PGT - Canucks Win- Leaves Fall 2024-01-20

[CanucksJay]

13 hours ago, -Buzzsaw- said:

So this game was very much like a Playoff game.... lots of intensity and lots of physicality.

 

And having Big Z and a physical D paid dividends.

 

The Leafs forwards were NOT able to dominate our team physically... and hammer the D.  

 

Every time they tried to do that, they got dumped on their a$$.

 

This is why we needed  these additions...

 

Yes, the scoring is important, yes, having a dominant third line is important, but the fact we are now one of the hardest teams to play against in the D-Zone is a result of management upping the size of the team by a factor of about 2.

 

Yes, you want the skilled offensive D-Men, and they can be smaller guys, IF you also have a core of big D to back them up.

 

I thought Big Z and his hits, as well as Soucy, Cole and Myers hits were sending a message all night... don't try to overpower us, you'll get beat down.

 

Leafs 2nd, 3rd, 4th lines tried to out muscle us, but they failed.  (Marner line never plays really physical... neither him or Matthews likes that game)

 

And on the other end of the ice, our guys, athough we are not necessarily the biggest set of forwards overall, were more effective in the forecheck.

 

The only time we really got into trouble is when we started to turn over the puck to them and let their skilled guys skate in the D-Zone.... need to break that up with hits more.  And not hand the puck back to them... we have to take the puck down into their zone.

 

Overall I think this game was a real learning experience for the team... if they can play with this level in the playoffs, then maybe they can win some rounds. 

 

This. 

Yesterday showed what big strong d men can do. 

I loved that scene where they caught big Z yelling at their bench. 

And then Tyler Myers headlocking Reilly while throwing pinches at Tavares was awesome. 

I thought Cole had a really good game too. 

In fact the entire D did. 

Also helps that all our big guys can also skate well. The fact Cole is our slowest guy speaks volumes because his speed is average. 

A couple of unfortunate long range goals. 

Myers screen on a long shot from Nylander and the other Nylander shot that was tipped were both scored when Leafs had nothing going on in our zone... 

Score could have been 6-2 if those didn't go in. 

Leafs are a good team and did pressure and play with speed. I thought they brought their A game but we are just better. 

Suter had a couple of grade A chances. He had the scoring touch before he got injured. Hopefully he gets one and then it starts going in for him. 

Also curious to hear what Kuz was saying to Joshua. Team seems tight. 

 

[CanucksJay]

13 hours ago, HKSR said:

That wasn't pretty at all... if Demko wasn't playing like superman, it would have been a lot different.  I'm sure Tocchet wouldn't be happy with getting outshot 19 to 6 in the 3rd considering the PPs the Canucks had.

I don't think that's true.

Demko played well in the first and the 3rd

Thought he wasn't very good in the 2nd and was partly responsible for giving Leafs second life. 

Good thing he was able to Mentally overcome it and come out with a solid 3rd period. 

Yes the 2 Nylander goals had some issues (screen and a deflection) but those were savable if the goalie was sharper and more alert before the shot was taken. 

Like the first goal. If he was fighting to see the puck, he prob could have seen it coming but he didn't think Nylander would shoot from there so he was waiting for the screen to clear. 

2nd Nylander goal, even the broadcast was saying he needs to make that save despite the deflection. 

Demko was also responsible for going into a bit of a lull up 3-0 and maybe if he made those 2 saves, Leafs wouldn't even have had a chance to come back. 

Anyway, he was aweomae when we needed him to be. So was the entire team. I thought they were good when they needed to be. 

[spook007]

1 hour ago, CanuckMan said:

We got 2 Tyler Bertuzzi’s on our team in Kuz & Mikheyev 19 & 22 points each 5 & 5.5 mil each.

Last year we said the same about Garland.... haven't we learned anything?

[tas]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

 

I'm curious about that too.  Is he the new Tanev?

seems like it would be wise to platoon him with the old tanev, just in case. 

[Blue]

I listened to some Leafs post game talk. They said "huh, Canucks aren't that good. Not Oilers good"

 

JD Spunkis said this 

[CanucksJay]

Lastly, Hogz 2 goals and Garly 2 goals. 

Thats 4 from our bottom 6.

2 goals from our top 6 both on the PP. 

We need them to be better 5v5

Boeser Petterson Miller all minus 2

 

[tas]

5 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Last year we said the same about Garland.... haven't we learned anything?

this is a nice opportunity for me to acknowledge the one thing I'll happily eat crow on this year and that's conor garland. I hadn't been impressed with him at all as a canuck, even though he had some success that first year I felt the frustration outweighed it, but he has really bought in and turned it around and taken control of that line. 

 

I'm now a conor garland appreciator. 

 

the players on this team have finally found roles, the first time since 2011. 

