Randy Marsh Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 10 minutes ago, coolboarder said: Well, they got a Russian coach in Gonchar. If he hears something odd, he would say something. I doubt it was him. I think that Kuz is haivng a difficulty getting his mojo back from last season and he should have not gone to Bali but rather working on his stuff. I think he is taking NHL for granted after his stellar first year in the NHL. I am thinking that he is learning a hard lesson and will work on his conditioning this summer for sure if he wants to stay in NHL rather than going back to KHL. Kuzy 28 years old. Played his whole career in the KHL where all they ever asked of him is "score goal." But there's more to the NHL game than that. He still needs to master the fundamentals; the "non-negotiables." And that's on Kuzy to figure out if he wants to stick. Same as everyone else on the team. Edited January 19 by Randy Marsh 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, Rekker said: PK? Maybe this also? 2g +1a more than Kuz and +5 vs even same ATOI $750,000 less salary 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Maybe this also? 2g +1a more than Kuz and +5 vs even same ATOI $750,000 less salary 5 seasons that are more than respectable as an NHL'er. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 minutes ago, Randy Marsh said: Kuzy 28 years old. Played his whole career in the KHL where all they ever asked of him is "score goal." But there's more to the NHL game than that. He still needs to master the fundamentals; the "non-negotiables." And that's on Kuzy to figure out if he wants to stick. Same as everyone else on the team. Yup, if everyone has agreed that it's unacceptable to make risky cross ice passes in your own end and he goes and does that he has to be held accountable or the whole system and trust falls apart. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 JT is gonna have his work cut out defending against Matthews on Sat. That guy scored a hatty and an apple tonight. Good work by everyone on the team except for the second line. Ugh those guys are so frustrating, especially Kuzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yup, if everyone has agreed that it's unacceptable to make risky cross ice passes in your own end and he goes and does that he has to be held accountable or the whole system and trust falls apart. indeed. And as Tocc said some guys get more rope than others--- you earn trust with more consistent play, and Kuz has yet to really do that. And then when he finally gets his shot, the only consistency he's often shown is being a consistent liability. It sucks. Love the guy but.. is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 31 minutes ago, Grandmaster said: JT is gonna have his work cut out defending against Matthews on Sat. That guy scored a hatty and an apple tonight. Good work by everyone on the team except for the second line. Ugh those guys are so frustrating, especially Kuzy. I think at this point it’s fair to call them the 3rd line. Joshua- Bluegar-Garland is the 2nd line imo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 back to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 YEA!!! And I loved that Ryan and the Whose Line crew made reference to the Canucks a few times. Felt right. Gotta go get caught up now. Love our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordekai Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Canucks play a structured and predictable game. Kuzy isn’t going to the right place when he doesn’t have the puck and confuses his linemates up when he does that. On top of that he is giving pucks away and doing behind passes that turnover on offence chances. On pp coach talks about attacking but when kuzy has the puck he doesn’t try to score instead stick handles for a second then passes back to Quinn or JT. All advantage is lost when he does that. He won’t be in the leafs game with tonight’s effort 100% guaranteed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Randy Marsh said: Kuzy 28 years old. Played his whole career in the KHL where all they ever asked of him is "score goal." But there's more to the NHL game than that. He still needs to master the fundamentals; the "non-negotiables." And that's on Kuzy to figure out if he wants to stick. Same as everyone else on the team. If u ever watched a khl game. That's a dirty league, they whack sticks at ur knees mid game uncalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRaj91 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) The thing is if you trade Kuz, he's probably going to be a regular 70-80 point guy. He's legit just not a Tocchet player and when the coach has 0 faith in you, you essentially end up playing scared. Tough situation for the guy, he's still a player that has all-star potential in my eyes. Edited January 19 by KingRaj91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: @stawns I don't deny that his value may be lowered but I find it understandable. We had no clue how the season was going to play out so dealing him in the summer was not a real error. During the season he has gotten lost in the winning. It happens. Sure, it probably would have been better to deal him earlier but it is what it is. Sometimes players just don't perform as expected. We should still get something for him. Cap space is enough really...still king this year as we've already seen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, stawns said: Then it's on the coaching staff and front office for either not being honest or not communicating how they felt about Kuz in the off season. Obviously Tocchet doesn't like his style of play and that was clear last season even. They should have been honest with themselves and moved him in the off season. It's no secret who kuz is.......you're either ok with that of you move him. You don't sit him in the press box or staple his ass to the bench endlessly. They've completely destroyed any value he had And raised the value of 80% of the team, some by a lot to the point where it's going to be hard to fit them all in next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Out of the numerous trades Alvin has made I'm trying to think of any that have been bad. Not to mention Hronek and Kuzy who was a signing. 