they've helped build 33 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, which is why we need to kinda go for it this year. With 10 pending UFA's and RFA's I don't think we will have the same team next season... Doubt we have the same team, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, I think the team could be improved upon Just puts pressure on management to find deals, although having a successful season will help attract players It also puts pressure on management and the coaching staff being able to integrate cost effective ELC's/RFA's such as Raty Better to have to put up with the problems of a competitive team than those of a no man's land team though Edited January 16 by Coconuts 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reznor Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I'm happy for him. By all accounts, he's a great guy but his performance while in Vancouver left something to be desired. With that said, 4.25m a season is what you'd expect to pay a competent 2nd line player, and even with his 41 point pace and the best +/- on the team, and a decent year last season, he's not worth that. But hey - they are a cap floor team with no aspirations to become anything more any time soon, so good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) Wow, good for him. Quite a few guys who left the team and went on to find success over the past few years. Some combination of team building, maturity of the core, coaching and health that kept the last 2-3 seasons from finding any sustained success. Ill admit I lost a lot of faith before this season - but its validating to see our team’s success this year plus good play from even the guys we let go. Was nearly gaslit into thinking it well and truly was no hope for our team to turn it around. Edited January 16 by The Duke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, HKSR said: No meme... not impressed I mean... does anything come to your mind when you think about Jason Dickinson?? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Disgusting. Cheating Franchise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJCF96 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 They pay him for being a good leader/pro for the team (yes, Jim Benning use to do this all the time with the Canucks). The difference is, Dickinson has had 2 good seasons in Chicago, respected within the room and as the Blackhawks bring in the next wave of prospects/young players onto the team, Dickinson and Foglino will be the ones who show them the ropes on how to be a pro. Is this an overpayment? Absolutely. They need to overpay for these players to play on a rebuilding team for 2 years where there isn't going to be a lot of winning. But the Blackhawks have the cap space. Both Foglino and Dickinson's contract will come off the books the same season Bedard needs an extension after his ELC. Unlike Jim Benning, who signed 1-2 contracts like this every summer and give them more term on top of it. That being said, their GM can't sign anymore of these kinds of contracts in the UFA market. Having 2 of these contracts should be enough, if you start to pile them on, you become Jim Benning 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, AnthonyG said: Well… he was rebuilding, so its gunna have its headaches. Relating the struggles of a team rebuilding on guys like Pearson and Dickinson who werent given the same kind of opportunities like Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat and Miller isnt a fair way to gauge things. Im not shocked one bit hes scoring. Dickinson was tied for 1st with 7 rush attempts when he played in Van with 400 less minutes than the guys above him at 5v5. in all situations he had 8 rush attempts which was 3 behind Miller who was first on the team. I got chirped for pointing out Dickinson is getting/finding open areas and getting chances hes just snake bitten and thats with 60% dzone starts. also defensively he was one of our best forwards. Benning certainly doesn't deserve as much blame for sure. What I tried to highlight in the other post was that Benning identified certainly players that would MIGHT be good, but didn't manage the cap too well. Benning's core is certainly on display with Allvin's team (Boeser, Pettersson, Demko, Hughes, and so forth). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: Benning certainly doesn't deserve as much blame for sure. What I tried to highlight in the other post was that Benning identified certainly players that would MIGHT be good, but didn't manage the cap too well. Benning's core is certainly on display with Allvin's team (Boeser, Pettersson, Demko, Hughes, and so forth). Well he was also had a 2.5-6.5mil cap increase taken from him as well which made cap management very difficult out of nowhere. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-salary-cap-84-88-2-million-next-season/?sn-amp His cap management didnt cost us a single core player. His RFA negotiations were unreal. Hughes deal?? Demko? Horvat? Boeser? I mean shit we coulda moved Kuzmenko last TDL and got Hronek probably AND kept a true 2C. Imagine Kuzmenko out and Horvat in right now? Im sure would have found a way to make a little more cap space and get a deal done. Or get a discounted deal done from the captain. you might think im just saying this about Kuzmenko now because of how his season has unfolded… but if you go digging on the old forums I was quick to state i wasnt sold on him and right away his skating was my immediate concern. Tons of talent/skill, but a very inefficient stride/skater 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Its a fact (ok, it's my opinion ) that on crappy teams (which the Black Hawks are), *somebody* will get *some* points. On the Black Hawks, Dickon is such the player. In my opinion. He was good with the Stars. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 31 minutes ago, iinatcc said: He was good with the Stars. As a *winger* he was passable (a 20 something point forward - not something you'd pay $4+ million for imho). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, PureQuickness said: Pearson was not overpaid at all. He provided RELIABLE points for his pay. People were just expecting him to be a 40 or 50 goal scorer, which is unrealistic. Something to note about the Benning regime: Pearson and Dickinson are both doing well AWAY from the team. There was just something about how Benning assembled his team that didn't flow. Yes, keeping Green was a BIG mistake. I was expecting him to be a 20 goal guy, not a 40 or 50 goal scorer. He only hit 20 once in his time in Van, so that was disapointing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 @HKSR Jason D1Ckinson Best I can find 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Is this some sick joke? ... 4.25AAV... Jason Dickenson.. What alternate reality have I awoken in? Edited January 17 by Bobby Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 7 hours ago, Reznor said: I'm happy for him. By all accounts, he's a great guy but his performance while in Vancouver left something to be desired. With that said, 4.25m a season is what you'd expect to pay a competent 2nd line player, and even with his 41 point pace and the best +/- on the team, and a decent year last season, he's not worth that. But hey - they are a cap floor team with no aspirations to become anything more any time soon, so good for him. A competent 2nd liner will make more than 4.25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Miss Korea said: @HKSR Jason D1Ckinson Best I can find I'm disappointed my friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Dickie fell in a hole and came out with bags of cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: As a *winger* he was passable (a 20 something point forward - not something you'd pay $4+ million for imho). I agree on the money value but on he's actually closer to a 40 point player this season. Who knows he could have gotten those points if he stayed with Dalls. That said it does make me wonder what would Teddy Blueger's extension will be next season. With Dickinson's extension he will be asking for a similar contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 17 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, which is why we need to kinda go for it this year. With 10 pending UFA's and RFA's I don't think we will have the same team next season... Exactly, as we said at the start of the season, where people wanted to continue building and go for it in 2-3 years time... Not a huge surprise that players doing well want to see cash... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reznor Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 hours ago, Metal Face Doom said: A competent 2nd liner will make more than 4.25. . Ok... yeah, maybe. But his 41 projected points is nowhere near 2nd line production (which in 22-22 was between 63-74 points.) So even with his so-far successful season, he's solidly a 3rd liner, and only recently. 4.25m is a lot to pay. (Though to be fair, we're paying Garland even more as our own third liner. But I think we can all agree that isn't ideal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Re: Dickinson the AAV price might be high but 2 years is a palatable term. I don’t think there’s a real problem overpaying in AAV during down years to keep vets around, but you need to keep the term short to maintain flexibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 22 hours ago, MidKnight Ego said: No... Do the math... Imagine seeing yourself being wrong and doubling down because you can't admit that you're wrong. The numbers VISUALLY should tell you that your original point was incorrect. PERIOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Reznor said: . Ok... yeah, maybe. But his 41 projected points is nowhere near 2nd line production (which in 22-22 was between 63-74 points.) So even with his so-far successful season, he's solidly a 3rd liner, and only recently. 4.25m is a lot to pay. (Though to be fair, we're paying Garland even more as our own third liner. But I think we can all agree that isn't ideal) I agree. I'm just focusing on the 4.25. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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