[tas]

1 minute ago, Blue said:

I listened to some Leafs post game talk. They said "huh, Canucks aren't that good. Not Oilers good"

 

JD Spunkis said this 

they didn't get the canucks A game in either outing this year, unfortunately. 

 

luckily the canucks B- game was still enough to beat the leafs. 

[Ghostsof1915]

Given the disaster of last season. I'm not surprised we still have defensive issues. The team needs to learn how to lock things down. Basically keep the pressure on the attack while still being smart defensively.

[Kragar]

8 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Wonder how long before Shanny and Brad are shown the door.

 

The funny thing anyone could have told them the Leafs are a top heavy team. Trade Nylander and get a centre prospect, a defensive prospect and a pick.

But oh no.....

 

No matter how much cap space they have in the offseason. That team is screwed.

Yep.  I don't like Keefe, but that may just only come down to my general Leaf hatred.  But if Shanny and Brad don't shake things up, Shanny at the least should be done.

 

It's gonna be hard to fix though, since every skater with an AAV over 2M has either an NMC or some kind of NTC and those with expiring contracts are producing 2nd line numbers for them.  Damn, does TO management think that Gillis was an outright genius???

[Johnny]

8 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

I hear you. 
 

However, Myers may have cost us a goal this night. 
 

Myers has cost us many goals previously. 
 

Personally, and I don’t need anyone to agree with me, i truly believe he will cost the team when it really matters, in the playoffs. 
 

I don’t trust Myers as a reliable Dman. 
 

Enough is enough. 

Are you aware that Myers starts 66% of the time in the Dzone while only having a corsi against at 58% while being a +13 

 

while having massive dzone starts (only behind zadorov) his 5v5 on ice goals for is 2.6/60 while his on ice goals against is 2.1/60

 

he is primarily used in a defensive role and is coming out on top

Zadorov is sitting with very comparable advanced stats though he has more take aways than myers he has roughly the same amount of give aways. More hits but less points and shot blocks

 

Do some research and drop the Tyler Myers is gonna ruin this team mantra, its tired

Edited January 21 by Johnny

[Blue]

2 minutes ago, tas said:

they didn't get the canucks A game in either outing this year, unfortunately. 

 

luckily the canucks B- game was still enough to beat the leafs. 

The Canucks got goals every time they needed them. Its rather rich to bash a team that beats you 6/4.

 

But I'm glad there's still salty disbelievers out there. 

[Ghostsof1915]

2 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Yep.  I don't like Keefe, but that may just only come down to my general Leaf hatred.  But if Shanny and Brad don't shake things up, Shanny at the least should be done.

 

It's gonna be hard to fix though, since every skater with an AAV over 2M has either an NMC or some kind of NTC and those with expiring contracts are producing 2nd line numbers for them.  Damn, does TO management think that Gillis was an outright genius???

There's lot of posters on here that insist Gillis was an outright genius. 

[CanucksJay]

7 minutes ago, Blue said:

I listened to some Leafs post game talk. They said "huh, Canucks aren't that good. Not Oilers good"

 

JD Spunkis said this 

JD Spunkis sounds like a loser. Loser name for a loser guy. 

I would love a matchup against the new and improved oilers

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Given the disaster of last season. I'm not surprised we still have defensive issues. The team needs to learn how to lock things down. Basically keep the pressure on the attack while still being smart defensively.

 

TO got away with a lot of borderline interference in the 2nd too 

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, Blue said:

The Canucks got goals every time they needed them. Its rather rich to bash a team that beats you 6/4.

 

But I'm glad there's still salty disbelievers out there. 

I was really surprised that Steve Dangle in between having a panic attack about the makeup of the Leafs team. Heaped a lot of praise on Vancouver players.

While calling out Leaf players.

[Malibu]

7 minutes ago, tas said:

this is a nice opportunity for me to acknowledge the one thing I'll happily eat crow on this year and that's conor garland. I hadn't been impressed with him at all as a canuck, even though he had some success that first year I felt the frustration outweighed it, but he has really bought in and turned it around and taken control of that line. 

 

I'm now a conor garland appreciator. 

 

the players on this team have finally found roles, the first time since 2011. 

I wondering about Zadorov, but he looks like a big game player to me now.

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, CanucksJay said:

JD Spunkis sounds like a loser. Loser name for a loser guy. 

I would love a matchup against the new and improved oilers

 

"Spunkis"?