1. Lafferty 2. DeSmith 3. Bluegar 4. Zadorov 5. Soucy 6. Cole 7. Zadorov 8. Suter 9. Joshua 10. Aman 11. Mikheyev. I'd have to say Mikheyev hasn't looked nearly as fast as he was before his injury. I haven't seen Tocchet use his speed, but maybe he's just not fast anymore. Other than that all the other trades have been solid to great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, Grandmaster said: JT is gonna have his work cut out defending against Matthews on Sat. That guy scored a hatty and an apple tonight. Good work by everyone on the team except for the second line. Ugh those guys are so frustrating, especially Kuzy. Trade the Russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Mordekai said: Canucks play a structured and predictable game. Kuzy isn’t going to the right place when he doesn’t have the puck and confuses his linemates up when he does that. On top of that he is giving pucks away and doing behind passes that turnover on offence chances. On pp coach talks about attacking but when kuzy has the puck he doesn’t try to score instead stick handles for a second then passes back to Quinn or JT. All advantage is lost when he does that. He won’t be in the leafs game with tonight’s effort 100% guaranteed Tocchet on Kuzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The Canucks are so much better with Zadorov in the line up than they are with Beauvillier. From Horvat to Pearson to Beauvillier every move Alvin has made has been needed for the Canucks to be where they currently are. Genius Pro scouting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Grandmaster said: Ugh those guys are so frustrating, especially Kuzy. He had a bad game, I guess? I didn't catch the game tonight, someone tell me why was that entire second line bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: The Canucks are so much better with Zadorov in the line up than they are with Beauvillier. From Horvat to Pearson to Beauvillier every move Alvin has made has been needed for the Canucks to be where they currently are. Genius Pro scouting Which is why they probably need to bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Pure961089 said: Out of the numerous trades Alvin has made I'm trying to think of any that have been bad. Not to mention Hronek and Kuzy who was a signing. 1. Lafferty 2. DeSmith 3. Bluegar 4. Zadorov 5. Soucy 6. Cole 7. Zadorov 8. Suter 9. Joshua 10. Aman 11. Mikheyev. I'd have to say Mikheyev hasn't looked nearly as fast as he was before his injury. I haven't seen Tocchet use his speed, but maybe he's just not fast anymore. Other than that all the other trades have been solid to great. Imagine having a competent GM.... Benning was totally incompetent at his job. I'm surprised that he survived as long as he did in his role at the NHL level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, N4ZZY said: Imagine having a competent GM.... Benning was totally incompetent at his job. I'm surprised that he survived as long as he did in his role at the NHL level. New management encourages their scouts to do their jobs, and we see the great results. Benning/Brod silenced any voices that didn’t echo their ideas. Hence a big mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Zadorov on tonight’s feistiness: “Some teams want to challenge us but we’re ready to go. Guy is challenging the whole bench so someone’s got to take the fight” We totally needed this. WTG Big Z Edited January 19 by Hairy Kneel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barnstorm Posted January 19 Popular Post Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, Pure961089 said: Out of the numerous trades Alvin has made I'm trying to think of any that have been bad. Not to mention Hronek and Kuzy who was a signing. 1. Lafferty 2. DeSmith 3. Bluegar 4. Zadorov 5. Soucy 6. Cole 7. Zadorov 8. Suter 9. Joshua 10. Aman 11. Mikheyev. I'd have to say Mikheyev hasn't looked nearly as fast as he was before his injury. I haven't seen Tocchet use his speed, but maybe he's just not fast anymore. Other than that all the other trades have been solid to great. Acquiring ‘Big Zadorov’ was a shrewd move on Allvins part. Securing his brother ‘Bigger Zadorov’ was absolute genius. Who would have thought we’de end up with the elusive Zadorov brothers playing on our team this year? Big and Bigger! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Pure961089 said: Out of the numerous trades Alvin has made I'm trying to think of any that have been bad. Not to mention Hronek and Kuzy who was a signing. 1. Lafferty 2. DeSmith 3. Bluegar 4. Zadorov 5. Soucy 6. Cole 7. Zadorov 8. Suter 9. Joshua 10. Aman 11. Mikheyev. I'd have to say Mikheyev hasn't looked nearly as fast as he was before his injury. I haven't seen Tocchet use his speed, but maybe he's just not fast anymore. Other than that all the other trades have been solid to great. I think you missed zadorov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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