 

[Kragar]

Just now, Johnny said:

Are you aware that Myers starts 66% of the time in the Dzone while only having a corsi against at 58% while being a +13 

 

while having massive dzone starts (only behind zadorov) his 5v5 on ice goals for is 2.6 while his on ice goals against is 2.1

 

he is primarily used in a defensive role and is coming out on top

Zadorov is sitting with very comparable advanced stats though he has more take aways than myers he has roughly the same amount of give aways. More hits but less points and shot blocks

 

Do some research and drop the Tyler Myers is gonna ruin this team mantra, its tired

Well said.  Sure, he wasn't perfect last night, but the coaching staff has him seeing the light and his game has turned around nicely.  While his departure at the end of the season seemed inevitable, and somewhat surprisingly he was still here after his signing bonus kicked in this year, he has performed well.  Be interesting to see if he takes a pay cut to stay, to help make up for all the bad years where he was well overpaid.

[CanucksJay]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

TO got away with a lot of borderline interference in the 2nd too 

 

There definitely was some game management for sure. 

When game started, canucks were all over the leafs. 

I think it's only natural to let up with a 3-0 lead. 

As a fan, I wanted them to keep going until they hit 10 goals but that's not very realistic when you play a good team. 

Important thing is, we pulled out the win and built more confidence that if we play hard and tenacious like the first period, we are better than the other team. 

I believe that's how we will be playing during playoffs

 

 

[Jester13]

44 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

 

This. 

Yesterday showed what big strong d men can do. 

I loved that scene where they caught big Z yelling at their bench. 

And then Tyler Myers headlocking Reilly while throwing pinches at Tavares was awesome. 

I thought Cole had a really good game too. 

In fact the entire D did. 

Also helps that all our big guys can also skate well. The fact Cole is our slowest guy speaks volumes because his speed is average. 

A couple of unfortunate long range goals. 

Myers screen on a long shot from Nylander and the other Nylander shot that was tipped were both scored when Leafs had nothing going on in our zone... 

Score could have been 6-2 if those didn't go in. 

Leafs are a good team and did pressure and play with speed. I thought they brought their A game but we are just better. 

Suter had a couple of grade A chances. He had the scoring touch before he got injured. Hopefully he gets one and then it starts going in for him. 

Also curious to hear what Kuz was saying to Joshua. Team seems tight. 

 

That Kuzy Joshua moment hit me differently. I saw it as a moment of heated intensity, and Kuzy was making jokes on the bench, ostensibly hiding it from the coaches. Joshua looked like he was focused and Kuzy was interrupting that focus with ill-timed joking. To me, it wasn't the time to be fooling around. 

[Kragar]

2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

There's lot of posters on here that insist Gillis was an outright genius. 

True.  It was fun while it was going on, but sooner or later those No Move/No Trade clauses will come back to bite ya when they make up the majority of the team.

 

And, TO hasn't even had the playoff success Gillis had since Shanny came aboard, and he's been around almost twice as long as Gillis was.

[coho8888]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

We won! Our won’t make excuses. They aren’t whiners like Dahlin. 
As fans we will. The club is still recovering from the 7 games in 10 days in 10 different rinks road trip. They had not jump in their first game back, but still knew how to win. Their legs died in Period two last night, but still knew how to win. 
We are a great club. Accept that fact.

Now Bow to the Empties. 

I usually just listen to and trust the coach’s assessment during his post game interviews rather than posters on this board.  SOG don’t necessarily equate to poor play.  The laffs are built for offense and being down 3 zip they will push back.  We did a great job of keeping most of their shots on the perimeter.  The only negative I saw was the time of possession for our top line 5 on 5.  That’s the area we need to watch as we generated very little in the way of offense for the last 2 periods.  

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

 

There definitely was some game management for sure. 

When game started, canucks were all over the leafs. 

I think it's only natural to let up with a 3-0 lead. 

As a fan, I wanted them to keep going until they hit 10 goals but that's not very realistic when you play a good team. 

Important thing is, we pulled out the win and built more confidence that if we play hard and tenacious like the first period, we are better than the other team. 

I believe that's how we will be playing during playoffs

 

 

 

There won't be any letting up in the playoffs, unless they want to learn the hard way.

[spook007]

Too bad we won't meet Leafs during the playoffs...

 

We would use the first 2 games to destroy them physically, and then just blow them away... I would guess in 5 maybe 6, but last night showed they couldn't handle it, when the boys became physical... even with a few weak calls... just made it even better, that we didn't win because of the referees...

 

Seeing an $11.5M dollars contract handed out to Nylander makes me shake my head... 

 

For all the debate about, how Tocchet deals with Kuzmenko, have a look at Nylander that soft weenie, on the third of the Canucks goals... He was almost trying not to get hit, instead of blocking the shot... 

 

Thank god Tocchet is learning/forcing Kuz to play the right way... It's all good and dandy to see players score goals, but if they can defend a fish supper, what's the point. Nylander with 61 points and only a +3...

 

Leafs are sinking.... and we get front row seat to watch